Topic: [IOTA] IOTA Speculation - page 13. (Read 171575 times)

You know what happens if you don't provide the hash? Everyone will think that you invented the story.

Hi admiral bit.

@Cfb: Of course not, he even don´t know who you are 


So, please, anybody want to sell me 1 Ti below the current OTC rate? 

I'm not surprised by this answer at all.

And none of this is relevant with this dude getting scammed. You should not be nannying him and none of you have handled it badly at all. It wasn't this guy I was referring to when I originally agreed with someone else's comment that communication skills were not top of the list on iota's talent board and I was mainly agreeing to the last part telling him to 'move on'.

"You are free to have whatever opinion you want of me, but I encourage you to take a look through the times I have been what you deem 'disrespectful', I cannot recall a single time I have not been proven right, but you are free to give me an example where I have been."

I never once accused you of being "disrespectful"? I quite clearly said I have a high opinion of you and never used that word.

"but as someone who is religiously attached to rationality and objective truth I will continue to point out when you are wrong."

Apparently not? Since the word you've quoted and asked me to justify is not a word I used and not one I would use! You are professional, not disrespectful.

The only vague insult I levelled at you was completely true, that you can be a little "acerbic", as can CFB and Dom from time to time. It's no big deal, you don't need to defend yourself so passionately. It's ok to just shrug it off and say 'meh, yeah maybe we could have been a little bit more sensitive on occasion'. I also framed my comments with plenty of deserved compliments that you ignored. I'm a lot further from perfect than any of you I'm sure.

"ascerbic":    sharp, sarcastic, sardonic, satirical, scathing, cutting, razor-edged, incisive, penetrating, piercing, biting, stinging, searing, keen...

If you're really attached to rationality and objective truth then I recommend you broaden the horizon and spend a very worthwhile 3 hours learning something from a true genius about non-violent communication. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwXH4hNfgPg

NVC changed my life. I was much more like you guys before I watched that video for the first time lol . You'll never look at communication issues in the same way again.

It certainly helps make communication more effective and pleasant when we consider it from a "feelings and needs" perspective. Marshall passed away recently, but his legacy has grown into a global movement. You just need to get past the cringe-making song in the first 5 mins. Once you are half-way through you'll already see then genius of it, if you're half as smart as you seem to be .

I am not trying to teach you anything David, you are the one doing things to change the world, I'm just saying what I see and sharing what I know, and I'm obviously saying it poorly because I'm making you defensive instead of constructive. I suspect I need to go back and watch that video for the fifth time myself .

Much love to you David, I'm sorry you saw more of the criticism than compliments in my post, I really do appreciate what you do for the project and you can see that if you re-read my post again with a constructive frame of mind instead of a defensive one. I agree that your attitude has been somewhat necessary, although I do contend that NVC would have helped you handle it 'better'.

Hmm, Admiral_bit is not as stupid as I used to think 

I am not interested to give autistics kids like you any source to my bitcoin transactions. If you didn´t read already, here was my answer for you again:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16088250

Admiral_bit is making drama, pretend he has been scummed at 10 BTC  

+1440 

Strange, I asked 3 times to give me BTC address or hash of your 10 BTC transfer. Are you sure it did happen?

Thanks for the kind words. When I getting on the nerves of all nice guys here, I will stop complaining about IOTA Devs / warning of the trading slack channel.

You are joking aren´t you? You might thinking being rational and objective. But from what you are writing I would say you are egocentric and ignorant. I gave you some examples, but like all egocentric people you are not even able to change your point of view. It´s ok, that the way some people living in your country, but don´t tell us things you aren´t!

@yumei keep your chin up.  I know from personal experience it hurts like a kick to the cock at the moment but you will soon move on and forget about it and claw the losses back from future ventures.

There is still good money to be made from Iota just grab them from a reliable source next time around.

Yes you would not in million years, you might be an computer scientist or whatever, my biggest mistake was not being familar with slack and the options to change his username to the exact same name like the operator of the channel. At least on forums it is not possible without hijacking the accounts and on IRC you can register your nick as well. I also worked several years in the IT business and I learned not to be too prejudiced, I learned to be open for new ways and for risks to have success.
I am not sure if you are in a position to blame IOTAtoken for his rude behaviour as you are pointing me as an idiot as well. This words are per se offensive and you have a lot of alternatives for them.
But I am not surprised, this kind of egocentric, arrogant behaviour is common in northern europe as a result of their cultural identity but it is NOT COMMON in the most parts of the world, at least where I have been living before. And I am publishing this kind of behaviour and trying to argue against and to pick out the wrongfulness, so everyone can have his own opinion.

