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Quote from: TopT3ns on October 15, 2022, 03:32:10 AM

Quote from: adzino on October 14, 2022, 09:32:35 PM

Loot boxes and stuffs like those are already considered as gambling. And I think there are countries that have put a ban on loot boxes if I remember correctly. It doesn't have to be for profit. If you put your money and you receive random things from a list of things that you wanted, then it is considered as gambling. And yes, those who buy loot boxes or play those game of chances will highly likely start gambling or playing in the casino than those that avoid those activities while gaming.

Gambling can happen in any game that often makes them Top Up, because that way game developers have the opportunity to earn money and make the game have a long life because usually that way developers get money from their deposit or Top Up to buy game servers. so the games they play are still there, so when there are those who often do gambling in games and switch to casino gambling they will not be surprised because they are used to doing when in games.

Maybe the gamer will not realize that what they are doing is included in the gambling because they think they are depositing a certain amount of money to get certain items from the game.
But if they don't deposit money to buy those items, they will still be gamers but I think it will be difficult for real gamers if they don't update their characters to achieve top performance in that game.
Usually, a true gamer will try to get the rare items sold in the market; if so, it is not a gamble because he is buying something he wants.
And to switch to gambling or stay in the game, I guess it will depend on each person.

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Quote from: adzino on October 14, 2022, 09:32:35 PM

Loot boxes and stuffs like those are already considered as gambling. And I think there are countries that have put a ban on loot boxes if I remember correctly. It doesn't have to be for profit. If you put your money and you receive random things from a list of things that you wanted, then it is considered as gambling. And yes, those who buy loot boxes or play those game of chances will highly likely start gambling or playing in the casino than those that avoid those activities while gaming.

Gambling can happen in any game that often makes them Top Up, because that way game developers have the opportunity to earn money and make the game have a long life because usually that way developers get money from their deposit or Top Up to buy game servers. so the games they play are still there, so when there are those who often do gambling in games and switch to casino gambling they will not be surprised because they are used to doing when in games.

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Maybe that user is spending things in games like doing a gacha game which in fact can be treated as gambling if the desired items inside the gacha were unable to get. The items inside the gacha is not guaranteed and RNG will be applied. There are cases in online games where even after spending lots of money, still they can't their target items on gacha.

Well, on today most online games, spending things is common. You can buy items, game currencies, etc. these games are also addicting but i won't considered them as gambling. Although gacha, claw machines are considered as gambling by others and its true coz you can only play it after you spend like gambling for depositing.
But one thing not all games are gambling, unlike OP is saying.

Gacha is commonly embedded on a lot of online games nowadays that it's becoming a tiresome thing. Back then you can buy high-class weapons without worrying about getting a shit item because of the lootbox system. It's like the entire online gaming industry is slowly turning towards a gacha-based item shop mixed with lots of microtransactions. Sounds insanely unreal but it's the direction we're heading right now unfortunately, so you can somewhat consider online games as gambling, as you're betting that you'll not get shit items from the loot box.

This is because they know that by doing this they can extract even more profits from their customers, but this is insane, I still remember the days in which you could buy a game and the game already came with all the necessary content and you did not needed to buy anything extra.

Now you are sold the game in portions and each expansion is as costly as the main game, that was already bad enough but now they added gacha to all of this, which explains why I am less and less interested in games in general.

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Quote from: Saisher on October 04, 2022, 07:02:02 PM

I always consider gaming as gambling I have seen many gamblers spend a lot of money for their character and to level up their account for future profit, like selling their stuff and their character.

If you're a gamer or someone is a gamer and would like to try to gamble in online casinos will it become an easy transition as all the elements of gambling are present when you're a gamer, or does a gamer have to start all over again, and have a different motivation and mindset?

Loot boxes and stuffs like those are already considered as gambling. And I think there are countries that have put a ban on loot boxes if I remember correctly. It doesn't have to be for profit. If you put your money and you receive random things from a list of things that you wanted, then it is considered as gambling. And yes, those who buy loot boxes or play those game of chances will highly likely start gambling or playing in the casino than those that avoid those activities while gaming.

