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Topic: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings - page 129. (Read 658701 times)

legendary
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Hello I have one problem

I cannot transfer the shares  to the issuer because bitfunder requires  Google 2-factor
I do not have a smart phone and I am not planning on buying one just for transferring my NeoBee stock

any suggestions?


Let me suggest that you have a 2nd device for 2 factor authentication, regardless of bitfunder's requirements. If you don't want a smart phone, you can get a tablet or iPod touch for <$100 on ebay no problem. 3rd gen iPod touch running iOS 5 or later will cost you $50 on ebay and the added security could plausibly save you a tremendous amount more than that.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
Hello I have one problem

I cannot transfer the shares  to the issuer because bitfunder requires  Google 2-factor
I do not have a smart phone and I am not planning on buying one just for transferring my NeoBee stock

any suggestions?


Use this:
https://github.com/gbraad/html5-google-authenticator

download the zip, uncompress, then open the index.html file

add your key and you're all set.
hero member
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Merit: 500
Jesus was a (Goddamn) hippy socialist
For anyone that is still on Bitfunder.com that wishes to use their free migration to go to HavelockInvestments.com (NOT the direct management system), please use these instructions for now:

NEOBEE Bitfunder > Havelock Migration

We are enabling each Bitfunder shareholder ONE free migration.

The following limitations apply:
1. You must initiate this migration request before December 1, 2013.
2. Due to a massive amount of requests, your migration might take anywhere from 1-4 days to process.
3. Beginning On December. 1st, all remaining Bitfunder NEOBEE holders will be converted to direct-share management, registered under their public Bitfunder wallet address.
4. We can make no guarantees that Bitfunder or Havelock will not impose additional limitations on trading in the future.

 How to Transfer Shares:
 1. Make the subject of your email: NEOBEE BF
 2. Push the amount of shares to the issuer account on Bitfunder: NeoBee (Use the Transfer function in Bitfunder.com)
 3. Send an e-mail to [email protected] from your account email address registered with HavelockInvestments.com and include the following info:
  - Bitfunder account name (not email),
  - Bitfunder public wallet address
  - Quantity of shares
  - Havelock registered email address

Do NOT send your request more than once, and do NOT include other requests, questions or comments.

Transfers will be made in batches, and confirmations will ONLY be sent after each batch. Do NOT send emails requesting updates.

NOTE: TAT Investments is not responsible for any lost value, arbitrage, or trading opportunities due to delays in processing transfer requests. TAT Investments is not responsible for any limitations or discontinuations of services or access to liquidity imposed by the host exchanges.


Hello I have one problem

I cannot transfer the shares  to the issuer because bitfunder requires  Google 2-factor
I do not have a smart phone and I am not planning on buying one just for transferring my NeoBee stock

any suggestions?
full member
Activity: 173
Merit: 100
btcmy.net
Can someone show me where the info about direct management system planning to establish by neobee for me to read. Not sure which platform are the best should i go in order to transfer my shares from bitfunder to direct management system or havelock.
legendary
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The shares will remain for sale on the direct platform only, with a free transfer for the amount of shares purchased into any platform we have available. The date was only set to determine if the IPVO was deemed a success or a failure, as detailed early in the thread. We shall remove the walls on the 30th November and if people want to invest directly they can do.

The dividends will only be paid on shares sold, I will not receive any dividends on my holdings until 0.0035 BTC/Share has been paid on all public shares as per the agreement.

In relation to news releases, I announce what I can without jeopardizing certain deals, once we have things nailed down we push the information out to all investors. We have many different things happening on the ground, this results in many loose ends. When they are tied you will know about it, the business world is not accustomed to working at the speed Bitcoin operates at YET.

One of our merchants are planning their own news release in advance of us doing so, because they are pushing to get the announcement in the printed WSJ.

I guess if the merchant news is as good as we all hope, the unsold shares issue won't be an issue for very long!
N_S
full member
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Good stuff all around here. Hats off to Danny and TAT for staying up on this and not leaving folks in the dark.
sr. member
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[T]he business world is not accustomed to working at the speed Bitcoin operates at YET.

This is a very good point. Some of the expectations that have come to be seen as standard in the bitcoin community are just not feasible in the larger business world (yet, as you point out).
sr. member
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The shares will remain for sale on the direct platform only, with a free transfer for the amount of shares purchased into any platform we have available. The date was only set to determine if the IPVO was deemed a success or a failure, as detailed early in the thread. We shall remove the walls on the 30th November and if people want to invest directly they can do.

The dividends will only be paid on shares sold, I will not receive any dividends on my holdings until 0.0035 BTC/Share has been paid on all public shares as per the agreement.

In relation to news releases, I announce what I can without jeopardizing certain deals, once we have things nailed down we push the information out to all investors. We have many different things happening on the ground, this results in many loose ends. When they are tied you will know about it, the business world is not accustomed to working at the speed Bitcoin operates at YET.

One of our merchants are planning their own news release in advance of us doing so, because they are pushing to get the announcement in the printed WSJ.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
How are dividends split if all the shares aren't sold?

