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Quote from: danherbias07 on October 09, 2022, 04:18:56 AM

Quote from: Boristhecat on October 08, 2022, 12:07:49 PM

I understand what you are talking about, but it seems to me that we are not discussing grinding in games - where everyone is equal at a distance, that is, roughly speaking, if you grind for 100 hours, then on average you will get 2 S things, 10 A things, etc. We are talking about buying additional boxes from which you can get items that are not otherwise available in the game. And this is very similar to gambling. Because there is no "buying a sword for 100 dollars" but there is buying a lottery ticket to get a sword and in the end the price of the sword can be several thousand dollars if you are unlucky and let's say 5 dollars if you are lucky. How is this different from gambling?

Just like I used in the example it's like gacha games where players are pulling items or wishing for them with the use of their money. Yes, that's almost gambling because of the risk and money that was involved.
Sorry that I have no idea about the example you used but it seems it's near what I have stated, maybe you just missed reading that part.
Yes, we are going far from what the OP is trying to ask. It is about the transition.
I think it's easy to be a gambler after being a gamer because you have been through different types of risks.
As I said in my earlier posts, gambling is way easier to learn than games with lots of tutorials and instructions to learn.

I don't think we've gotten off topic, Op says:

Quote from: Saisher on October 04, 2022, 07:02:02 PM

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If you're a gamer or someone is a gamer and would like to try to gamble in online casinos will it become an easy transition as all the elements of gambling are present when you're a gamer, or does a gamer have to start all over again, and have a different motivation and mindset?

Essentially the OP is asking about games that already have a gambling element, and it is clear that the transition from games that contain a gambling element to games that are completely gambling is very simple.
If we transfer the discussion to other games where the risk is choosing strategies/counter strategies to what the opponent is doing, then this is really a different type of risk and I do not think that it will lead the gamer to gambling.

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Quote from: jostorres on October 13, 2022, 04:52:12 PM

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Quote from: Doell on October 08, 2022, 01:43:53 PM

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there is also strategy and smartness needs here and that is to decide when to stop and when to run from the table .

@doell is right. It's possible for a gamer to try gambling and be good at it because the truth is that video games are more complex than in gambling, so if they understand it then why not gambling when it's only a simple game. I can say those words because I myself is also a gamer. I've tried so many games on different consoles but that was long time ago.

I am not really that active on it anymore but I am now more active in the gambling scene because my time right now is limited. Knowing when to stop and enter may be included in the strategy but the real strategy in gambling are those martingale and parole . You can also create your own strategies for other gambling games.

In the world of gamers can be divided into two categories, there are connoisseurs, some are professionals.
I mean, there are those who play just for fun and there are also those who make gaming part of a profitable business. a gamer does not necessarily like gambling games and vice versa.
However, gamers are often identified with a very complex game. requires skill, strategy and some requires teamwork.

and this is different from gambling games, gambling games are almost purely based on luck although some of them are skill based. both have different sensations, but in essence they are both game-based to entertain.
I don't think there is a difficult transition from gamers to casino gamblers. in fact, one can play both alternately.

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Quote from: 348Judah on October 14, 2022, 07:02:28 AM

A casino will always win over the gambler and been an experience gamer as you've said does not makes any good advantage in winning over a casino because they are two different things, playing games is not real, cwn be manipulated and also enhanced but if you're gambling, you realized that something is at stake which is your money and the skills used in playing games cannot be applicable with that of gambling.

And if you already understand that, you don't need to force yourself to continue playing gambling, let alone deposit more money. That probably won't give you more opportunities but more chances of losing, especially when you play luck-based gambling games. And maybe, in this case, you can choose to just play games instead of gambling because there is no risk of losing after you play unless you buy the items in the game. But buying these items is not a gamble because it can easily increase your character's performance and defeat your enemies.

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Quote from: blockman on October 14, 2022, 07:54:11 AM

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To play a good game you also have to pay money for it as for the game in the casino, many online games also have the opportunity to do in-game purchases.

If a person can't control himself he can spend as much money on an online game as in a casino. For the sake of interest, look how much money creators bring such games as Diablo, World of Tanks or Fortnite. So this statement is quite controversial.

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Quote from: 348Judah on October 14, 2022, 07:02:28 AM

A casino will always win over the gambler and been an experience gamer as you've said does not makes any good advantage in winning over a casino because they are two different things, playing games is not real, cwn be manipulated and also enhanced but if you're gambling, you realized that something is at stake which is your money and the skills used in playing games cannot be applicable with that of gambling.