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Quote from: PX-Z on October 14, 2022, 07:41:41 PM

Quote from: agustina2 on October 14, 2022, 07:33:27 PM

Maybe that user is spending things in games like doing a gacha game which in fact can be treated as gambling if the desired items inside the gacha were unable to get. The items inside the gacha is not guaranteed and RNG will be applied. There are cases in online games where even after spending lots of money, still they can't their target items on gacha.

Well, on today most online games, spending things is common. You can buy items, game currencies, etc. these games are also addicting but i won't considered them as gambling. Although gacha, claw machines are considered as gambling by others and its true coz you can only play it after you spend like gambling for depositing.
But one thing not all games are gambling, unlike OP is saying.

Gacha is commonly embedded on a lot of online games nowadays that it's becoming a tiresome thing. Back then you can buy high-class weapons without worrying about getting a shit item because of the lootbox system. It's like the entire online gaming industry is slowly turning towards a gacha-based item shop mixed with lots of microtransactions. Sounds insanely unreal but it's the direction we're heading right now unfortunately, so you can somewhat consider online games as gambling, as you're betting that you'll not get shit items from the loot box.

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Quote from: Oceat on October 14, 2022, 07:27:40 PM

I would say that they are both(gambling is a game) but you are just actually missing something because if you are a gamer you will discover everything along the way by repeating the process everytime you fail since there's no limit to how many times you will die cause you will just respawn. But when you say about gambling it's a different type of game and certainly you will discover more and more along the way too but at the cost of money unlike when you are playing you will only just abuse the given unlimited respawning.

Well I agree with what you said because indeed in the game there is a Gacha system that has to use rare coins to exchange it for something you want but it doesn't necessarily match what you want because what you get is random, a game that often do "Gacha" as an example is Line Get Rich and so on.

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Quote from: Saisher on October 04, 2022, 07:02:02 PM

I always consider gaming as gambling I have seen many gamblers spend a lot of money for their character and to level up their account for future profit, like selling their stuff and their character.

If you're a gamer or someone is a gamer and would like to try to gamble in online casinos will it become an easy transition as all the elements of gambling are present when you're a gamer, or does a gamer have to start all over again, and have a different motivation and mindset?

I do see this attempt as a easy transition because the person must have been used to how the gaming world is with so much experience on how they will be able to handle gambling just like many of the gambling games that are available on many casinos. Some gambling games that are available on some casinos are just like normal game characters where we can always play and enjoy different adventures as we keep playing.
Some of the good gamblers we have now are once a good gamers before jumping into gambling where they gain more passion and earn profits since that is one of the sole reasons why many of us choose to gamble and keep playing bets.

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Quote from: agustina2 on October 14, 2022, 07:33:27 PM

Maybe that user is spending things in games like doing a gacha game which in fact can be treated as gambling if the desired items inside the gacha were unable to get. The items inside the gacha is not guaranteed and RNG will be applied. There are cases in online games where even after spending lots of money, still they can't their target items on gacha.

Well, on today most online games, spending things is common. You can buy items, game currencies, etc. these games are also addicting but i won't considered them as gambling. Although gacha, claw machines are considered as gambling by others and its true coz you can only play it after you spend like gambling for depositing.
But one thing not all games are gambling, unlike OP is saying.

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Quote from: PX-Z on October 14, 2022, 07:23:07 PM

Quote from: Saisher on October 04, 2022, 07:02:02 PM

I always consider gaming as gambling

Why? Games are different from gamble the same to a gamer from a gambler.
You can say a gambler is a gamer too, because it is really a game to bet. But saying a gamer is a gambler is different thing. Try to open a dictionary or google about what is considered gambling, a game to gambling.
Of course the transition is so easy between the two coz we are all talking about games.

Maybe that user is spending things in games like doing a gacha game which in fact can be treated as gambling if the desired items inside the gacha were unable to get. The items inside the gacha is not guaranteed and RNG will be applied. There are cases in online games where even after spending lots of money, still they can't their target items on gacha.

Just my thought on why that user considers games are gambling which if true, then that's gambling.

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I would say that they are both(gambling is a game) but you are just actually missing something because if you are a gamer you will discover everything along the way by repeating the process everytime you fail since there's no limit to how many times you will die cause you will just respawn. But when you say about gambling it's a different type of game and certainly you will discover more and more along the way too but at the cost of money unlike when you are playing you will only just abuse the given unlimited respawning.

