Is anonymous betting a desired feature?

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on June 23, 2019, 07:24:26 AM

~KYC should be prohibited when it comes to this kind of platforms especially when there's money involved. I will be always feel bothered when someone on the internet knew my personal information. Huh

If they will release huge money, I think papers and documents are needed on this transaction.

I think that would be the right way of dealing with it. Such a measure can help can help preventing big thefts, both from gambling sites and from users with hacked accounts. Also, it can prevent money laundering on a big scale. But the vast majority of gamblers, who are neither thieves nor corrupt officials, shouldn't be asked for providing their personal information. If they wish to gamble anonymously, they have the right to do it.

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Quote from: Distinctin on June 29, 2019, 03:01:16 AM

Quote from: bitgolden on June 29, 2019, 02:30:37 AM

I have these feelings that KYC regulation is a scam policy by most casino sites.

That is not true, KYC is required in regulated casinos so you can choose to gamble in a non regulated one if you are not comfortable with provided your info.

It is just a feeling anyway and that one should not bother. But, yes I agree with you that KYC is not a scam policy because for most common reason for doing this is to avoid any misuse of a certain platform and being able also for the platform to track down abusive individuals who take advantage of the platform and the other user.

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Quote from: Distinctin on June 29, 2019, 03:01:16 AM

Quote from: bitgolden on June 29, 2019, 02:30:37 AM

I have these feelings that KYC regulation is a scam policy by most casino sites.

That is not true, KYC is required in regulated casinos so you can choose to gamble in a non regulated one if you are not comfortable with provided your info.

About scam or not, it is depends on the site. And of course scam casino sites will instantly get bad feedback from early users. I think they wouldn't really think will use people's data to scam, because if not KYC they still can do it.

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Quote from: bitgolden on June 29, 2019, 02:30:37 AM

I have these feelings that KYC regulation is a scam policy by most casino sites.

That is not true, KYC is required in regulated casinos so you can choose to gamble in a non regulated one if you are not comfortable with provided your info.

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Quote from: idreamin3d on June 07, 2019, 02:59:33 AM

I'm working on a football (soccer) betting site, and I'd like to know if it is worth the effort to add the feature to allow no-registration bets. Has it ever been a deciding factor when you pick a site to bet on?

I voted the second option, it will make the site appealing there are people who wants this kind of features and a good options for gamblers to play anonymous, but when it comes to winning a large amount some gambling sites will ask for AML or KYC to make their site compliant, this is something a gambler should expect when he wins a huge amount.

Same, KYC should be prohibited when it comes to this kind of platforms especially when there's money involved. I will be always feel bothered when someone on the internet knew my personal information. Huh

If they will release huge money, I think papers and documents are needed on this transaction.

Exactly, I am totally against KYC and it’s of no use at all. If a site can accept any amount a player deposits without requesting the bettor to fill a KYC form, then I see no point filling it at withdrawal.

I have these feelings that KYC regulation is a scam policy by most casino sites. They are aware that most players hate to drop their personal details, so most of them make it criteria for withdrawing believing that some winners would leave the money rather than filing the KYC form and truly there are players who would rather leave the money than to fill their details.

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I think most gamblers would see no registration bets as a plus to a betting site because most of them wants to gamble anonymously and they find KYC very hassle. In my opinion it is better for your site to have verification just to safeguard your site from scammers.

With or without registration would always be ideal for a gambler if he has the option for both of it. We want to gamble anonymously and you have to choose those casinos that doesn't require KYC before you gamble but there are casinos that will ask you for KYC when you are about to withdraw. They will halt your request and will ask you for that and when that happens, it will be a disappointing moment for you because you thought from the beginning that they don't ask for it.

Asking for KYC at the time of withdrawal is the first sign of scam. If you come across such a site, you should seriously think of quitting the site or at least keep less funds there. The sites can put some restrictions like with people without kyc have some daily withdrawals limits but asking for kyc at the time of withdrawal only is not acceptable and right.

Well I would say that this is not in all cases. I have used a lot of sites that request for this at withdrawal and because I know the reputable status of the site, I do it and withdrawal my money without issues. I feel it all depends on the site. Not all sites that requests for KYC are scam. Some are only obeying the government’s policy on KYC regulations for gamblers in order to check for some activities like laundering and fraud

I have no issues with it at all and frankly to be honest, I would say that only those with guilty conscience would run away from KYC regulation if they are sure of gambling on a safe site.

