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legendary
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July 01, 2024, 08:11:20 AM

And maybe I will say that one of the reasons why gamblers don't think in that direction or in the analogy that you have conveyed above is because the object of winning in gambling is "money", and everyone can never lie that they always need it. and want money, meaning that because of the object of winning this is why the majority of gamblers ignore the negative side of gambling. And also I think if gambling only has the possibility of losing without providing a chance of winning then I think no one will ever want to gamble.

Talking about dopamine, does it mean that gambling wouldn't increase dopamine if money wasn't involved?Although the point of gambling would be worthless for not having any reward. Viewing the game as a means of earning or losing money is quite the natural appearance of gambling. And people can't forget it easily. That's why most players always think they'll lose money in gambling. This only makes them want to lose more, because they'll hardly stop a session after experiencing multiple losses. The current form of online gambling can slow down the understanding of gambling for an individual new player. We easily learn from associating with people on same boat with us. Playing all alone makes a player to have limited amount of knowledge or understanding of how gambling work.

In my opinion, it is clear that it is because of the presence of money that makes a person experience increased levels of dopamine in the brain, the various sensations that are evoked in each spin are because the spin looks very good in the sense of having the potential to be profitable so that gamblers feel very happy (even though anything is still possible) . We can't lie that money is everything, and if someone only wants entertainment without any money behind winning then I think gambling will not be an option, because there are many other options that can also provide entertainment without involving risk.

But so far gambling is more often used as a choice when they have money to gamble, I understand that someone can still feel entertainment even if for example they don't win, but the opportunity to win in gambling is an additional point to be able to further increase the sensation and dopamine levels in the brain. In fact, as long as you or anyone else is able to treat gambling well based on correct understanding and without exceeding your limits then it won't be a problem, because so far the majority of cases of people who have lost significant amounts of money are those who don't understand. and realize that there is a much greater risk.
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July 01, 2024, 07:25:05 AM
I see some gamblers who cannot control their finances and emotions so they will be in the situation you mentioned. To be honest, I don't like someone who uses their daily grocery money or most of their salary to gamble. Especially if you are an employee and think about becoming a successful person. One must save and invest. They also have to be able to manage their finances. Especially if they already have a family. It is important to be able to manage finances and manage emotions well. I think guilt is proof that you have indeed done something wrong. You have spent all your money on gambling and you should be able to buy something useful. Start managing your finances well so you can see how much budget you have for the fun you have.
People who consider gambling as a pleasure will definitely make financial arrangements to be able to gamble every day because it is not recommended for everyone to gamble with all their money so that they cannot enjoy delicious food and cannot support their own family. I also agree more with the advice you say because from what I have seen, some people who are starting to get addicted to gambling also have to manage their finances well before they really suffer because they experience more losses when gambling.

Yeah, that's the reason why it is better to gamble within your budget; only allocate a certain amount for gambling every month and don't spend more than your budget. By doing so, it will help reduce the risk of becoming addicted and also prevent the person from spending unnecessarily on gambling. Some people fail to gamble within their budgets, which is why they easily lose control and become addicted to gambling. Anything that someone is doing in life, as soon as they lack self-control and discipline, can make them start doing the wrong thing, and also, when someone has wrong information or a misconception about something, it makes them do the wrong thing. Some people see gambling as an occupation, but it is not. Winning is based on luck and not how much you lose. 
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July 01, 2024, 07:14:21 AM
When they have been gambling for a long time and then become poor but they don't realize it, and instead they continue to gamble then they have experienced an addiction. Because maybe, by betting they get pleasure which is basically just the mindset of those who feel this, but for those of us who see it, it is certainly quite worrying. Therefore, perhaps a good social environment will also make gambling addicts aware, and able to start eliminating their gambling habits and provide jobs that can keep them away from gambling. Thus, gambling addicts can become dangerous to society, but the role of society is also enough to make them recover from gambling addiction.

This is what is called addiction, they don't have a healthy mind. If they have not gambled there is a sense that may be lacking and must be fulfilled immediately. It seems that not only the people, it takes a psychologist to heal them and it takes a lot of time.

