The universe is not ruled (only) by Maths.
We would know everything otherwise.
We would know everything otherwise.
I'm not going to start a religious dispute now.
Math may be universal but without a unified theory we do not have the correct math.
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The universe is not ruled (only) by Maths.
We would know everything otherwise.
We would know everything otherwise.
I'm not going to start a religious dispute now.
disagree, you can't exclude an alien/meta-math come in existence anytime, able to break even your 'current here and now knowledge level'.
even with close to zero probability you can't give a serious 100% this happen never guarantee. here you have your 100% again.
I doubt aliens can hack anything that is mathematically proven to be 100% secure. Math is universal.even with close to zero probability you can't give a serious 100% this happen never guarantee. here you have your 100% again.
The universe is not ruled (only) by Maths.
We would know everything otherwise.
disagree, you can't exclude an alien/meta-math come in existence anytime, able to break even your 'current here and now knowledge level'.
even with close to zero probability you can't give a serious 100% this happen never guarantee. here you have your 100% again.
even with close to zero probability you can't give a serious 100% this happen never guarantee. here you have your 100% again.
I doubt aliens can hack anything that is mathematically proven to be 100% secure. Math is universal.
Alright, let's get back to brainstorming.
So far we have :
- encrypted email
- encrypted message
- storage
- nano payment
What about decentralized social networking ? Decentralized identity ?
Synereo?
Alright, let's get back to brainstorming.
So far we have :
- encrypted email
- encrypted message
- storage
- nano payment
What about decentralized social networking ? Decentralized identity ?
No need to just focus on the decentral and encrypted nature, pay per second streaming is another really good potential
100% is an illusion
I disagree. One-time pad seeded with message digest gives 100% unbreakable encryption.
disagree, you can't exclude an alien/meta-math come in existence anytime, able to break even your 'current here and now knowledge level'.
even with close to zero probability you can't give a serious 100% this happen never guarantee. here you have your 100% again.
100% is an illusion
I disagree. One-time pad seeded with message digest gives 100% unbreakable encryption.
100% is an illusion, nothing is 100% if your resolution is high enough.
an asymptotically nearing, granted but mother nature shows us every day,
that 'good enough to work' is sufficient and probably also the optimum
to run everything.
however, would be nice to see something like the com-wallet hybrid
i mentioned before.
so it's better to skip very usefull things due to 0.1% uncertainty?
nonsens, this argument is very crypto centric and economical also unwise.
ethereum for instance is great and i have to admit that these guys are very good in reaching the external
market but for real nano payments ethereum fees are to expensive. iota could shine here but for this it is
necessary to throw the 100% claim on everything over board.
it's much more simple. things has to work for it's usage scenario. they don't have to be perfect.
this 100% claim is a weak point within the whole cryptosphere and prevents mass market adaption.
nonsens, this argument is very crypto centric and economical also unwise.
ethereum for instance is great and i have to admit that these guys are very good in reaching the external
market but for real nano payments ethereum fees are to expensive. iota could shine here but for this it is
necessary to throw the 100% claim on everything over board.
it's much more simple. things has to work for it's usage scenario. they don't have to be perfect.
this 100% claim is a weak point within the whole cryptosphere and prevents mass market adaption.
I think it all depends on what market is targetted. I'll create a 100% QC-proof solution, someone could adapt it for "casual" markets.
so it's better to skip very usefull things due to 0.1% uncertainty?
nonsens, this argument is very crypto centric and economical also unwise.
nonsens, this argument is very crypto centric and economical also unwise.
I think nexern brought out a very important issue for all cryptos here. That is how a crypto reach out the business and industry instead of waiting for the business and industry to reach to the crypto. There are many hurdles between these two worlds. Egos and business expertise are among them.
Crypto devs/experts have lots of egos among themselves. They tend to think the business and industry have to come to us because we are better. It could be true eventually. But when they eventually come to cyrptos, they may not come to your cryptos. They will do whatever can maximize their profit because it is their ultimate goal and motivation. What is driving them is not the ideology
I think business expertise is the second biggest hurdle. Business is another area of study and it needs equal talents to be good at this area. Usually the experts in the crypto world lack this kind business expertise. Whoever master both or a team with both skills will create great business and enterprise as we can see in the history.
quantum resistance isn't needed for a service like this. the goal here is a different one.
I disagree, if messages will be decrypted in 10 years then you can't use such service for some confidential communications.
Same here, if you don't want a message to be decrypted by someone else now, why would you take the risk that someone decrypt it in 1, 2, 5 or 10 years ?
a service like this isn't designed for confidential communication, same as e.g whatsapp. it just need todo the job for what it is designed for.
if you need quantum resistant communication create a tool, doing exactly this. different pairs of shoes.
Added:
just some mental gym, would IOTA benefit if e.g. whatsapp would decide tomorrow to include an IOTA payment gateway for microservices?
would this spread the usage of IOTA and increase outside awareness? what would be the disadvantage?
quantum resistance isn't needed for a service like this. the goal here is a different one.
