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Quote from: chaser15 on August 24, 2022, 12:03:51 PM

Quote from: Cling18 on August 24, 2022, 11:02:22 AM

I wonder what's the real reason of Gharibi for doing such a thing because it's tok obvious that he has the strong stamina to face Titan fairly. This is unfair to those who bet because it seems like the match was arranged. They should have provided a concrete explanation regarding this fight so viewers and bettors will understand things clearly.

Why blame the event instead of the bettors who put money on that?

It's not always advisable to bet on an exhibition match for an obvious reason that it's not even an official match. Any technical analysis will not work in an exhibition match because at most of the cases, the result was pre-planned as the goal is just to show entertainment to the people.

I just wondered if that exhibition match really listed on the sportsbook. Sometimes those fights are not being considered by bookies.

Most exhibition matches do really indeed doesnt really care nor follow about fundamentals and other analysis which you do said that results are already determined or had been already known before the fight starts.
Some exhibition fights are been posted but there are some which arent because most of the time results would really be just too obvious on whose gonna win specially into those players or fighters

in between cross sports with just having your own common sense you would really be able to determine whose gonna win even if you do just hear up their names. Tongue

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Quote from: Cling18 on August 24, 2022, 11:02:22 AM

I wonder what's the real reason of Gharibi for doing such a thing because it's tok obvious that he has the strong stamina to face Titan fairly. This is unfair to those who bet because it seems like the match was arranged. They should have provided a concrete explanation regarding this fight so viewers and bettors will understand things clearly.

Why blame the event instead of the bettors who put money on that?

It's not always advisable to bet on an exhibition match for an obvious reason that it's not even an official match. Any technical analysis will not work in an exhibition match because at most of the cases, the result was pre-planned as the goal is just to show entertainment to the people.

I just wondered if that exhibition match really listed on the sportsbook. Sometimes those fights are not being considered by bookies.

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Quote from: davis196 on August 23, 2022, 01:16:20 AM

There's no sport here. This match was made for entertainment purposes and for the money. It's basically a circus for the masses.
I saw a Youtuber talking about a similar topic. He said that going to the gym, drinking steroids and getting big muscles doesn't mean that you are able to fight. A guy, who is prepared at boxing and martial arts can beat a bigger and stronger "gym bro", if the gym bro doesn't have fighting experience and preparation. The Paul brothers are mediocre fighters, but at least they are actively training boxing.

Definitely, a person who knows self-defense and offensive combat can beat any gym guy who has bigger muscles but doesn't have battle experience. People in boxing and martial arts have a well-conditioned body they also hit the gym for muscle and strength growth. In short, they have more advantages than people who just hit the gym and pump their muscle with steroids. Just like what happened in the fight stated by OP. And I think this kind of fight is all hyped and it is obvious that the Iranian hulk doesn't want to get hurt during the fight. You can see it in how he turns his back just to protect his face from getting hit.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on August 24, 2022, 10:35:48 AM

Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 03, 2022, 01:17:25 AM

Everybody here has seen the Iranian Hulk Sajad Gharibi match against The Kazakh Titan Djumanov Almat Bakhytovich, these two are fierce rivals as internet sensations for having huge bodies like incredible hulk they finally settle their differences in the ring but unfortunately it's not the kind of fight that we want to see because it's too one-sided and it did not live through the hype

Many Iranians blame Gharibi in this match and are disappointed Gharibi's actions in the ring look bad, they hope Gharibi does his best in the ring, the fact is not what the bettors expected.

From what I watched, the match between Gharibi vs Kazakh must be questioned, whether Gharibi is not ready to fight the Kazakh Titan or indeed there are other elements that need to be questioned, The tKO in the first round was completely inconceivable for me, considering the strength and muscle that Gharibi has, it couldn't have happened like that, funny, like children boxing, indifferent.

I wonder what's the real reason of Gharibi for doing such a thing because it's tok obvious that he has the strong stamina to face Titan fairly. This is unfair to those who bet because it seems like the match was arranged. They should have provided a concrete explanation regarding this fight so viewers and bettors will understand things clearly.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 03, 2022, 01:17:25 AM

Everybody here has seen the Iranian Hulk Sajad Gharibi match against The Kazakh Titan Djumanov Almat Bakhytovich, these two are fierce rivals as internet sensations for having huge bodies like incredible hulk they finally settle their differences in the ring but unfortunately it's not the kind of fight that we want to see because it's too one-sided and it did not live through the hype

Many Iranians blame Gharibi in this match and are disappointed Gharibi's actions in the ring look bad, they hope Gharibi does his best in the ring, the fact is not what the bettors expected.