Regarding all these Scams it seems like IOTA could be quite successful...

Except we are not insensitive or undiplomatic. We froze the funds of Child_Harold (which I warned everyone about extensively before he scammed for like 100 000 dollars), I spend hours weekly on helping out people who didn't claim in the 6 month auto-claim period and if you ask anyone that works with me I doubt they would describe me as someone who isn't courteous. But frankly I don't care, if you want to have that view, be my guest.


We could be prince charming, or we could get stuff done. You can't have both. Why? As soon as you assume the role of a babysitter everyone will bombard you with their trivial issues or things that are out of your control. I say this because I have experience with it. I think everyone agrees that it's better that we spend time and energy making sure IOTA succeeds, but never do we act disrespectful to anyone, except trolls/scammers of course.


I don't care if you consider being honest and efficient a 'weakness', but what I take issue with is this mantra of "their communication skills are their weakest point", we are brutally honest and clear because we have to deal with 1000+ people. There is no way to get personally involved in each person, so instead a blunt approach is the best for everyone from an effective altruistic POV.


Disagree. I said 100 times that "community managers emerge" and used Yassin as the numero uno example 100 times, but (his own wish) he didn't want to be any official community manager, which we of course respected so we didn't enforce anything on him. Community management is making sure people understand what is important and what isn't. Which we have done extremely efficiently, if I had taken any other approach we would not have IOTA Foundation, everything I predicted came true^10 in regards to donations dropping off once people started associating IOTA with imaginary real world profits. I said this back in October after several years in this space, because that is human nature.


You are free to have whatever opinon you want of me, but I encourage you to take a look through the times I have been what you deem 'disrespectful', I cannot recall a single time I have not been proven right, but you are free to give me an example where I have been. Usually my approach ends up filtering out the lunatics and scammers, a side effect of this is that I might appear 'too blunt' to some, but in all honesty it's to ensure the longevity of the project. Neither me or any of the other IOTA core members can get emotionally invested in every single individual or their issues, it would mean the entire project comes to a halt.

So again: feel free to say/think whatever you want of me/us, but as someone who is religiously attached to rationality and objective truth I will continue to point out when you are wrong.

Being efficient and accurate is very different and much easier than being sensitive, diplomatic and courteous.

You guys clearly have many skill sets, but I think it is quite obvious to everyone that your communication skills are limited to getting the point across; you don't have friendly or warm personas in your dealings with the community and you haven't inspired great feelings of filial unity.

Rather than snapping back with justification and defence (as I'm sure you will want to do) why not simply acknowledge what is a pretty modest weakness? A lot of communication could have been handled better. It's no big deal, it's not your remit. I'd rather you were blunt (also infers 'insensitive') as you are dealing with business and real world application.

I was a community manager for 6 years, the skills required to galvanise and grow a community are quite different and much more common than the skills you have. I wish you'd just listened to us earlier and got yassin or someone to act as your community manager (I'm retired and not volunteering lol).  

I mean you no disrespect David, none of us are perfect and you have done amazing things worthy of great praise and respect. You have earned the right to be a little acerbic, but don't bother defending the accusations of insensitivity, just own it and move on.



Anyway.... Yumei, I don't have to be diplomatic as I have nothing to do with the project really. You are an idiot. Never in a million years would I have fallen for that. 10btc per Ti? Pasting that convo as defence reveals how easily a fool and his money are parted. Did you even research the price first? Why do you think he'd sell at so much below the going rate? Ever heard of something being too good to be true and needing to be double-checked? You are a mug! Dom would have been right to take the mick if he'd been a random user and not associated with the project. He's also a young, smart bloke, we all know how quick they are with their tongues. Are you really that surprised by standard human behaviour and lack of empathy from young geeky dudes? Grow up and stop venting here, the blame all sits squarely on your shoulders and no one owes you any sympathy or understanding. This is a decentralised project, not your average customer relations issue with business operators. They don't care about diplomacy; I don't think it matters a huge amount at this stage and with this kind of project, so what you gonna do about it? Grow a pair and act like a man.

Yes, i know. Transacted 2 escrows in total of 11 BTC with Seccour already.

While we are on this, what BTC address did you send those 10 BTC to?

https://iotatangle.slack.com/messages/trading/