I disagree, if messages will be decrypted in 10 years then you can't use such service for some confidential communications.
so it's better to skip very usefull things due to 0.1% uncertainty?
nonsens, this argument is very crypto centric and economical also unwise.
ethereum for instance is great and i have to admit that these guys are very good in reaching the external
market but for real nano payments ethereum fees are to expensive. iota could shine here but for this it is
necessary to throw the 100% claim on everything over board.
it's much more simple. things has to work for it's usage scenario. they don't have to be perfect.
this 100% claim is a weak point within the whole cryptosphere and prevents mass market adaption.
quantum resistance isn't needed for a service like this. the goal here is a different one.
I disagree, if messages will be decrypted in 10 years then you can't use such service for some confidential communications.
Same here, if you don't want a message to be decrypted by someone else now, why would you take the risk that someone decrypt it in 1, 2, 5 or 10 years ?
quantum resistance isn't needed for a service like this. the goal here is a different one.
I disagree, if messages will be decrypted in 10 years then you can't use such service for some confidential communications.
While the sale is progressing let's do a little brainstorming.
Iota network can be used as a carrier for any kind of data. Personally, I need a decentralized email service that won't read my letters for its product placement tricks (side-effect: NSA won't spy me). This service will be something average between classical email and classical chat, the messages will be received by me only if I keep Iota node software running. If I can't run such software I can pay to retrieve (encrypted) letters from nodes that provide storage service in exchange for iotas. I need your ideas about what types of services you need, so I could merge some of these services with mine.
Iota network can be used as a carrier for any kind of data. Personally, I need a decentralized email service that won't read my letters for its product placement tricks (side-effect: NSA won't spy me). This service will be something average between classical email and classical chat, the messages will be received by me only if I keep Iota node software running. If I can't run such software I can pay to retrieve (encrypted) letters from nodes that provide storage service in exchange for iotas. I need your ideas about what types of services you need, so I could merge some of these services with mine.
Vitalik mentioned a very interesting concept of the voting/predicting contents with micro-payment on the internet in this paper - https://blog.ethereum.org/2015/11/24/applications-of-security-deposits-and-prediction-markets-you-might-not-have-thought-about/
Micro-payment might enable people and business to adopt this kind prediction market business model in the real life and business world. It will be interesting to see Iota apps provide service in this kind prediction market.
Unfortunatelly, messengers like Telegram use algorithms vulnerable to quantum computers. It means that if 3-letter agencies can't decrypt data yet, they still can store them and read later. Interfacing with existing chat programs will be impossible, it seems.
Any ideas how popular a lightweight decentralized secure chatting may be?
Any ideas how popular a lightweight decentralized secure chatting may be?
quantum resistance isn't needed for a service like this. the goal here is a different one.
Unfortunatelly, messengers like Telegram use algorithms vulnerable to quantum computers. It means that if 3-letter agencies can't decrypt data yet, they still can store them and read later. Interfacing with existing chat programs will be impossible, it seems.
Any ideas how popular a lightweight decentralized secure chatting may be?
Any ideas how popular a lightweight decentralized secure chatting may be?
I need this too but don't we have already a lot of encrypted mail or chat providers on the market ?
Which one satisfies the both requirements - decentralized and lightweight?Absolutely none because, until now, real decentralization lead to fucking slow and buggy services.
Decentralized became the antonym of lightweight.
That's why I have high hope for IOTA's technology to succeed.
from my POV it's all about nano payments, IOTA is perfect for this.
merge a client with a communication component (e.g. tox) to enable people to 'earn' money e.g.
for advices, supports, facts, translations and so on. a free android hybrid like this, including
a global micro service directory with nice categories would be great. payment could be calculated
per word, if chat advise is used or per minute/seconds for calls. every micro service entry in
the directory contains the type of service (categorized) a rating from users already used this
resource, weighted by total service usage and the word/second/minute pricing.
people like to communicate and the more if they can earn something with this. big potential to
reach the external market with high usage numbers if done right.
without my current workload i would built an app like this immediatly, success guaranteed.
i also predict that the money earning wouldn't be the main motivation to use
such a service. the fun factor, sharing knowledge and conneting to people
around the world, enveloped with a monetary symbol of appreciation (IOTAs) is it.
merge a client with a communication component (e.g. tox) to enable people to 'earn' money e.g.
for advices, supports, facts, translations and so on. a free android hybrid like this, including
a global micro service directory with nice categories would be great. payment could be calculated
per word, if chat advise is used or per minute/seconds for calls. every micro service entry in
the directory contains the type of service (categorized) a rating from users already used this
resource, weighted by total service usage and the word/second/minute pricing.
people like to communicate and the more if they can earn something with this. big potential to
reach the external market with high usage numbers if done right.
without my current workload i would built an app like this immediatly, success guaranteed.
i also predict that the money earning wouldn't be the main motivation to use
such a service. the fun factor, sharing knowledge and conneting to people
around the world, enveloped with a monetary symbol of appreciation (IOTAs) is it.
Interesting.
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