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Topic: Is a Madmax outcome coming before 2020? Thus do we need anonymity? - page 35. (Read 102812 times)

hero member
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if we get into a Madmax scenario , we would need lots of ammo , gas and a few cargoboats of faith and hope.
Who the hell cares about anonymity when you're facing starvation?

The point is we avoid the Madmax Dark Age if we can prevent the socialism from destroying everything. We need to intervene before we get to the wasteland phase, so we can abort that trajectory. Thus we need anonymity and NOW!

My epic insight on physical coins for cryptocurrency.
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
You don't have porn mags in your SHTF bag?  Cheesy

Honestly , I don't understand who buys all those porn mags I see and the newspaper kiosks.Haven't touch one in years.
Although I have some GB of scanned ones downloaded from tpb Smiley
legendary
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You don't have porn mags in your SHTF bag?  Cheesy
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
if we get into a Madmax scenario , we would need lots of ammo , gas and a few cargoboats of faith and hope.
Who the hell cares about anonymity when you're facing starvation?



Who's going to care about cryptocurrencies at all in a situation like that really?

Well , at least there is some porn in the blockchain , if you're the only one left in your entire state Smiley.
legendary
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if we get into a Madmax scenario , we would need lots of ammo , gas and a few cargoboats of faith and hope.
Who the hell cares about anonymity when you're facing starvation?



Who's going to care about cryptocurrencies at all in a situation like that really?
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
if we get into a Madmax scenario , we would need lots of ammo , gas and a few cargoboats of faith and hope.
Who the hell cares about anonymity when you're facing starvation?

hero member
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Politicians crave power. Any idealism is feigned or self-delusion (often with drugs and sex to sustain) to cover for their lust for power. I don't see your point.

Politicians raid/rob the government because that is where the power and money is. Just another form of legalized thieves.

They asked a famous bank robber why he robbed banks, and he said, "because that is where the money is".
legendary
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No, I see the situation more like this:
-something will fill a power vacuum no matter what.
-free markets are always overseen by some higher-level entity that makes the rules. There is no "free" free market.

This is how I saw it as well until a few years ago. I may have asked you this before, but what is your opinion on going from a democratic vote to decide who will control us, to a democratic vote to decide who will not control us, such as through anonymous assassination markets? As deplorable as the idea may be (to some), at the core it's basically a way to add rather severe negative costs to being in power (those costs stemming from increased security expenses, not necessarily from actually having the market contract fulfilled)
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@AnonyMint, I find a lot of your views make a refreshing change from the Libertarian monotony here, but in this case I wonder if you're making some flawed assumptions with the fundamentals. Unlike Libertarians, I don't see governments as "basically evil because use their coercive powers to coerce unwilling participants into doing things they don't want to do, and the free market is better and more efficient for pretty much everything."

No, I see the situation more like this:
-something will fill a power vacuum no matter what.
-free markets are always overseen by some higher-level entity that makes the rules. There is no "free" free market.
-a lot of the pro-free market propaganda ignores the above. "Competition is more efficient" they say, but they conveniently neglect to mention: "an unregulated market is a type of power vacuum, and a series of mergers and acquisitions will result in a monopoly that becomes a de-facto regulator which, left unchecked, will eliminate innovation in that space."

Astute and agreed. I have tried to explain that to people, and they seem to conflate many issues and can't separate out the orthogonal factors.

Thus you understand why without anonymity, we are just blowing hot air in the wind.

Anonymity is the critical feature of crypto-currency. I explained it here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3934640

Bitcoin can't survive as a store-of-value if it is not also providing some needed function, because its store-of-value can be replicated at-will. Etlase2 is correct.

The possible functions a crypto-unit might provide are which might have a Buffetesque moat due to network-effects:

1. Anonymity

2. Decentralized medium-of-exchange.

3. Decentralized ledger of value.

Bitcoin doesn't really have #1 because your anonymity depends on what the other users do since it is only valid if a process of elimination isn't going to work. Bitcoin doesn't have #2 because capital gains taxes are due on Bitcoin but not on legal tender, which can be enforced because of lack of #1.