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It sounds like you want to rip off directbet. But since the site is closed I don't see a problem with it. I would love to be able to place bets with just sending btc to an address and than get my winnings sent back to it.

However.

You should have at least 1 confirmation before bets are placed that are over 1mbtc because that killed directbet even if they wont admit it.

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I do not know what platform you are doing OP since there are sports betting platform I know that is now being develop and that is the bitgoals sports betting protocol. If this is the project you are working theb there could a high chance that this project and users will going to visit the site and then bet. It is just a matter of how one can market the project. But, bitgoals has done ads in one of the leauge games in football which being recognize as one of the betting platform.

Anyway, people loves to bet and not only in football games. Even myself had been betting but I am more on bitcoin casino games. My reflexes still good and can manages to win games in bitcoin casino online.

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Quote from: sweetbet on June 24, 2019, 03:50:03 PM

I prefer anonymous betting, but if an online casino that I really want to play at does not offer anonymous betting, then I will complete the necessary documents and play there.

Preferably this feature is my favorite feature in any gambling platform before my attention will be draw to such platform to gamble becasue my privacy is more important and can not be traded for anything else. Although, many are gamblers that dislike such gambling features based on their odds, and they can go ahead to drop their privacy with such platforms.

Because there is definitely a possibility for you to win big and the site requires more identity so that you can make large amounts of withdrawals, in this case it does not rule out the possibility that your privacy is no longer a top priority and therefore anonymous bets are a feature that some want gambler.

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Quote from: Pmalek on June 07, 2019, 03:55:33 AM

It opens up room for abuse. If there is no type of regulation or KYC what would prevent a football team from a lower division to bet on their own match and earn money from their loss? If the site offers anonymous betting there is no way of knowing who made the bets without following the money trail.

One of the risk why we cant see any site tend to follow up this kind of feature which it is really prone to abuse.

You wouldn't know if someone do intentionally lose up the game and won up big time into their lost game.We wouldn't know actually.

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Quote from: sweetbet on June 24, 2019, 03:50:03 PM

I prefer anonymous betting, but if an online casino that I really want to play at does not offer anonymous betting, then I will complete the necessary documents and play there.

Preferably this feature is my favorite feature in any gambling platform before my attention will be draw to such platform to gamble becasue my privacy is more important and can not be traded for anything else. Although, many are gamblers that dislike such gambling features based on their odds, and they can go ahead to drop their privacy with such platforms.

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Quote from: vennali on June 28, 2019, 06:23:21 AM

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You might also want to add, that they needed to have a KYC to prevent bots that's playing and continuously winning for the sake of the owner of that bot. Though, I can't hardly see some restrictions when it comes to age, because almost all of them don't have it on their TCs /Rules.

As for the subject, I may better choose playing anonymously rather than playing with my own name publicly, this is just for our own safety I suppose. Their are numerous hackers everywhere so its better to be a nanashi (japanese name/term).

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Quote from: redsun114 on June 24, 2019, 04:50:24 AM

Hmmm… No Registration bets? Well, there are sites that has it just like Sportsbet.io that allows people to bet without registering, but one thing is that if you mistakenly leave the site, all your winnings and deposited money is gone. Then one thing you will have to know is that anyone who is playing with cryptocurrency wants to be anonymous. But I don't mind registering with just my email and password, I can only get annoyed if they start asking questions that they are not meant to ask. You should have anonymous bet available, let it be a choice for users.

AFAIK if you didn't registered on any site (especially in sport betting) you don't need to deposit anything since they will provide you the box which you can placed your winning address.

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Quote from: Ucy on June 21, 2019, 11:29:25 AM

Right..
Gamblers are not required to register on physical casinos, (atleast where I live) i don't see why registering on online ones are necessary.
I understand the need to monitor people in public places but the current way of handling sensitive information is dangerous and primitive

I think the main reason an online casino needs a KYC is so that they can make sure that all their customers are over the legal age limit. In a Physical casino, It is easier to screen people as you can see them, not so easy for an Online casino. If the casino is legal, then it is most likely to have KYC(there are a few exceptions). It is not to snoop on your activity but more so that they can make sure their customer base is of a legal age. Another possible reason is, Most of the casinos are running some sort of Bonuses. Kyc is needed so that a player cant take advantage of the bonuses by creating multiple accounts and tilting the odds in his favor for earning the bonus easily. Although, I'd like a casino to not have KYC and let me be anonymous but I can understand why they do need KYC.

