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Quote from: Boristhecat on October 08, 2022, 11:07:49 AM

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Quote from: Boristhecat on October 06, 2022, 06:12:51 AM

When you open loot boxes in CS or any game in which the gameplay is related to your skills and skill level, how does this negate the fact that the very opening of a loot box is gambling? If we are talking about the game and account development, then it is obvious that this is not gambling, but an ordinary game where someone plays well, and someone plays badly. But if we evaluate such things as loot boxes separately, then this is very close to gambling.

I don't know about loot boxes in CS but in MMO it depends on the rarity of the box and how much your luck is to gain the best drop you can get.
Then, the system will provide what will be the content of the loot box.
It's not a gamble, it's success base and luck base.
I'd rather compare gacha games where you pull items from wishes where it's mostly paid to be a gamble than the former.
In MMO, you didn't really pay, you are grinding which means even a free to play gamer can receive the same.

I understand what you are talking about, but it seems to me that we are not discussing grinding in games - where everyone is equal at a distance, that is, roughly speaking, if you grind for 100 hours, then on average you will get 2 S things, 10 A things, etc. We are talking about buying additional boxes from which you can get items that are not otherwise available in the game. And this is very similar to gambling. Because there is no "buying a sword for 100 dollars" but there is buying a lottery ticket to get a sword and in the end the price of the sword can be several thousand dollars if you are unlucky and let's say 5 dollars if you are lucky. How is this different from gambling?

Just like I used in the example it's like gacha games where players are pulling items or wishing for them with the use of their money. Yes, that's almost gambling because of the risk and money that was involved.
Sorry that I have no idea about the example you used but it seems it's near what I have stated, maybe you just missed reading that part.
Yes, we are going far from what the OP is trying to ask. It is about the transition.
I think it's easy to be a gambler after being a gamer because you have been through different types of risks.
As I said in my earlier posts, gambling is way easier to learn than games with lots of tutorials and instructions to learn.

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Quote from: Viscore on October 08, 2022, 05:27:56 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on October 04, 2022, 06:29:22 PM

It's easy, you don't have to start all over it. Being a gamer, you understand logic already that you can see in the casinos, so, don't stop yourself if you want to try to gamble, just do it.
There's no difference of motivation and mindset from being a gamer and a gambler, all you have to think is the same and that's to become stronger and for you to win, none other than that.

Mostly, a good gamer will also likely to be a profitable gambler. Although there's no guaranteed profits in gambling, but if you have skills in different games, then most likely your chances of losing is less. Just keep learning new strategies in every game because that will make you a pro in gambling. However, always gamble on an amount you can afford to lose to avoid future regrets. That way, your funds will never be in danger.

besides, you need only common sense for most of the gambling games. unless, you are playing poker, which of course needs at least experience and skills to get the most out of it. but talking about casino classics such as crash, dice, roulette, hi-lo and others. you don't need prior experience just to play these games.
most gamers actually are dealing more complicated games so these casino games would be very easy for them.
with this consideration, i believe it is very easy to become a gambler from being a gamer. they don't need extensive lesson just to go into gambling games.

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Quote from: goinmerry on October 08, 2022, 10:32:59 AM

Quote from: Hispo on October 07, 2022, 03:14:19 PM

This translates that not all gamers will be so easily introduced to gambling, those more used to Call of Duty, MMORPGs, Gacha, Counter Strike, etc would.

... These games you have mentioned also have a sort of gambling thru purchasing an in-game item where in return, a good item is expected to be received.

These gamers will truly be aware that they are risking money too in the usual gambling and they will take it seriously.

It depends what "taking seriously" means. Some players may opt not to expect to get some money back from their in-game purchases, because they may want just some cosmetics. while others could as well get into financial trouble due to buying too many loot boxes in the seek for a rare skin, which happened to an Twitch streamer who ended up asking his subscribers for money, etc. I am sure you have read about that case some weeks ago.

I am not sure how difficult it would be to become a profesional gambler on games in comparison to traditional gambling, but at least within the video game industry there is a possibility to become a professional player thanks to one's own skills rather than only focusing on loot boxes yield.

In short some see their purchases as a risk, because they expect something.
While others (who do not care) take it as an expense to enhance their appearance, at least a bit.

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Quote from: chaser15 on October 08, 2022, 09:29:38 AM

Quote from: usekevin on October 08, 2022, 08:29:09 AM

Their won’t be huge difference between the gamer and gamblers much

I have to agree with this.

Coming from a gamer I don't see that a person will have a hard time adjusting to the phase of gambling. It's not that it's a totally new environment but these gamers might just want to test how's the feeling of winning money in gambling. I do both that's why I can say that. I do gaming or gambling for pleasure and fun but for the latter, I'm targeting winning money in return.