The utility of #3 is pretty much destroyed without #1, due to net worth tax coming (because current global debt is $150 trillion).

See how everything hinges on #1?

P.S. Many are concerned the government will crack down on an anonymous currency. But think about this. If there is a way to hide assets with very high confidence, the politicians will rob the government blind and government will collapse faster than the blink of an eye. I think that would be perfect. A very anarchist outcome. Still not think the Madmax is coming?

Given the above, a lot of the whining I've been hearing about Socialism lately makes me suspicious on 2 levels:

Firstly, political systems around the world cannot and should not be generalised into one-word slogans. It's just silly. The lack of nuance, e.g.: calling Europe "Socialist", makes it meaningless and only useful as propaganda to promote some alternative.

Let me make it more simple. Government is socialist. Period. Here is the Iron Law:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=984
(that is Eric S Raymond the 150 - 160 IQ genius who wrote Cathedral and the Bazaar which catapulted the open source revolution)

Secondly, I wonder who has the most to lose from the evils of government regulation? The monopolistic corporations! If we follow their history, it often seems to go like this:
-there's a fresh new industry that never existed before, so it's unregulated.
-mergers and acquisitions happen, and now there are only a few players.
-eventually, the government steps in to stop the industry from getting too monopolistic.
-the monopoly cries "Rape! Wolf! Socialism!" to draw attention to their plight.

Wow you are in delusion on that one. The monopolies are never broken up by government. For example the telcom breakup in the USA hasn't worked out, and internet access is slow and overpriced in the USA because the telcoms and cable companies are still operating as a cartel.

The government only pretends to break up cartels. Have you forgotten that all government is in the back pocket of the cartels?
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The carbon tax is all about a global Technocracy where the elite will track everything you do (e.g. Smart Electric meters...to save the earth of course!), and tax you into slavery.

This is what a carbon tax with the lie about man-made global warming is about.

Did your Exxon Attorny Daddy tell you that or do you honestly believe that firing millions of tons of fossile products has no impact on our climate? The only lie is the carbon tax which just helps greedy Exxon&Co to make more money. Bloody bastards!

I haven't spoken to my father since 2003. Before 2000, I hadn't spoken to him much since 1990 (when I was 25). So don't think my father and I see eye-to-eye on all issues. My father went much higher than West Coast division attorney at Exxon. I am not really clear how high up he went because that was after we stopped communicating. I recognize his intellect.

Any way, that is irrelevant to my views on ClimateGate and the other complete fraud of man-made global warming (read the 27 comments of "Shelby" on the linked page).

Here is a sample comment:

@knarzo:

Some monkeys would rather the group dies than for one monkey to be admitted to be a natural leader.

Those groups perish.

(implication is I won't be joining your group)

I'm happy that those doom and gloom glorifying folks, NWO racists, religious wackos and people like you, which are experts on everything and think to know everything but spending a lifetime on a forum trying to proselytize, will never join the group i'm in. At least we agree on this Wink

You can see that he thinks I am rascist, and you can read my prior post where I explain the difference between rascism and objectivity.

Also he is basing his opinion of me being a rascist on a prior argument we had about drugs. (he is conflating race with not discriminating against drug users) In general he thinks he is not a socialist, but he doesn't realize that mathematically any one who is for equality is a socialist. Freedom requires disagreement, and thus orthogonal smaller things, not a monolithic agreement.

Because life is not equal. Humans are diverse and have various strengths and weaknesses. CoinCube recognized where I had defined this:

Meh.. He seems to try to skim the cream off 100+ different fields of study, attempting to make connections between various scientific curiosities and real-world events. While a lot of it seems kind-of coherent, I noticed (while lightly reading/skimming) :

He is and in my opinion does so successfully.
If he is correct (and I believe he is) this is the equivalent of someone in 1927 claiming that the economy was
going to collapse soon. Easy to disregard (lots of good times in 1928) but very important to think about before dismissing

He defines knowledge here
http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html#Thought_Isn't_Fungible

Let me quote from that linked blog of mine:

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Every possible model of the brain will lack the fundamental cause of human creativity— every human brain is unique. Thus each of billions of brains is able to contemplate possibilities and scenarios differently enough so that it is more likely at least one brain will contemplate some unique idea that fits each set of possibilities at each point in time.
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legendary
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You cannot kill love
You know, all our fuel would be renewable and leave a negative carbon footprint if we grew hemp biodiesel.  But that's illegal.