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Quote from: Betwrong on June 23, 2019, 02:51:58 AM

Quote from: Ucy on June 21, 2019, 11:29:25 AM

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Gamblers are not required to register on physical casinos, (atleast where I live) i don't see why registering on online ones are necessary.
I understand the need to monitor people in public places but the current way of handling sensitive information is dangerous and primitive

I agree with you, not requiring any registration in land based casinos and, at the same time, requiring personal data on online registration doesn't make sense and also looks unfair. I would not be surprised if it turns out that these laws were lobbied by land based casinos, so that gamblers would prefer going to them. Also, it's a primitive way of catching criminals, if you ask me. If they wanted to launder their money, of course they would not provide their personal info to an online casino, but would go to a land based one instead.

On the contrary, I don’t think that is true. Offline casinos have no business with the affairs of online gambling and it is not in their power to influence the decision of online casino sites. I feel the reason why personal details are required in online gambling is still because of money launders and minors.

The reason why these information might not really be need in an offline casino center is this, there is physical contact and sometimes even without getting the players information, the operators can guess if the player is of age and also there’s something called instinct. They can as well always guess if the player is into money laundering by appearance but this is not possible with online, so requesting for information will be the only way out.

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Its truly important, anonymity is a crucial feature, many people don't like to expose themselves in gambling and anonymity could help the gambler from restricted country to play the game, and crypto gambling is famous because of its anonymity, so this feature is a must in crypto gambling

Yea, it’s really very important. Especially with the bad reputation on gambling, no gambler would be glad to be publicly known to be a gambler but instead would enjoy to play secretly why they can deny the game openly and another vital point is for the benefits of people gambling from countries where gambling is prohibited.

I have friends I have known from online casinos and most of them play from countries where gambling is illegal, they are able to do this by using a hidden vpn and am sure it’s truly helpful, I honestly think for as long as gambling remains, gamblers would always prefer to keep their identity undisclosed

If there’s any reason why people like to keep their identity safe in gambling, I want to believe it should be more or less for safety, not because of whatsoever reputation reason you mentioned above. This has nothing to do with gambling because if the reputation of gambling was that bad, then we won’t be having more gamblers by the day

Please note that gambling secretly in a country where gambling is prohibited is still disobedience to the law. Its simple, if your country declares the game illegal, then stay off, there’s no point going through the back door to play. So I feel your friends are only taking a risk that is not worth taking at all.

So are you saying in essence that gambling has a good reputation? Am sorry to say, if reputation is the reason why anyone fears to drop their details on a gambling site, then I think it’s absolutely correct, don’t be deceived by the number of people that register into gambling, they only do that because they’ve been deceived.

Gambling is scam and anyone that’s even gambling at all is already taking a risk, more or less now dropping vital information on a gambling site. That’s a higher risk and I think it’s of no use taking such risk at all.

there are sites thats displays the number of registered users and most of them are scams . a real and legit site wont display thier statistics such as registered users because they will only look shady if they do it . gambling isnt also a scam but its a game .

the risk is part of the game and lastly anonymous betting is also a desired feature because people especially gamblers love to hide thier selves so that no one will question them if they won huge amount of cash .

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Its truly important, anonymity is a crucial feature, many people don't like to expose themselves in gambling and anonymity could help the gambler from restricted country to play the game, and crypto gambling is famous because of its anonymity, so this feature is a must in crypto gambling

Yea, it’s really very important. Especially with the bad reputation on gambling, no gambler would be glad to be publicly known to be a gambler but instead would enjoy to play secretly why they can deny the game openly and another vital point is for the benefits of people gambling from countries where gambling is prohibited.