They are not aware that they have become addicted, when I notice some gamblers and gambling victims in my neighborhood they tend to be closed. Gamblers and gambling victims do not get along much with the surrounding community. They seem to tend to be introverted, which is why it is quite difficult to establish good communication with them.
Being addicted to something is very dangerous because without you knowing that thing is indirectly your God and you are by all means a servant of that thing and that's why gambler don't tend to know themselves whenever their master calls them which is the habit they are addicted to and most of them do get all violent when they can't seem to have access to that same cause of the addiction.
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July 01, 2024, 06:57:17 AM
When they have been gambling for a long time and then become poor but they don't realize it, and instead they continue to gamble then they have experienced an addiction. Because maybe, by betting they get pleasure which is basically just the mindset of those who feel this, but for those of us who see it, it is certainly quite worrying. Therefore, perhaps a good social environment will also make gambling addicts aware, and able to start eliminating their gambling habits and provide jobs that can keep them away from gambling. Thus, gambling addicts can become dangerous to society, but the role of society is also enough to make them recover from gambling addiction.

This is what is called addiction, they don't have a healthy mind. If they have not gambled there is a sense that may be lacking and must be fulfilled immediately. It seems that not only the people, it takes a psychologist to heal them and it takes a lot of time.

They are not aware that they have become addicted, when I notice some gamblers and gambling victims in my neighborhood they tend to be closed. Gamblers and gambling victims do not get along much with the surrounding community. They seem to tend to be introverted, which is why it is quite difficult to establish good communication with them.
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June 30, 2024, 06:02:22 PM
I could say yes in the sense that there are alot gambling abuse, people approaching gambling the wrong way, it is only those who approaches gambling in terms of profits maximization or as a hustle to earn a living. There is no restrictions on how anyone can spend his or her money anyone can do whatever they like, what the government could have done is to organize a sensitization campaign program that will reduce the act of irresponsible gambling and it's negative effect which are too numerous to mention, if gambling itself where that bad I believed it wouldn't have been legalized which has given a certain level of freedom to the society generally.
It is common that maximum people in the gamble industry want to make more and more money within a short time while there happens a lot of abusing in various way which may make the person into a bad way which may effects not only on the life of the people but also in the life of others in the society.
Yes, gambling not only causes many consequences for the players themselves but also their families and society. Gambling is one of the potential causes of many negative consequences for society (such as debt, and mortgaging assets). Giving rise to many other crimes and violations of law such as "black credit" activities, fraud, robbery, robbery, property theft...

But even if we prohibit gambling, it won't help, Players also find ways to play. Gambling needs to be legalized. Potential economic benefits, including job creation and tourism development. I support expanding gambling activities with the potential to generate revenue for the government and tax casino income. Legalizing gambling and betting in a strict, thorough open, and determined way is probably something the government should care about because the people's needs are very great and real.
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June 30, 2024, 05:30:49 PM
I could say yes in the sense that there are alot gambling abuse, people approaching gambling the wrong way, it is only those who approaches gambling in terms of profits maximization or as a hustle to earn a living. There is no restrictions on how anyone can spend his or her money anyone can do whatever they like, what the government could have done is to organize a sensitization campaign program that will reduce the act of irresponsible gambling and it's negative effect which are too numerous to mention, if gambling itself where that bad I believed it wouldn't have been legalized which has given a certain level of freedom to the society generally.
It is common that maximum people in the gamble industry want to make more and more money within a short time while there happens a lot of abusing in various way which may make the person into a bad way which may effects not only on the life of the people but also in the life of others in the society.
Yes it is true that there are some gamblers whose main target is to become rich overnight within a short period of time. Due to this greed there are many gamblers who bet on gambling eventually these gamblers become bankrupt due to money loss and this affects other family members. On the one hand mental disturbance and on the other hand attraction towards gambling comes down to inhuman abuse of wives to manage gambling money. Today, violence against women and wife killing has become a common picture in our country, one of the main causes of which is gambling.
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June 30, 2024, 04:35:29 PM
I could say yes in the sense that there are alot gambling abuse, people approaching gambling the wrong way, it is only those who approaches gambling in terms of profits maximization or as a hustle to earn a living. There is no restrictions on how anyone can spend his or her money anyone can do whatever they like, what the government could have done is to organize a sensitization campaign program that will reduce the act of irresponsible gambling and it's negative effect which are too numerous to mention, if gambling itself where that bad I believed it wouldn't have been legalized which has given a certain level of freedom to the society generally.
It is common that maximum people in the gamble industry want to make more and more money within a short time while there happens a lot of abusing in various way which may make the person into a bad way which may effects not only on the life of the people but also in the life of others in the society.
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June 30, 2024, 01:54:40 PM
Better say it that reckless, greedy and stupid people are bad for society. Calling whole gambling industry bad only when some individuals cant handle money properly is nonsense. People consider gambling bad, because people lose money on it. Then turns out that money is bad too? People say that "Wealth is evil for fools". People should stop look on gambling only from "losing money point of view" and they then will have a better understanding of gambling.
Your opinion is correct, that indeed should not look at gambling from the point of view of losing money, only greedy and irresponsible fools will kill themselves at gambling, if you think carefully gambling offers entertainment, and entertainment wherever it is is a place to waste money, like we are on vacation at the beach of course we need money to spend if we go to the beach, why not have that thought right? it's just that some stupid people make gambling a place to make money not a place to find pleasure.