I am a gamer, been playing games in my entire childhood until now. I don't find it hard to transition from being a gamer to gambler. Actually it is very easy since gambling as stated is also part of the gaming industry. There is a sense of games when a person is gambling which is relatable to gamers. Most gamers is triggered by fun and excitement and gambling gives way more than that because of the involvement of money.

It is really easy to transition, it is that some gamers avoid gambling because of its effect. But given a chance, being a gamer already has this risk-taker mentality which is present in the gaming world via the PVP system where duel and item bet exist or the PK game system where the possibility of item drop is available.

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Quote from: coinerer on October 07, 2022, 11:45:46 PM

Quote from: nurilham on October 07, 2022, 06:50:53 PM

Which gamers do you refer to? Online gamers?
Of course, it will be easy for online gamers to adapt to casino/gambling games because those are online games as well.
But if we consider the motivation or mindset of gambling games, it is a bit different. A gamer cannot think to play casino/gambling games as often as possible because it requires money. It is not the same as free online games, we should have good time management and money management for casino/gambling games.

A gamer usually has a good idea about gaming. If he continues the process of online gaming then ‍at any of the moment he may be transmitted to gambling. Because game and gambling are two clauses word. In a sense, the word gambling originates from games. It is true that if the gamer makes a positive impression on gambling then it will be transmitted to gambling in the future. Because now gambling is very easy in everywhere.

If they can control themselves in gambling, this will become a very good idea to have gambling activities. But, this will not be the same if someone is controlled by the game themselves. We may try to avoid how gambling addiction, but sometimes, we are not aware that we are under the condition of gambling addiction. Activity in online gambling is exactly very easy to reach, moreover we can find so many online gambling platforms everywhere, we can watch the advertisement every time ad wherever we are, moreover on online activities. We can see so many gambling adversitsement.This will probably change the situation? Well, nobody will excatly know.

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Quote from: passwordnow on October 04, 2022, 06:29:22 PM

It's easy, you don't have to start all over it. Being a gamer, you understand logic already that you can see in the casinos, so, don't stop yourself if you want to try to gamble, just do it.
There's no difference of motivation and mindset from being a gamer and a gambler, all you have to think is the same and that's to become stronger and for you to win, none other than that.

Mostly, a good gamer will also likely to be a profitable gambler. Although there's no guaranteed profits in gambling, but if you have skills in different games, then most likely your chances of losing is less. Just keep learning new strategies in every game because that will make you a pro in gambling. However, always gamble on an amount you can afford to lose to avoid future regrets. That way, your funds will never be in danger.

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Yes, seen from my glasses a real gamers will try many games, so it's not difficult to play gambling because they have a lot of experience, but gambling is not about strategy and smart. In gambling a required must be dare to take risks, if the gamers do not dare then maybe basic strategy only is not enough. Gambling also has a different higher sensation than any game in general.

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Quote from: Saisher on October 04, 2022, 06:02:02 PM

I always consider gaming as gambling I have seen many gamblers spend a lot of money for their character and to level up their account for future profit, like selling their stuff and their character.

If you're a gamer or someone is a gamer and would like to try to gamble in online casinos will it become an easy transition as all the elements of gambling are present when you're a gamer, or does a gamer have to start all over again, and have a different motivation and mindset?

it's a different field mate if we will make a comparison between online games over online gambling especially when it comes casino and other game luck wherein very unpredictable even you have build a good strategy. Lol there's a big difference tbh and there's a big adjustment for gamers if they will gonna enter on online gambling..

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Quote from: Boristhecat on October 08, 2022, 11:07:49 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on October 08, 2022, 02:02:31 AM

Quote from: Boristhecat on October 06, 2022, 06:12:51 AM

When you open loot boxes in CS or any game in which the gameplay is related to your skills and skill level, how does this negate the fact that the very opening of a loot box is gambling? If we are talking about the game and account development, then it is obvious that this is not gambling, but an ordinary game where someone plays well, and someone plays badly. But if we evaluate such things as loot boxes separately, then this is very close to gambling.

I don't know about loot boxes in CS but in MMO it depends on the rarity of the box and how much your luck is to gain the best drop you can get.
Then, the system will provide what will be the content of the loot box.
It's not a gamble, it's success base and luck base.
I'd rather compare gacha games where you pull items from wishes where it's mostly paid to be a gamble than the former.
In MMO, you didn't really pay, you are grinding which means even a free to play gamer can receive the same.