Playing games is for real. Games in the casino are one of them and that's why it's real because we deposit real money and we withdraw with real money or cryptocurrencies that they support. The difference from the traditional games that we grew up, it's for fun and no money at stake although we have the same reason why we gamble these days and it's also for fun but can't deny the true thing that we're also aiming to win with those games that we play.

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Quote from: Saisher on October 04, 2022, 07:02:02 PM

I always consider gaming as gambling I have seen many gamblers spend a lot of money for their character and to level up their account for future profit, like selling their stuff and their character.

Here it is clear that the difference between gamers and gamblers is spending money, gamers want to boost the abilities of their game characters, which are nothing but increasing the chances of winning, while gamblers increase their bets, which does not increase the chances of winning in the slightest. The two are unrelated and require a transition process from scratch. The only habit gamers can carry is that they like to spend money for nothing but the satisfaction of beating opponents. Maybe they also won't feel anything if they lose big in gambling.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on October 13, 2022, 04:58:13 PM

In my view, gaming has nothing to do with gambling. This can also be the pitfall for gamers, who think they have an advantage because of their gaming experience. If you're really going to gamble, it doesn't matter how much experience you have in gaming. We all know you're not going to make it against a casino in the end. With gaming you are in principle in control and you are responsible for the end result through your own input. That is not the case at all at a casino. There are also many gamers who have tried their luck at poker, but most without success.

A casino will always win over the gambler and been an experience gamer as you've said does not makes any good advantage in winning over a casino because they are two different things, playing games is not real, cwn be manipulated and also enhanced but if you're gambling, you realized that something is at stake which is your money and the skills used in playing games cannot be applicable with that of gambling.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on October 13, 2022, 04:58:13 PM

In my view, gaming has nothing to do with gambling. This can also be the pitfall for gamers, who think they have an advantage because of their gaming experience. If you're really going to gamble, it doesn't matter how much experience you have in gaming. We all know you're not going to make it against a casino in the end. With gaming you are in principle in control and you are responsible for the end result through your own input. That is not the case at all at a casino. There are also many gamers who have tried their luck at poker, but most without success.

Actually gaming experience can be ideal too because of the e-sports betting many people keep playing with the game they want to watch too at the same time of course if you are really an avid fan with the e-sports game for sure you will chance to get a bet to the team you would like to support on so there's a chance you win profit and at the same time is enjoying the game while watching, this is the reason why some of the cryptocurrency casino now are trying to adopt with the sportsbook features.

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Quote from: Saisher on October 04, 2022, 07:02:02 PM

I always consider gaming as gambling I have seen many gamblers spend a lot of money for their character and to level up their account for future profit, like selling their stuff and their character.

That isn't the case for some including me.

I already played many games and spent money on all of it especially the one that I last played before the game that I'm playing right now. I'm spending money into it but in the end, I couldn't get anything in return because I didn't sell my account just for the reason of, I'm using my personal Gmail into it, and I can't give it to the buyer. I didn't get any profit into it. We have different perspective with regards to the 2 because I don't see gaming as gambling. Maybe in those Gacha games you can say but, in some games, it doesn't.

Quote from: Saisher on October 04, 2022, 07:02:02 PM

If you're a gamer or someone is a gamer and would like to try to gamble in online casinos will it become an easy transition as all the elements of gambling are present when you're a gamer, or does a gamer have to start all over again, and have a different motivation and mindset?

There are certain things that you can learn when you are playing online games for quite some time that can be applied into gambling. I don't know the exact things but for sure, there are strategies and techniques that a gamer can apply when they are gambling, so I guess it's not that hard to make a transition IMO.

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When anyone starts gambling, there's no going back. There are no exceptions to whom could fall a victim or who is tryna evade the menacing grip from fun.
It's a nice expedition to some peeps that have the motive of playing for fun -- since they've realised that every effort to incure a gain is painful ; and anyone that's too eager would pay alot more for their eagerness -- but a bad one for those haven't been convinced yet that gaming isn't an easy-pizzy.

I don't think you need any new experiences as you've had enough already to show you around; except, maybe you were not a long-term gambler then, the opposite is the case.

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In my view, gaming has nothing to do with gambling. This can also be the pitfall for gamers, who think they have an advantage because of their gaming experience. If you're really going to gamble, it doesn't matter how much experience you have in gaming. We all know you're not going to make it against a casino in the end. With gaming you are in principle in control and you are responsible for the end result through your own input. That is not the case at all at a casino. There are also many gamers who have tried their luck at poker, but most without success.