And maybe I will say that one of the reasons why gamblers don't think in that direction or in the analogy that you have conveyed above is because the object of winning in gambling is "money", and everyone can never lie that they always need it. and want money, meaning that because of the object of winning this is why the majority of gamblers ignore the negative side of gambling. And also I think if gambling only has the possibility of losing without providing a chance of winning then I think no one will ever want to gamble.

Talking about dopamine, does it mean that gambling wouldn't increase dopamine if money wasn't involved?Although the point of gambling would be worthless for not having any reward. Viewing the game as a means of earning or losing money is quite the natural appearance of gambling. And people can't forget it easily. That's why most players always think they'll lose money in gambling. This only makes them want to lose more, because they'll hardly stop a session after experiencing multiple losses. The current form of online gambling can slow down the understanding of gambling for an individual new player. We easily learn from associating with people on same boat with us. Playing all alone makes a player to have limited amount of knowledge or understanding of how gambling work.
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June 30, 2024, 01:24:57 PM
Better say it that reckless, greedy and stupid people are bad for society. Calling whole gambling industry bad only when some individuals cant handle money properly is nonsense. People consider gambling bad, because people lose money on it. Then turns out that money is bad too? People say that "Wealth is evil for fools". People should stop look on gambling only from "losing money point of view" and they then will have a better understanding of gambling.
Your opinion is correct, that indeed should not look at gambling from the point of view of losing money, only greedy and irresponsible fools will kill themselves at gambling, if you think carefully gambling offers entertainment, and entertainment wherever it is is a place to waste money, like we are on vacation at the beach of course we need money to spend if we go to the beach, why not have that thought right? it's just that some stupid people make gambling a place to make money not a place to find pleasure.

You give a pretty good analogy in this regard, and yes I admit that treating gambling as a place to lose money can be useful in generating various forms of caution and vigilance. Gambling is a game to increase dopamine levels in the brain so that it can cause an exciting sensation, and yes gambling can be interpreted as a form of entertainment activity where as you have said, in the context of entertainment then yes it is a situation for us to waste - waste money, but awareness must still be maintained, lest we spend too much money at one time on something that is not very important, meaning there must be limits.

And maybe I will say that one of the reasons why gamblers don't think in that direction or in the analogy that you have conveyed above is because the object of winning in gambling is "money", and everyone can never lie that they always need it. and want money, meaning that because of the object of winning this is why the majority of gamblers ignore the negative side of gambling. And also I think if gambling only has the possibility of losing without providing a chance of winning then I think no one will ever want to gamble.
Unfortunately, the context of money in the mindset of gamblers is used as a dogma in their lives that makes them believe that they will get money from gambling, I also do not deny that some gambling advertisements say that you have the opportunity to get money when you play in their casinos, this is also not entirely wrong for the public to think that gambling can make money, this is what needs to be realized that some bad casinos never teach their customers to gamble responsibly or do not warn them to have gambling limits, especially illegal casinos.