I understand what you are talking about, but it seems to me that we are not discussing grinding in games - where everyone is equal at a distance, that is, roughly speaking, if you grind for 100 hours, then on average you will get 2 S things, 10 A things, etc. We are talking about buying additional boxes from which you can get items that are not otherwise available in the game. And this is very similar to gambling. Because there is no "buying a sword for 100 dollars" but there is buying a lottery ticket to get a sword and in the end the price of the sword can be several thousand dollars if you are unlucky and let's say 5 dollars if you are lucky. How is this different from gambling?

Yes of course, it also falls into gambling. If the sword could not be sold after being bought for money or could not sold for more profit then it would not fall under gambling. Currently you have to invest in such gaming sites which is directly correlate with gambling. From here a gamer can be easily transmitted to gambling.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on October 08, 2022, 02:02:31 AM

Quote from: Boristhecat on October 06, 2022, 06:12:51 AM

When you open loot boxes in CS or any game in which the gameplay is related to your skills and skill level, how does this negate the fact that the very opening of a loot box is gambling? If we are talking about the game and account development, then it is obvious that this is not gambling, but an ordinary game where someone plays well, and someone plays badly. But if we evaluate such things as loot boxes separately, then this is very close to gambling.

I don't know about loot boxes in CS but in MMO it depends on the rarity of the box and how much your luck is to gain the best drop you can get.
Then, the system will provide what will be the content of the loot box.
It's not a gamble, it's success base and luck base.
I'd rather compare gacha games where you pull items from wishes where it's mostly paid to be a gamble than the former.
In MMO, you didn't really pay, you are grinding which means even a free to play gamer can receive the same.

I understand what you are talking about, but it seems to me that we are not discussing grinding in games - where everyone is equal at a distance, that is, roughly speaking, if you grind for 100 hours, then on average you will get 2 S things, 10 A things, etc. We are talking about buying additional boxes from which you can get items that are not otherwise available in the game. And this is very similar to gambling. Because there is no "buying a sword for 100 dollars" but there is buying a lottery ticket to get a sword and in the end the price of the sword can be several thousand dollars if you are unlucky and let's say 5 dollars if you are lucky. How is this different from gambling?

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Quote from: Hispo on October 07, 2022, 03:14:19 PM

This translates that not all gamers will be so easily introduced to gambling, those more used to Call of Duty, MMORPGs, Gacha, Counter Strike, etc would.

And if such cases that these gamers will tried to do gambling, there would be no such thing that they will not adopt easily the idea of gambling. These games you have mentioned also have a sort of gambling thru purchasing an in-game item where in return, a good item is expected to be received.

These gamers will truly be aware that they are risking money too in the usual gambling and they will take it seriously.

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Quote from: Saisher on October 04, 2022, 06:02:02 PM

I always consider gaming as gambling I have seen many gamblers spend a lot of money for their character and to level up their account for future profit, like selling their stuff and their character.

If you're a gamer or someone is a gamer and would like to try to gamble in online casinos will it become an easy transition as all the elements of gambling are present when you're a gamer, or does a gamer have to start all over again, and have a different motivation and mindset?

A game is merely for entertainment purposes, it is enjoyable and even more so when you have nothing to lose. However, as soon as money is involved, your mentality, emotional state, and capacity for accepting defeat change.
It is easier for a player who is accustomed to playing poker to apply their newly acquired skills and focus that energy towards the gambling mode, but you should be aware that gambling is a completely new experience. You can use gambling to predict events and place bets, if your prediction comes true, you win, if not, you lose. So, a player who is new to gambling may find it difficult to accept a loss, but they will have the advantage to win the games if the house is fair and honest.

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Quote from: usekevin on October 08, 2022, 08:29:09 AM

Their won’t be huge difference between the gamer and gamblers much

I have to agree with this.

Coming from a gamer I don't see that a person will have a hard time adjusting to the phase of gambling. It's not that it's a totally new environment but these gamers might just want to test how's the feeling of winning money in gambling. I do both that's why I can say that. I do gaming or gambling for pleasure and fun but for the latter, I'm targeting winning money in return.

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Quote from: Saisher on October 04, 2022, 06:02:02 PM

If you're a gamer or someone is a gamer and would like to try to gamble in online casinos will it become an easy transition as all the elements of gambling are present when you're a gamer, or does a gamer have to start all over again, and have a different motivation and mindset?

I was involved first in heavy gaming before gambling. In my experience, I don't encounter any problem transitioning to gaming from gambling because, in the first place, I do gambling not because I will stop gaming. There's no transition that happened but rather I just want to try them both.

I also don't see why it would become difficult to shift from gaming to gambling since of course, I have different purposes why I tried both.

Just enjoy both while being responsible whether gaming or gambling.