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Quote from: rodskee on October 12, 2022, 05:43:17 AM

Quote from: Doell on October 08, 2022, 01:43:53 PM

Yes, seen from my glasses a real gamers will try many games, so it's not difficult to play gambling because they have a lot of experience, but gambling is not about strategy and smart. In gambling a required must be dare to take risks, if the gamers do not dare then maybe basic strategy only is not enough. Gambling also has a different higher sensation than any game in general.

there is also strategy and smartness needs here and that is to decide when to stop and when to run from the table .

@doell is right. It's possible for a gamer to try gambling and be good at it because the truth is that video games are more complex than in gambling, so if they understand it then why not gambling when it's only a simple game. I can say those words because I myself is also a gamer. I've tried so many games on different consoles but that was long time ago.

I am not really that active on it anymore but I am now more active in the gambling scene because my time right now is limited. Knowing when to stop and enter may be included in the strategy but the real strategy in gambling are those martingale and parole . You can also create your own strategies for other gambling games.

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I'm not sure what you meant here mate , but transition from Gamer to Gambler? I don't think so mate .

there are some friends in Group that is indeed gamer but they are not that good in gambling, so there is no easy way to gamble mate it is always hard because we are using our Money in this with risks .

Quote from: Doell on October 08, 2022, 01:43:53 PM

Yes, seen from my glasses a real gamers will try many games, so it's not difficult to play gambling because they have a lot of experience, but gambling is not about strategy and smart. In gambling a required must be dare to take risks, if the gamers do not dare then maybe basic strategy only is not enough. Gambling also has a different higher sensation than any game in general.

there is also strategy and smartness needs here and that is to decide when to stop and when to run from the table .

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Quote from: Fortify on October 09, 2022, 05:23:59 PM

Quote from: Saisher on October 04, 2022, 07:02:02 PM

I always consider gaming as gambling I have seen many gamblers spend a lot of money for their character and to level up their account for future profit, like selling their stuff and their character.

If you're a gamer or someone is a gamer and would like to try to gamble in online casinos will it become an easy transition as all the elements of gambling are present when you're a gamer, or does a gamer have to start all over again, and have a different motivation and mindset?

I would say there is definitely some overlaps in the habits that draw a gamer back and how they might react in a casino setting. However with age comes experience, sometimes a few bitter losses are necessary to fully understand how the odds are stacked against you. A real gamer is generally someone who is inquisitive and loves to constantly learn how to get better, so they should be able to identify that gambling activities are tilted in one way and they are destined to be the loser over the long term. However you can also have totally sensible gamers who are able to make a clear distinction between often spending nothing beyond the price of the game itself, simply getting pleasure from playing and sinking regular amounts into a reoccurring place like a casino wallet.

I agree with this. If you are already a gamer, there will always be a part of you that will manifest the habit and behavior of being a gamer. For an instance, in playing in a casino or gambling website, they will be keen observer and strategist to win the game. Since most gamers are critical thinkers, they might think thoroughly before making a bet and actually playing the game which is good because it minimizes the risks and the probability of losses.

There are gamers that are really flexible and willing to learn. Hence, there are already a lot of people exploring the other side of entertainment which is gambling. Each people have different attitude and behavior and you will encounter almost every different attitude there is in playing. You'll encounter a humble player who is good in playing, and you will encounter those arrogant ones that feel superior to others. They have different set of skills to offer too which they developed over their gaming years. Others aim just to get satisfaction and have a diversion, while others want to make a sideline out of transitioning in gambling on casinos.

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Quote from: Jemzx00 on October 09, 2022, 11:17:50 AM

Actually, items from loot boxes and gacha games are often limited and most likely pay to win items as they have greats stats and you can't really received or get them just by continuous playing or grinding.

Indeed, aside from that Loot boxes and Gacha games makes a player spend more than the value of the rewards if the player luck sucks. Just like what I watched on a YT channel when a streamer of Ragnarok online streams his activity about gacha games. He spend $1k+ to open boxes and not a single premium item is won. All he got was sticks and potions LOL.

Quote from: Jemzx00 on October 09, 2022, 11:17:50 AM

Anyways, Can you really call yourself a gamer if you only play gacha games or opening loot boxes on the games itself? Those are just mini-games and somehow borderline gambling (no monetary value when winning) already.

Those who spend money in-game are too hook on the game, so aside from gamers they are also called spenders.