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Quote from: Saisher on October 04, 2022, 07:02:02 PM

I always consider gaming as gambling

Why? Games are different from gamble the same to a gamer from a gambler.
You can say a gambler is a gamer too, because it is really a game to bet. But saying a gamer is a gambler is different thing. Try to open a dictionary or google about what is considered gambling, a game to gambling.
Of course the transition is so easy between the two coz we are all talking about games.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on October 14, 2022, 06:43:20 PM

Quote from: Saisher on October 04, 2022, 07:02:02 PM

If you're a gamer or someone is a gamer and would like to try to gamble in online casinos will it become an easy transition as all the elements of gambling are present when you're a gamer, or does a gamer have to start all over again, and have a different motivation and mindset?

A gamer commonly has their own management of games, having more characteristics to play a game, good management of the time, and also funds because gamers will commonly use the money to manage their performance.
I never see directly a gamer into gambling. But, if a common person can do this, gamers will probably be easier to do this, for, they may have been usual with some game management and moreover the emotion controls. Although not all gamers have good emotional control, at least they have been usual with the certain transition from losing to winning and vice versa.
Gamers are also commonly more skillful in some games and this may be good as a basic skill for gambling, although this will also depend on what game they are playing and gambling.

Even if you arent a gamer or having just only that knowledge on basic computer operation skills and awareness then you could easily switch up or able to cope up on learning gambling right away.
It would really be just depending on what type of kind of gambler whether luck based or sports betting which would be requiring knowledge and analysis.
When you are a pc gamer then it wont really be that much hard thing on making transition on making yourself a gambler.You do know the simple or basic instruction or operation
on which these things could do witch you could really easily understand.

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Quote from: Saisher on October 04, 2022, 07:02:02 PM

If you're a gamer or someone is a gamer and would like to try to gamble in online casinos will it become an easy transition as all the elements of gambling are present when you're a gamer, or does a gamer have to start all over again, and have a different motivation and mindset?

A gamer commonly has their own management of games, having more characteristics to play a game, good management of the time, and also funds because gamers will commonly use the money to manage their performance.
I never see directly a gamer into gambling. But, if a common person can do this, gamers will probably be easier to do this, for, they may have been usual with some game management and moreover the emotion controls. Although not all gamers have good emotional control, at least they have been usual with the certain transition from losing to winning and vice versa.
Gamers are also commonly more skillful in some games and this may be good as a basic skill for gambling, although this will also depend on what game they are playing and gambling.

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Gambling is a game, its just a different background and emphasis to its gameplay. Some games I've played you are partly gambling anyway or part of the game is a gamble though its usually around aesthetics rather then winning or losing the game. People take gambling a bit too seriously I think, I understand wanting to win but it is a game in effect and you will pay a price to play it. Accepting the game, its rules and the bias there is towards paying something for the experience of playing is most realistic then believing any delusion its about making money; at the very least you must master the game before considering any profit possible not the other way round.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on October 13, 2022, 04:58:13 PM

In my view, gaming has nothing to do with gambling. This can also be the pitfall for gamers, who think they have an advantage because of their gaming experience. If you're really going to gamble, it doesn't matter how much experience you have in gaming. We all know you're not going to make it against a casino in the end. With gaming you are in principle in control and you are responsible for the end result through your own input. That is not the case at all at a casino. There are also many gamers who have tried their luck at poker, but most without success.

Games are not made to lose you in the long run. In normal games, you clear up levels and attain the highest characters and powers in the game. Game developers earn money through ads and other stuff and they are not worried about your progress in the game.

Gambling is a little different, as the intention is to earn the money right for the beginning. The gamblers are more interested to gain money and are not too worried about the fun part. The fun is usually linked with the money in gambling. As long as you are winning, you will have fun.

A gambling house's main source of income is the money that you put into wagering. So they won't let you win and gambling houses are also there to make money.

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Quote from: Saisher on October 04, 2022, 07:02:02 PM

I always consider gaming as gambling I have seen many gamblers spend a lot of money for their character and to level up their account for future profit, like selling their stuff and their character.