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Their won’t be huge difference between the gamer and gamblers much.The people who making games for the entertainment alone is an gamer.His full mindset to have entertainment from the games and pass the time with the unique games.But gamblers encourage the involvement of money and like the way of betting their own money.The gamblers like the money multiple techniques.They like to speared the time from the thrill they get from all the game.Some gamblers worry on the game losing and most of the people will not worry about the loss at any sense.The people with less knowledge in gambling use to loss most of the time.They play the game only using the luck based.It’s not a potential gambling,because losing money make all the people to worry instead of some smile on a face.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on October 07, 2022, 03:49:01 PM

Quote from: Hispo on October 07, 2022, 03:14:19 PM

This translates that not all gamers will be so easily introduced to gambling, those more used to Call of Duty, MMORPGs, Gacha, Counter Strike, etc would.

Real gamers will please themself by just playing games without thinking if they will earn money or not. But those who wanted to earn some money will absolutely do gambling, not to say it was hard for the transitions but of course, it takes time as well for some adjustment knowing that gambling is a different environment than just playing games where there is no money involved in normal games that mostly played as you have mentioned.

Also it is worth keeping in mind that while people play games that do not involve gambling or transactions of any sort, they are not aware whether they have a natural fixation to gambling/thrill seeking. An initial transition is necessary before they getting more involved and gamble actively.

I believe that is one of the objectives of loot boxes and other similar type of monetization within the video game industry, to slowly introduce players to gambling, or at least those with an affinity to it. This is something what would have not happen in previous generations when video games and entertainment itself were disconnected off internet.

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Quote from: acroman08 on October 08, 2022, 05:07:58 AM

I don't know about you but gaming(as in playing online games, etc...) and gambling are two different things. while there is some element of gambling in video games/online games like loot boxes or something similar to it, I don't think you can really compare it to gambling in the casinos. anyway, as for gamers transitioning to gambling, this will differ from person to person.

Agree. Gaming and gambling are very different; even though they involve money, they are still different. Playing games uses the money to buy something that may be useful for users in playing. While gambling games use money to bet and win or lose money. I guess if those people weren't curious about gaming or gambling, they wouldn't have turned to anything else. Curiosity is something that makes people move on and try new things.

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I don't know about you but gaming(as in playing online games, etc...) and gambling are two different things. while there is some element of gambling in video games/online games like loot boxes or something similar to it, I don't think you can really compare it to gambling in the casinos. anyway, as for gamers transitioning to gambling, this will differ from person to person.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on October 06, 2022, 06:12:51 AM

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Quote from: danherbias07 on October 06, 2022, 02:24:57 AM

Unlike in gaming, you have to learn the strategies to progress into the game especially when you are playing MMORPG. Then, you will need the help of other players to make it come true.

This. The main core of most popular games nowadays, whether they have amazing or simple graphics is their complexity. They're games filled with puzzles, strategies, basically, stuff that make you progress by relying on your thinking, Casino games are much simpler than those, and they're mostly reliant on luck. I'd consider games close to being complex would be card games like poker, blackjack, but they're rather simple after you learn the rules, unlike other games that are ever evolving most of the time.

When you open loot boxes in CS or any game in which the gameplay is related to your skills and skill level, how does this negate the fact that the very opening of a loot box is gambling? If we are talking about the game and account development, then it is obvious that this is not gambling, but an ordinary game where someone plays well, and someone plays badly. But if we evaluate such things as loot boxes separately, then this is very close to gambling.

I don't know about loot boxes in CS but in MMO it depends on the rarity of the box and how much your luck is to gain the best drop you can get.
Then, the system will provide what will be the content of the loot box.
It's not a gamble, it's success base and luck base.
I'd rather compare gacha games where you pull items from wishes where it's mostly paid to be a gamble than the former.
In MMO, you didn't really pay, you are grinding which means even a free to play gamer can receive the same.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on October 07, 2022, 05:13:43 PM

In my opinion, it will be very easy in fact too easy to transition. This is because the mechanism of incentivization. In addition, there's a thin line between gaming and gambling. For example, gaming is addicting just like gambling because in most games, you are rewarded for your victories with items that can be traded for real money, but in order to increase your chances, you buy in-game items. Isn't this almost the same elements in gambling?

It's almost the same but the thing that makes it different is once you have owned your item and it can be sold again for money while when you are doing gambling and you are taking the risk like you win or lose, that means you will be doubling your item or lose your item. This makes gambling a bit different compared when you are playing the game. The game item can be traded between the players. that's why the risky in gaming is far smaller compared with gambling.
I think that this is the main concern but any gamer can easily go to the gambling. The only problem is if when they were new players and they have zero knowledge about anything.

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