I am is quite difficult to interpret that who is ultimately at fault if we examine this context, it's just that maybe what we can emphasize is that people can be aware and not stupid in gambling, that casinos are a business there is no way they give money to us for free unless they want to give us a bonus that we can consider a fortune/lucky from the gambling we do, but most people always think that we can get money easily from gambling.
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June 30, 2024, 12:25:52 PM
Better say it that reckless, greedy and stupid people are bad for society. Calling whole gambling industry bad only when some individuals cant handle money properly is nonsense. People consider gambling bad, because people lose money on it. Then turns out that money is bad too? People say that "Wealth is evil for fools". People should stop look on gambling only from "losing money point of view" and they then will have a better understanding of gambling.
Your opinion is correct, that indeed should not look at gambling from the point of view of losing money, only greedy and irresponsible fools will kill themselves at gambling, if you think carefully gambling offers entertainment, and entertainment wherever it is is a place to waste money, like we are on vacation at the beach of course we need money to spend if we go to the beach, why not have that thought right? it's just that some stupid people make gambling a place to make money not a place to find pleasure.
But we do know that it would really be still directly be seen about gambling on which it would really be getting that main attention when it comes on being a bad thing in the end of the day without
even trying to look on whose the doer of the actions been made on whereas this would really be the main reason on why they do really end up on such unfortunate condition on which we know that
when it comes to this aspect then it would really be always that basing up on the actions and decisions been made. Doing gambling isnt that bad as long you do make yourself that responsible in towards your actions towards it then there would really be no issues or problems that you would really be able to face on. When it comes to this aspect then results or outcomes would really be varying into this in regard.
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June 30, 2024, 12:21:21 PM
Better say it that reckless, greedy and stupid people are bad for society. Calling whole gambling industry bad only when some individuals cant handle money properly is nonsense. People consider gambling bad, because people lose money on it. Then turns out that money is bad too? People say that "Wealth is evil for fools". People should stop look on gambling only from "losing money point of view" and they then will have a better understanding of gambling.
Your opinion is correct, that indeed should not look at gambling from the point of view of losing money, only greedy and irresponsible fools will kill themselves at gambling, if you think carefully gambling offers entertainment, and entertainment wherever it is is a place to waste money, like we are on vacation at the beach of course we need money to spend if we go to the beach, why not have that thought right? it's just that some stupid people make gambling a place to make money not a place to find pleasure.

You give a pretty good analogy in this regard, and yes I admit that treating gambling as a place to lose money can be useful in generating various forms of caution and vigilance. Gambling is a game to increase dopamine levels in the brain so that it can cause an exciting sensation, and yes gambling can be interpreted as a form of entertainment activity where as you have said, in the context of entertainment then yes it is a situation for us to waste - waste money, but awareness must still be maintained, lest we spend too much money at one time on something that is not very important, meaning there must be limits.

And maybe I will say that one of the reasons why gamblers don't think in that direction or in the analogy that you have conveyed above is because the object of winning in gambling is "money", and everyone can never lie that they always need it. and want money, meaning that because of the object of winning this is why the majority of gamblers ignore the negative side of gambling. And also I think if gambling only has the possibility of losing without providing a chance of winning then I think no one will ever want to gamble.
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June 30, 2024, 12:04:16 PM
Its not about losing money or winning, its the circulation of money between winners and losers.  Attribution of risk is not exclusive to gambling, its right across a broad spectrum of the finance industry.  