If you're a gamer or someone is a gamer and would like to try to gamble in online casinos will it become an easy transition as all the elements of gambling are present when you're a gamer, or does a gamer have to start all over again, and have a different motivation and mindset?

Might the transition is not fast but I know that was not hard for them. In fact, some online games had turned to gamble, there is money involved already. But I see there is a different approach when regards to gambling in casinos, it was more intense than you are just having fun playing games like a usual thing we do when there is money on the table.

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If I am to look at gaming in terms of the those that are conversant with a game lik PlayStation and Fifa in contrast to gambling as per sportsbook, you surely have a one way pass already.
Your already familiar with the team strength, player rankings and even the fifa ratings of each team and that is one step to look at in making predictions.
The next is getting familiar with the rules of the gambling industry as per how to place bets and the various options there in and your almost ready to go.
Transition from gamer to gambler is more swift than someone just starting from the scratch.

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Quote from: madnessteat on October 14, 2022, 08:11:14 AM

To play a good game you also have to pay money for it as for the game in the casino, many online games also have the opportunity to do in-game purchases.

If a person can't control himself he can spend as much money on an online game as in a casino. For the sake of interest, look how much money creators bring such games as Diablo, World of Tanks or Fortnite. So this statement is quite controversial.

The line dividing video games and gambling has become blurred during the last years, now gambling can be enjoyed from the comfort of your own home and by using an electronic device just as video games, and now many video games have random elements in which you can use real money just as gambling, so it is very possible that many people that in the past would not have spent a lot of money in a video game now do so as they do not realize they are in fact gambling and they are not as alert as they should be about their behavior.

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Quote from: 348Judah on October 14, 2022, 07:02:28 AM

A casino will always win over the gambler and been an experience gamer as you've said does not makes any good advantage in winning over a casino because they are two different things, playing games is not real, cwn be manipulated and also enhanced but if you're gambling, you realized that something is at stake which is your money and the skills used in playing games cannot be applicable with that of gambling.

And if you already understand that, you don't need to force yourself to continue playing gambling, let alone deposit more money. That probably won't give you more opportunities but more chances of losing, especially when you play luck-based gambling games. And maybe, in this case, you can choose to just play games instead of gambling because there is no risk of losing after you play unless you buy the items in the game. But buying these items is not a gamble because it can easily increase your character's performance and defeat your enemies.

Hahahaha...... there's one spirit that comes with gambling. It's cultivated and cultured periodically: after sometime, any attempt to let go is useless.
What got me laughing was the fact that you explained:that gamblers wishing to quit could take up character games as that'll not hurt the characters or their funds ..... There's this inbuilt passion or say -- obsession -- that's buried in their desire to make it major from gambling &/ gain a satisfactory pleasure: some sort that video games can't give.
These satisfaction is not free: they pay heavily for 'em.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on October 13, 2022, 04:58:13 PM

In my view, gaming has nothing to do with gambling. This can also be the pitfall for gamers, who think they have an advantage because of their gaming experience. If you're really going to gamble, it doesn't matter how much experience you have in gaming. We all know you're not going to make it against a casino in the end. With gaming you are in principle in control and you are responsible for the end result through your own input. That is not the case at all at a casino. There are also many gamers who have tried their luck at poker, but most without success.

But gamers will have the background, especially in the MMORPG realm like what I and @Boristhecat are discussing when it comes to the gamble of wish or pulling of premium items, in-game purchases that are paid in real cash.
One known game is Genshin Impact which is supportedly widely because of how cool the game is. I also spend some money on it thinking I could get a better item to swap my old one or better, a new character that would help me advance faster in the game.
That's a gamble. It's like rolling a dice to the unknown, then you would have to roll it again (spend more) if you won't have it at your first roll.

Quote from: Boristhecat on October 14, 2022, 11:45:04 AM

Essentially the OP is asking about games that already have a gambling element, and it is clear that the transition from games that contain a gambling element to games that are completely gambling is very simple.
If we transfer the discussion to other games where the risk is choosing strategies/counter strategies to what the opponent is doing, then this is really a different type of risk and I do not think that it will lead the gamer to gambling.

Thanks for pointing that out. I thought we got deeper. Cheesy

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