Topic: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings - page 99. (Read 658701 times)

Everyone and No-one is working on this issue.

The BTC is going to be returned but has also vanished.

No updates or information can be provided apart from some updates and information

I am really confused....

If you go back a few pages you'll see discussion at length about this topic: Danny is dealing with it directly in his own time ie NEO staff are not directly involved in the arbitration process...perhaps read the posts and then give the guy some time to actually work on it (rather than ask him to endlessly repeat himself).

Thanks NEO-PR, just got the email and have signed the message as directed. 

Can neo-pr give us an update on the bitfunder scam?

That is the correct sending address, and also the address you should send the verification info to.

If you look at the trust for this account, you will see the trust comment from ThickAsThieves here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=182236

You can also view the original whitelist request here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3852938

You didn't:

Did I just get scammed for my neobee shares from [email protected]?

We need a confirmation from cryptocyprus that this is indeed an official Neo&Bee account. (which seems unlikely since its 1am in Cyprus)

Edit: NEO-PR is confirmed to belong to ThickAsThieves. It makes sense then. Sorry for the confusion.

UPDATE

Bitfunder provided the final shareholder list, along with contact email addresses.

All shareholders that are currently stranded on Bitfunder.com were sent an email containing instructions on how to claim your shares.

Thank you!

@cryptocyprus Hi Danny can you verify that NEO-PR is legitimately connected to NEO and BEE? As well it has been asked multiple times but why do we have to pay a fee to transfer to direct shares on lmb-holdings? I have been a shareholder since the IPO and would have liked to have bought direct shares but they did not exist at the time. Please reconsider charging a fee to transfer to direct shares?

There was a lot of talk like "we will be creating our exchange or move to colored coins". True no one said it would be free, but neither that it would have a cost, and it seemed reasonable to assume the first.

Also, it's the first time I hear talking about passthrough shares; IIRC it was mentioned here in the past that Havelock and Bitfunder shares were not passthroughs, but "as real as you could get"


How has that anything to do with transfer fees? That would be an argument to justify having a percentage of dividends cut out, but not for transfering OUT of Havelock, thus if anything reducing those costs you mention for you.


I'm in for the long term, I don't care so much about liquidity and I don't want the counter party risk involved with Havelock. Of course I don't "need" direct shares but they would be very appreciated, since I thought that was what I bought.


Then do as I suggested: first time it's free, then there's a fee. So you have the friction AND you show appreciation to your early investors.


EDIT: my bad, I saw now that btct.co and havelock shares were allways mentioned as passthroughs, and bitfunder were the direct ones. What about people who bought IPVO (not traded) shares in the period when there was only Havelock? How were they supposed to buy direct shares?

1. When you bought shares on Havelock, you bought passthrough shares. Every right that you assumed when you bought those shares remains. There was never an implication of converting, migrating, or managing your shares in any way unmentioned in the prospectus.

2. There is cost, time, and liability involved with facilitating the management of your shares. There are monthly fees to even exist on Havelock at all. 

3. Havelock shareholder records are backed up to multiple parties twice daily. No shareholder "needs" to move to direct shares. It is an optional service, and therefore, one with a fee.

4. People who buy new shares directly from Neo at original price are able to move those new shares to Havelock with no fee required. The reasoning here, again, is that we don't want to force anyone to pay a fee. This service still has the same internal costs to manage, but since everyone needs to sell shares eventually, and being that Havelock is currently the only place to do so, we understand charging a fee in that case would be unfair.

5. The fees also serve as "friction" to prevent people from abusing the service and to curb overwhelming customer service needs. People should only really be moving shares when they want to sell them, or if they feel safer storing them with Neo.

6. With security being a priority, manual oversight is currently required for every single transfer. Over time, we may automate aspects and add features and conveniences for shareholders.

I agree as well

I fully agree with that.

Since the thread is now calm, unlike last week, I'll bring this up again: I think that for first transfer Havelock->lmb-holdings there should be no fee.

I bought Neo shares on Havelock the first day of the IPO, and I don't see why I should pay an additional fee to have them on the official platform, which was not avaible back then. If the shares I bought on Havelock are "real", then why do I have to pay a fee for having them validated by lmb-holdings?

It would seem reasonble to me that the lmb->Havelock has a fee, since exporting your shares on a non-official platform with more liquidity is indeed a service TAT is offering, but not the other way around. Instead it's exactly the opposite! I would like to hear your (TAT's and Danny's) reasoning on this

http://www.sigmalive.com/news/local/82307 (in Greek)

Conference (under the Uni of Nicosia and the Cyprus Stock Exchange) with title "Entering the digital currency era".

Things seem to be growing really fast in Cyprus .

S.

That is hilarious, artistic and argumentative simultaneously.

I love it.

I wish I could draw like that. This was commissioned for BTC from a friend of mine.  Cartoon strip to follow.