Insurance, finance, lending, investment are all about guessing the outcome of an unknown race usually in business but also natural circumstances and risk situations.  None of those businesses are described as negative yet some want to label gambling as all negative.
  Never gamble with money you cannot lose, beyond this simple rule you are free to play this game guilt free imo.
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June 30, 2024, 11:44:59 AM
Better say it that reckless, greedy and stupid people are bad for society. Calling whole gambling industry bad only when some individuals cant handle money properly is nonsense. People consider gambling bad, because people lose money on it. Then turns out that money is bad too? People say that "Wealth is evil for fools". People should stop look on gambling only from "losing money point of view" and they then will have a better understanding of gambling.
Your opinion is correct, that indeed should not look at gambling from the point of view of losing money, only greedy and irresponsible fools will kill themselves at gambling, if you think carefully gambling offers entertainment, and entertainment wherever it is is a place to waste money, like we are on vacation at the beach of course we need money to spend if we go to the beach, why not have that thought right? it's just that some stupid people make gambling a place to make money not a place to find pleasure.
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June 30, 2024, 11:37:29 AM
Bad gambling practice affect the gambler more than it affect others because the chances of a gambler taking to crime as a result of gambling is very low because such would have weighed the consequences of such decision. Indeed the data of crime rate from gambling is very low and almost negligible. There are many things that affect the society more such as bad leadership and bad government policies, and gambling is the last thing people think about when talking about things that affect the society negatively, so how is gambling bad for the society? Gambling is just like every other business that have risk attached to it. Even with the risk, many people now have hope of a better life because of gambling which is famous for giving participants hope. This hope alone makes many people eschew crime and other things that might put them in trouble so they don't spoil the beautiful future that gambling can give to them.
Gambling has been there for long time and the rate of gambling is very low just that it's very risky to get oneself associated when they aren't ready to bear the risk associated which includes addiction, this addiction brings lots of bad effects to the gambler himself but the ability for them to manage their actions and involvements makes them a better gambler by entirely eliminate greed. When a gambler remover this from there minds it makes it very easy to gamble safely without any involvement or property misappropriation, those who aren't apply any greed never get themselves into addiction neither are they committing crime through gambling.
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June 30, 2024, 11:27:38 AM
Better say it that reckless, greedy and stupid people are bad for society. Calling whole gambling industry bad only when some individuals cant handle money properly is nonsense. People consider gambling bad, because people lose money on it. Then turns out that money is bad too? People say that "Wealth is evil for fools". People should stop look on gambling only from "losing money point of view" and they then will have a better understanding of gambling.

I like your point very much. In fact, bad is bad brother. Yes, wealth is bad for fools. Because fools can't monitor wealth, can't maintain it. And where people lose money, from one point of view it can be said that "gambling is bad". Gambling is bad because gambling harms people. But it is clear that many people become millionaires very quickly in gambling and many become poor. That means gambling is really bad for society, for individuals, and for families. So we should all say no to Gambling.
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June 30, 2024, 11:14:10 AM
Most times the positive advantage of gambling to the society is quite anymus and we can say that most times when gambling have negative narrative it is because of underage gambling and issues with gambling addictions, this are the only negative aspect.

But if we have a close view on the positive aspects to both individual and government in terms of revenues through taxation and others., We should have a rethink towards managing the disadvantages and try to be decipline and not to be greedy with decipline and total avoidance from gambling addictions.


With such an approach one can gamble and not get into troubles, but while at that you should also know that the house will always win and there is nothing like sure bets so take the risks you can bear.
Yes we cannot say that gambling is a negative thing, from the other side there are positive things that we can find from gambling, in terms of employment gambling can open up job vacancies for someone to get a job from gambling both physical casinos and online casinos.
And we cannot avoid the negative side either because many gamblers cannot control their emotions in gambling so that they damage their own finances, such things cannot be avoided because of their own behavior, what's more underage gamblers who cannot control their emotions about the dangers of gambling, in this case the role of parents is needed, and such things cannot be avoided because of their own behavior,

It should be like that we must be disciplined and responsible in risking our finances for gambling, and avoid betting excessively because we all know the owner or the bookie who will benefit.
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June 30, 2024, 11:01:52 AM
Better say it that reckless, greedy and stupid people are bad for society. Calling whole gambling industry bad only when some individuals cant handle money properly is nonsense. People consider gambling bad, because people lose money on it. Then turns out that money is bad too? People say that "Wealth is evil for fools". People should stop look on gambling only from "losing money point of view" and they then will have a better understanding of gambling.
Bad gambling practice affect the gambler more than it affect others because the chances of a gambler taking to crime as a result of gambling is very low because such would have weighed the consequences of such decision. Indeed the data of crime rate from gambling is very low and almost negligible. There are many things that affect the society more such as bad leadership and bad government policies, and gambling is the last thing people think about when talking about things that affect the society negatively, so how is gambling bad for the society? Gambling is just like every other business that have risk attached to it. Even with the risk, many people now have hope of a better life because of gambling which is famous for giving participants hope. This hope alone makes many people eschew crime and other things that might put them in trouble so they don't spoil the beautiful future that gambling can give to them.
People think gambling is evil, but its not. You play wisely, stay in control, and its another way to make money or have fun. People losing their minds are the issue. They gambled rent and their child's college fund. It gets worse there. Then it hurts families and communities.