I presume unsold shares are not included in the dividend calculation but it would be good to know for sure. Of course, they may all have sold by that point but it may depend somewhat on the BTC exchange rate.

I guess: Unsold shares would just be part of the company. So their dividend would just be paid out to Neo & Bee.

I understand "the company" would include us (shareholders) too. So if for instance out of the 60% equity which was put for sale on the IPVO, only half gets sold, the other 30% equity should be distributed between all shareholders (public and private). In that particular case Danny+other private shareholders would have 40%+30%*(40/70)=57,14% and public (IPVO) shareholders would get 30%+30%*(30/70)=42.86%

At least this is how I see it, correct me if I'm wrong

You are wrong, the intent is not for there to be a concentration of unsold shares.

I should let Danny comment on any specifics on how the dividends are handled for unsold shares.
legendary
Activity: 1212
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How are dividends split if all the shares aren't sold?

I presume unsold shares are not included in the dividend calculation but it would be good to know for sure. Of course, they may all have sold by that point but it may depend somewhat on the BTC exchange rate.

I guess: Unsold shares would just be part of the company. So their dividend would just be paid out to Neo & Bee.

I understand "the company" would include us (shareholders) too. So if for instance out of the 60% equity which was put for sale on the IPVO, only half gets sold, the other 30% equity should be distributed between all shareholders (public and private). In that particular case Danny+other private shareholders would have 40%+30%*(40/70)=57,14% and public (IPVO) shareholders would get 30%+30%*(30/70)=42.86%

At least this is how I see it, correct me if I'm wrong
sr. member
Activity: 378
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I guess: Unsold shares would just be part of the company. So their dividend would just be paid out to Neo & Bee.

Nope. Unsold shares doesn't exist.
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250
How are dividends split if all the shares aren't sold?

I presume unsold shares are not included in the dividend calculation but it would be good to know for sure. Of course, they may all have sold by that point but it may depend somewhat on the BTC exchange rate.

I guess: Unsold shares would just be part of the company. So their dividend would just be paid out to Neo & Bee.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
How are dividends split if all the shares aren't sold?

I presume unsold shares are not included in the dividend calculation but it would be good to know for sure. Of course, they may all have sold by that point but it may depend somewhat on the BTC exchange rate.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
The unsold shares will remain for sale, this was made clear at the start.

Oh ... so you just want to prolong IPVO period to infinity, even if NEOBEE doesn't need another capital. So what was the purpose of the date 30th November from the start ?


The 30th was the deadline to raise the minimum amount to proceed with the plan, and not refund it all. To my knowledge, Neo & Bee can still make use of additional funds to grow the company and its services.
member
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I think they will continue for sale "indefinitely". When NeoBee starts to get revenue and then dividends (if ever), the shares will be quickly sold.
legendary
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The unsold shares will remain for sale, this was made clear at the start.

Oh ... so you just want to prolong IPVO period to infinity, even if NEOBEE doesn't need another capital. So what was the purpose of the date 30th November from the start ?

I think after the 30th shares will only be offered to angel investors iirc.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 250
The unsold shares will remain for sale, this was made clear at the start.

Oh ... so you just want to prolong IPVO period to infinity, even if NEOBEE doesn't need another capital. So what was the purpose of the date 30th November from the start ?
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
The unsold shares of the IPVO are Danny's, the only thing he must do is remove the huge sell order of the unsold shares.

The unsold shares cant be in Danny ownership after the IPVO. Unless he'll pay 0.003 BTC per each share from personal pocket to NEOBEE ... otherwise you are creating shares out of thin air without backing of BTC ... think about it, unsold shares after IPVO phase are no existing, they must be destroyed on exchanges. Period.

Also little speculation here, its surprising that TAT himself is not buying shares under the IPVO price

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Investor Protection Plan
The initial 9,600,000 LMB Holdings shares have the privilege of getting all profits until a total of 0.0035 bitcoins per share has been paid.

He has a shitload of BTC income from AM Board Member position. So why he isn't investing in company where he is a founder ? If there's guarantee on 0.0035 dividends per share, its like getting free BTCs. Is he believing in NEOBEE success in future? If not he, who should?

On the other hand, good job so far Danny and TAT, good luck on conference ! I know my questions are sometimes not very comfortable, sorry about that.

The unsold shares will remain for sale, this was made clear at the start.

Your speculation about AM board income, and why TATI should buy up all the NEOBEE shares is not logical or informed.
(TATI does disclaim that it may hold and trade NEOBEE units at will.)

Danny is getting news out to everyone as soon as he can.
hero member
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I know my questions are sometimes not very comfortable, sorry about that.

I think you raise some good questions to be honest, things I'm sure average shareholders are wondering too. I'm more surprised to not see news released regularly to boost ipvo share acquisitions considering what a great advantage this would give the company now that they already have the funds they need, rather than insider trading as you suggest, since TATI is the issuer of the passthrough on Havelock and if they want to stick by the rules I'm sure in that case there could be some legal issue. Anyway, we could very well see a whale waiting for the price to bottom and take everything in the last days, but I'm not too confident this will be the case.
member
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How do you get the shares moved to Havelock from Bitfunder?

Answered by TAT two pages ago: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3531842
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