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Quote from: Saisher on October 04, 2022, 07:02:02 PM

I always consider gaming as gambling I have seen many gamblers spend a lot of money for their character and to level up their account for future profit, like selling their stuff and their character.

If you're a gamer or someone is a gamer and would like to try to gamble in online casinos will it become an easy transition as all the elements of gambling are present when you're a gamer, or does a gamer have to start all over again, and have a different motivation and mindset?

I would say there is definitely some overlaps in the habits that draw a gamer back and how they might react in a casino setting. However with age comes experience, sometimes a few bitter losses are necessary to fully understand how the odds are stacked against you. A real gamer is generally someone who is inquisitive and loves to constantly learn how to get better, so they should be able to identify that gambling activities are tilted in one way and they are destined to be the loser over the long term. However you can also have totally sensible gamers who are able to make a clear distinction between often spending nothing beyond the price of the game itself, simply getting pleasure from playing and sinking regular amounts into a reoccurring place like a casino wallet.

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It is an easy transition with certain types of games, it is a matter that does not change, the fact of the ability that you can take to another level.

This is one of those cases that I know of players who are successful at the poker level and before it was "Gamer":

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Quote from: Fredomago on October 09, 2022, 12:24:54 PM

Just know the basic and you can enjoy the game, though some heavy gamers are doing deeper research and analysis thinking that they can break the code and exploit the system, but again in order to play the usual game like those you mentioned, it's only the basic that you need to know and understand then after that you will be able to enjoy or if you are into gambling in a serious manner, maybe chance of having a good luck will allow you to collect a decent amount of money out from this industry.

I knew some people who make a research before gambling. I once subscribed to that channel, I forgot the telegram channel name, he is actually good be teaches us some tricks and tips in dice but I did not maximize it since I don't have that enough money to take a trial and error. And just like the other game, gambling is very challenging and tricky as well, it will blow your mind because sometimes you will thought that you knew the pattern and then you fail.

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Quote from: passwordnow on October 04, 2022, 07:29:22 PM

It's easy, you don't have to start all over it. Being a gamer, you understand logic already that you can see in the casinos, so, don't stop yourself if you want to try to gamble, just do it.
There's no difference of motivation and mindset from being a gamer and a gambler, all you have to think is the same and that's to become stronger and for you to win, none other than that.

Mostly, a good gamer will also likely to be a profitable gambler. Although there's no guaranteed profits in gambling, but if you have skills in different games, then most likely your chances of losing is less. Just keep learning new strategies in every game because that will make you a pro in gambling. However, always gamble on an amount you can afford to lose to avoid future regrets. That way, your funds will never be in danger.

besides, you need only common sense for most of the gambling games. unless, you are playing poker, which of course needs at least experience and skills to get the most out of it. but talking about casino classics such as crash, dice, roulette, hi-lo and others. you don't need prior experience just to play these games.
most gamers actually are dealing more complicated games so these casino games would be very easy for them.
with this consideration, i believe it is very easy to become a gambler from being a gamer. they don't need extensive lesson just to go into gambling games.

Just know the basic and you can enjoy the game, though some heavy gamers are doing deeper research and analysis thinking that they can break the code and exploit the system, but again in order to play the usual game like those you mentioned, it's only the basic that you need to know and understand then after that you will be able to enjoy or if you are into gambling in a serious manner, maybe chance of having a good luck will allow you to collect a decent amount of money out from this industry.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on October 08, 2022, 03:02:31 AM

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When you open loot boxes in CS or any game in which the gameplay is related to your skills and skill level, how does this negate the fact that the very opening of a loot box is gambling? If we are talking about the game and account development, then it is obvious that this is not gambling, but an ordinary game where someone plays well, and someone plays badly. But if we evaluate such things as loot boxes separately, then this is very close to gambling.

I don't know about loot boxes in CS but in MMO it depends on the rarity of the box and how much your luck is to gain the best drop you can get.
Then, the system will provide what will be the content of the loot box.
It's not a gamble, it's success base and luck base.
I'd rather compare gacha games where you pull items from wishes where it's mostly paid to be a gamble than the former.
In MMO, you didn't really pay, you are grinding which means even a free to play gamer can receive the same.

Actually, items from loot boxes and gacha games are often limited and most likely pay to win items as they have greats stats and you can't really received or get them just by continuous playing or grinding.

Anyways, Can you really call yourself a gamer if you only play gacha games or opening loot boxes on the games itself? Those are just mini-games and somehow borderline gambling (no monetary value when winning) already.

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