Thats not gambling's fault. Thats personal. Responsible gambling is excellent. Hope can keep people out of trouble. It can even become a card table community. The bottom line? Tools include gambling. It can strengthen you if used properly. Use it wrong, it can destroy you. People, self-control is key. Knowing your limits is key.
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June 30, 2024, 10:20:34 AM
Gambling will be very bad when there are no restrictions on the use of money, no management or even strategy.
Only playing directionless according to the feelings will plunge the gambler into addiction and big losses.

But this condition does not all control it, they only rely on luck.  Even though that alone is not enough, they are not able to control their emotions and manage their finances well.  It makes them even poorer, surprisingly they are not aware. There was even a statement by a minister in our country that made me laugh. Gambling victims will receive assistance from social services. Our minister is too kind, they should not deserve the help.  Grin

When they have been gambling for a long time and then become poor but they don't realize it, and instead they continue to gamble then they have experienced an addiction. Because maybe, by betting they get pleasure which is basically just the mindset of those who feel this, but for those of us who see it, it is certainly quite worrying. Therefore, perhaps a good social environment will also make gambling addicts aware, and able to start eliminating their gambling habits and provide jobs that can keep them away from gambling. Thus, gambling addicts can become dangerous to society, but the role of society is also enough to make them recover from gambling addiction.
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June 30, 2024, 10:12:06 AM
It's a fact, we as players , but first as Humans we have the Potential to make our own decisions, if we make the wrong decisions Everything will fall apart and there's nothing we can do about it, things can go well or bad, and the game is like that , and in life it is like that too, because of our decisions we are where we are at this moment,
My country prohibits gambling. But many gambling sites still exist. Prevention through socialization and blocking is not effective. Perhaps some disagree with this issue. But our country has ensured that gambling activities that occur in the community are more detrimental. There are many cases of people committing suicide because they have a lot of debt to gamble. Many house land assets were confiscated because borrowed money from banks could not be returned. This is why my country prohibits it, but this condition does come from everyone. They will have different thoughts, unqualified human resources also affect this problem. Many people don't want to work hard to earn money but they continue to gamble in hopes of making money.
Maybe the government needs to educates people so they will knows the risks of playing gambling. They don't have to playing gambling to make money because that will not guarantee them to gets the money. Many cases they already hear and knows and that must makes them stay away from gambling and not trying to playing gambling.

But even if your government prohibit gambling, people will still playing gambling because they see gambling can gives them a hope to make a big money. That's in their minds, especially when they see some people can wins the big money from the lottery games. They still attracts to try to buy many lottery tickets because they hopes that in some day, they can wins a big money so they will not stops from playing gambling to try to wins the games.

I am a person who has experienced casino bans in their country, and believe me when this happens, casinos and clandestine betting areas are created where people go and play, bet and everything is normal, all very hidden, and the governments do not want to prosper, no, that is a big lie, it is something that they make us believe, the governments only care about the benefit that they can get, when Something does not suit them, an Activity begins to say all kinds of things like that , to Protect , for something like that, but no, the governments are the ones that make us lose hope , they do not let us earn money and much less have fun.
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June 30, 2024, 07:57:32 AM
Anybody can gamble, but what differentiate an addictive gambler from a responsible gambler is that while an addictive gambler lacks knowledge about how to effectively manage his/her money, failing to know when to start, on the on other hand, a responsible gambler is that who knows that know to start, while knowing fully well that gambling is a luck base game, and as result of that, it's only idea to wager what you can afford to lose at the time of gambling. Hence, let's not forget that skill, knowledge and patience are three key factors that makes or constitutes a responsible gambling.
But skills are only used for playing games like live poker or sports betting. When you are playing dice or slots, no skills are needed.
Yes, it's true that no skill is needed for both games you mentioned above, as they are generally luck base games.

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