Topic: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings - page 131. (Read 658701 times)

I have shares on BF and am unsure about what to do with them.

Could any kind soul briefly run through the pros and cons of transferring to Havelock or keeping on BF?

Thankyou.

I hope they locked in some fiat. We will see a cautious recovery later and in the next few days probably the trend will continue.

thanks, done as requested.

this is good

For anyone that is still on Bitfunder.com that wishes to use their free migration to go to HavelockInvestments.com (NOT the direct management system), please use these instructions for now:

NEOBEE Bitfunder > Havelock Migration

We are enabling each Bitfunder shareholder ONE free migration.

The following limitations apply:
1. You must initiate this migration request before December 1, 2013.
2. Due to a massive amount of requests, your migration might take anywhere from 1-4 days to process.
3. Beginning On December. 1st, all remaining Bitfunder NEOBEE holders will be converted to direct-share management, registered under their public Bitfunder wallet address.
4. We can make no guarantees that Bitfunder or Havelock will not impose additional limitations on trading in the future.

 How to Transfer Shares:
 1. Make the subject of your email: NEOBEE BF
 2. Push the amount of shares to the issuer account on Bitfunder: NeoBee (Use the Transfer function in Bitfunder.com)
 3. Send an e-mail to [email protected] from your account email address registered with HavelockInvestments.com and include the following info:
  - Bitfunder account name (not email),
  - Bitfunder public wallet address
  - Quantity of shares
  - Havelock registered email address

Do NOT send your request more than once, and do NOT include other requests, questions or comments.

Transfers will be made in batches, and confirmations will ONLY be sent after each batch. Do NOT send emails requesting updates.

NOTE: TAT Investments is not responsible for any lost value, arbitrage, or trading opportunities due to delays in processing transfer requests. TAT Investments is not responsible for any limitations or discontinuations of services or access to liquidity imposed by the host exchanges.

Pages ago it was established that we do have internal shareholder lists......The BitFunder list is public data.

The individual instructions will be provided through Havelock, BitFunder and here online once the final testing has been completed on the platform.

Instead of arguing about how will this direct shares platform will work it would be nicer to know first the procedures into migrating to either this one or Havelock.

this right here.

saying a google doc is below you is fine, but the fact is, you don't EVEN HAVE A GOOGLE DOC.  You can talk about raising standards all you want, but you fail to have the minimum.  You don't even meet the crappy standards we already have.

If you want to list on a real exchange and provide real stock certificates and comply with the rules and regulations that Twitter does, then you don't need a google doc shareholder list.  Let us know when you will be doing that, ok?

But, the fact is, you are not doing any of those things.  You listed on 2 exchanges that failed within a month of you listing there and then push your shareholders to the last remaining exchange, where they await its closure.  You have had ample time to come up with a real solution, even a rudimentary one, like a google spreadsheet.  But, we learn, you can't even do that, and you see basic transparency as being beneath you.  

It's just too hard to be transparent and take care of your shareholders, isn't it?
(but not too hard to take their money)

Denying your investors the rudimentary trappings of transparency is not the first thing which comes to mind when i think of raising standards.
Comparing Neo & Bee to Twitter, a company traded on NYSE, serves only to highlight the lack of your company's transparency.

Your claim of working with CySEC, for instance, is unverifiable, as are the meetings with lawyers which you use to illustrate your compliance with international law.  Regarding the latter:  Offering unregistered securities to US persons runs afoul of US law, and is subject to SEC intervention.  Suggesting otherwise is misleading.

Your involvement with Havelock & The Panama Fund, S.E., while claiming audits by KPMG, particularly piqued my interest.  I'm assuming that you are a businessman & understand just  what The Panama Fund is.

As far as Neo & Bee becoming a part of the brighter future of bitcoin securities market?  A perfectly achievable goal, if losses to your investors prove to be below ~75% -- the current de facto standard.

I only used the Twitter case as a reference, to demonstrate that for Bitcoin to be taken seriously, some standards need to be made higher.

We have merely tried to raise standards and continue to do so. The laws are pretty clear here in Europe, if you do not transact with Government issued currency and everything is transacted within crypto-currency then there is no regulations, all of the problems have arisen from draconian practices and concerns in the US. Yesterday I had a 2 and a half hour meeting with lawyers heavily involved with CySEC and they understand the innovation happens before the regulatory framework can be created, as previously released we have been investigating launching a regulated securities exchange platform, coupled with the progress made by Havelock, the crypto related securities market has a much brighter future, with higher standards which will stand to benefit investors more than anyone else.

In a nut shell, we achieved our goals and enabled members of the Bitcoin economy have a piece of the profits, with the tools we had available to us at the time.

At the risk of sounding disrespectful, Twitter is trading on NYSE, with all the associated standards, oversights & regulations.

You have raised your money on an internet forum by selling unregistered securities with an "IPVO," a concept you have coined for the occasion.

Yes, using Google Docs is a laughable way of maintaining transparency for a financial institution.  Having no contingency plans or means in place to maintain said transparency is more laughable still.

Hey Danny I am an ECDL/MOS expert, if you need me please PM lol

I hope you can share some projections on how a surge like this one (which is going crazy atm in China) would affect your business. No rush since it's still going on and I know you guys are busy, just a little reminder.
We are obviously looking forward to those conferences too. Do you think you could set up a streaming?
Thanks.

EDIT
Oh, didn't see this. Great.

A Google spreadsheet, is that how Twitter manage their new shareholder list? We are trying to raise standards here.

We still hold the vast majority of our IPVO funds in BTC, we will be producing a financial update in the not so distance future.

Danny,

When would it be possible to get an overview of financials? Particularly, is Neo still holding onto the ~9500 XBT gathered from the IPVO thus far (has our investment appreciated with the rise in XBT)? Would you mind reiterating what its purpose will be (I believe, to hold them as reserve and to pay for expenditures).

Thanks

That'll do pig, that'll do

+1. that's what shareholders value the most.

there's no secretary over there that can work Excel? You act like keeping a public list on Google docs is a big deal.

hey, I would, but they keep closing...

I say crack on with what you have been doing to date... building a serious Bitcoin company that sets an example to others on how it should be done. I have full confidence in Neo's approach to carving a niche in this new economy.