Except it wouldn't be, because when a plant grows, it pulls stuff out of the ground, and when it dies and decomposes, it puts stuff back into the ground, but if you remove that plant, you basically just end up pulling stuff out of the ground untill there is nothing to pull. We would essentially switch from oil based energy to fertilizer based energy.
Good thing hemp is a great fertilizer as well.
legendary
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You know, all our fuel would be renewable and leave a negative carbon footprint if we grew hemp biodiesel.  But that's illegal.

Except it wouldn't be, because when a plant grows, it pulls stuff out of the ground, and when it dies and decomposes, it puts stuff back into the ground, but if you remove that plant, you basically just end up pulling stuff out of the ground untill there is nothing to pull. We would essentially switch from oil based energy to fertilizer based energy.
legendary
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You cannot kill love
This is what a carbon tax with the lie about man-made global warming is about.

Did your Exxon Attorny Daddy tell you that or do you honestly believe that firing millions of tons of fossile products has no impact on our climate? The only lie is the carbon tax which just helps greedy Exxon&Co to make more money. Bloody bastards!
You know, all our fuel would be renewable and leave a negative carbon footprint if we grew hemp biodiesel.  But that's illegal.
legendary
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I do believe we are headed for complete economic collapse, but not by the year 2020.  The US will manage to borrow enough to stay afloat until then.   2030 is a more realistic goal.

2030?! Don't you know that economics follows a cycle based on some arbitrary number that has nothing to do with economics, which is Pi, or something?   Roll Eyes
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This is what a carbon tax with the lie about man-made global warming is about.

Did your Exxon Attorny Daddy tell you that or do you honestly believe that firing millions of tons of fossile products has no impact on our climate? The only lie is the carbon tax which just helps greedy Exxon&Co to make more money. Bloody bastards!
hero member
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The elite are purposefully blowing up the world with $150 trillion in debt employing the stealthy QE to expand debt into the developing countries since 2008, so they can bring us to a Technocracy, which means where they track and control all commerce with centralized control. All countries are complicit in this NWO plan, including China and Russia. There are no friendly major nation governments. This is what a carbon tax with the lie about man-made global warming is about. This is what smart electric meters on every home are about. This is what Bitcoin (without built-in anonymity) is about. Etc.

I don't believe it will make it to 2033 by any chance. 2033 will actually be the bottom of the crisis where it ends.

I expect the global downturn to begin 2016, or at the latest 2018. See this link for the research.

Gold will indeed skyrocket after 2015, as Bitcoin will probably collapse in price (see first linked thread above for more on that theory).

But Gold is not a panacea, because you can't move it and spend it easily without being noticed. Thus gold hoarding leads to a collapse in commerce and a Dark Age. It makes everything worse.

The only solution is a truly anonymous crypto-currency. Bitcoin isn't.
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
Thus we definitely need anonymity, and the 29% (2 of 7) will be using it and I believe sustaining their capital. I believe the rest will go over the cliff with the Titantic.

Over the cliff with the Titanic?  Interesting analogy.  Smiley

I do believe we are headed for complete economic collapse, but not by the year 2020.  The US will manage to borrow enough to stay afloat until then.   2030 is a more realistic goal.
sr. member
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if this were the case, i better buy me some gold to stash. i don't think it's happening though.. the rich elite rule the world, and they do it in tandem with big brother.
hero member
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It is good to see that 71% (5 of 7) of the people do not expect a Madmax outcome with socialism and the debt implosion confiscating (and taxing to death) all savings, capital, and retirements.

Because if 71% saw what I believe is coming, then we could perhaps avoid the bad outcome by acting sooner to prevent it.

Note I voted yes, so it is better to exclude my vote when calculating the above percentage.

Thus we definitely need anonymity, and the 29% (2 of 7) will be using it and I believe sustaining their capital. I believe the rest will go over the cliff with the Titantic.
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