I have friends I have known from online casinos and most of them play from countries where gambling is illegal, they are able to do this by using a hidden vpn and am sure it’s truly helpful, I honestly think for as long as gambling remains, gamblers would always prefer to keep their identity undisclosed

If there’s any reason why people like to keep their identity safe in gambling, I want to believe it should be more or less for safety, not because of whatsoever reputation reason you mentioned above. This has nothing to do with gambling because if the reputation of gambling was that bad, then we won’t be having more gamblers by the day

Please note that gambling secretly in a country where gambling is prohibited is still disobedience to the law. Its simple, if your country declares the game illegal, then stay off, there’s no point going through the back door to play. So I feel your friends are only taking a risk that is not worth taking at all.

So are you saying in essence that gambling has a good reputation? Am sorry to say, if reputation is the reason why anyone fears to drop their details on a gambling site, then I think it’s absolutely correct, don’t be deceived by the number of people that register into gambling, they only do that because they’ve been deceived.

Gambling is scam and anyone that’s even gambling at all is already taking a risk, more or less now dropping vital information on a gambling site. That’s a higher risk and I think it’s of no use taking such risk at all.

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Quote from: maydna on June 25, 2019, 12:22:16 AM

I guess there are many anonymous betting and recommended the betting site for the gamblers who don't want to send any documents, so you don't have to do KYC. That will better for you because you can prevent the bad things that might happen with the site and besides that, you can feel fine to play in that site. You don't have to think negative after you send the document because usually, when we send the document, sometimes we think what will happen next after the document was sent to them.

Anonymous betting can be a good reason for gamblers to play gambling game because they can play gambling without using their real identity, and they can prevent the illegal things that might happen.

The only reason so many enjoy to gamble secretly is nothing more but for safety and I don’t think any site can be 100% trusted enough to lave such vital information. Do not forget that there could be times this site gets hacked and the information on the database gets exposed. Bear in mind that When gamblers say they cannot expose their information because they do not trust the site, it does not necessarily mean that the site is not of good reputation but in gambling anything can happen.

I have heard stories of cases where a site gets hacked and the client’s information get passed to a third party. It’s a matter of decision, those who see nothing wrong with gambling on a KYC regulation site can go ahead, but for those of us who have a thing against it, I feel our reason should not be seen as flimsy.

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Just imagine there are whales or high roller do you think they would use a site that would giveaway their real information?
Just imagine a site that would use your real name when you are chatting and when other players view your profile it would show your personal details such as your name and other stuff .
Do you think that they would continue to use knowing that some people would target them in real life?
Anonymity in gambling is what we are looking for and for that reason we are avoiding a gambling site with a KYC to know that our personal data isn't required and we could play safely.

Honestly bro, it makes no sense at all to me and this is the very reason why I avoid KYC as plague, what differentiates it from traditional gambling. For me, I would never play games on KYC site while I risk my information been exposed to a third party.

I have one policy never to fill a KYC on any gambling site, because I always had fear and especially the fact that those sites cannot be trusted, it stands a chance of being hacked and it will be very risky. Well I understand there are so many people who see nothing wrong with KYC, different people to what they belief and their choices, so its always individual differences.

I don’t think any gambler is interested in leaving a trace of their identity online, so I don’t blame you at all. The KYC regulation to me is absolute scab considering the agenda of Cryptocurrency. The essence of crypto is mainly for anonymity, so I do see any reason for KYC on casino sites.

I believing that exposing our identity online has the ability to turn us into victim of exploitation. I have heard so many reports of how some casinos site use the information of their players in bad faith. Too many shady activities like account hacking and impersonation and this is the main reason why I detest KYC and I do hope its eradicated soon.

I believe the few people you know that are victims of exploitation as a result of leaving their information’s on an online site did that on a scam site. There’s no real casino site that would do that to its player and I believe they are even more interested in the safety of their gamblers than even the money they stand to gain

For me, once I have verified that a site is truly reputable, I would not see any challenge with filing the KYC form on the site because I believe they already have a name, and will do all that’s within their power to keep the information safe. Moreover the reason why casino sites request for KYC is justified.

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Quote from: idreamin3d on June 07, 2019, 02:59:33 AM

I'm working on a football (soccer) betting site, and I'd like to know if it is worth the effort to add the feature to allow no-registration bets. Has it ever been a deciding factor when you pick a site to bet on?

Im interested in any updates you have with your site.
You seem to be a developer hard at work so I dont want to be a pest but we are interested in how the Beta is doing.

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