From what I watched, the match between Gharibi vs Kazakh must be questioned, whether Gharibi is not ready to fight the Kazakh Titan or indeed there are other elements that need to be questioned, The tKO in the first round was completely inconceivable for me, considering the strength and muscle that Gharibi has, it couldn't have happened like that, funny, like children boxing, indifferent.

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Quote from: lixer on August 24, 2022, 02:05:56 AM

Quote from: Wexnident on August 22, 2022, 12:37:16 AM

Quote from: Fortify on August 21, 2022, 02:18:30 PM

At that level of fighting, it's all about the money, but obviously they train very hard still and want to win - because that gains them access to future fights and the winner takes a larger amount of earnings home.

I honestly don't think that's true for this match. Even if it's an exhibition match, the least they could do is match players with a similar skill level or so, it wasn't even a matter of training hard, it's like matching someone who trained for 20 years to someone who just picked up working out a week ago. I wouldn't really consider it as anything else other than a simple hype exhibition, wouldn't even call it a match really. To simplify, it's like the odds between a very weak vs a very strong team.

It's about money and they are being paid huge than compared to the money that they will get if they play the match in a fair way and for this, there is no need for the players to train hard but maybe they need to act hard in order for the play to look legit and it won't look like it was being fixed but they fail with that already because if we watch the video, it looks very obvious.

If this was meant to be an exhibition match, what you are saying is not possible but every exhibition match do always has a weird composition of players, like for example lately in boxing. One player is a youtuber without any experience in boxing while the other one is a pro boxer.

Exhibition matches became popular during the peak of pandemic. I noticed it became a thing when boxing matches were limited due to safety contraints and there are only few boxers who are willing to fight because of restrictions and health related reasons as well. The set up was a match against a professional and amateur boxer most of the time and you can really tell that it's already a fixed match. I mean, you could already guess and tell that there's already an agreement made.

I gues exhibition matches are more on money and entertainment only and not really sports because of the set up. The level of strength and knowledge about boxing is evident and the stamina as well. But despite this, there are still people who support and are fond of it and I have nothing against them. I just find exhibition matches not really interesting.

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- I watched the video, honestly, I laughed. Why? Because when I saw the movements of the two boxers who were fighting in the middle of the ring, they were like children who were just throwing punches, not looking properly to see if their punch would hit the opponent. Don't let anyone get mad at me for saying this.

I think it's like watching only amateur boxing. I don't even know if there is any exploitation in these events. Just for me, I was entertained by what I watched.

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Quote from: Wexnident on August 22, 2022, 12:37:16 AM

Quote from: Fortify on August 21, 2022, 02:18:30 PM

At that level of fighting, it's all about the money, but obviously they train very hard still and want to win - because that gains them access to future fights and the winner takes a larger amount of earnings home.

I honestly don't think that's true for this match. Even if it's an exhibition match, the least they could do is match players with a similar skill level or so, it wasn't even a matter of training hard, it's like matching someone who trained for 20 years to someone who just picked up working out a week ago. I wouldn't really consider it as anything else other than a simple hype exhibition, wouldn't even call it a match really. To simplify, it's like the odds between a very weak vs a very strong team.

It's about money and they are being paid huge than compared to the money that they will get if they play the match in a fair way and for this, there is no need for the players to train hard but maybe they need to act hard in order for the play to look legit and it won't look like it was being fixed but they fail with that already because if we watch the video, it looks very obvious.

If this was meant to be an exhibition match, what you are saying is not possible but every exhibition match do always has a weird composition of players, like for example lately in boxing. One player is a youtuber without any experience in boxing while the other one is a pro boxer.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 03, 2022, 01:17:25 AM

Should we allow or support internet sensations to fight in the ring

everything can be done at this time, it's up to you because this is already an entertainment industry meant by holding this match, but I don't agree with the promoter where the promoter clearly wants to make money with the existing popularity. this should be stopped because it is detrimental in my opinion

But how do we stop it because nowadays with so many ways to broadcast the match, it won't be a problem for the promoter to keep broadcasting it.
They can choose broadcasting media that doesn't forbid them to keep providing entertainment to people.
In addition, people will also definitely look for wherever the match will be broadcast because they feel that the match already entertains them.
This should come back to the individual because if more and more people disagree with the spectacle and choose not to watch it, then the game will not earn much money and in the end, the matches will stop.

I absolutely agree with you. Promoters create a hype around a sporting event, which means they attract not only spectators but also advertisers and sponsors, without which athletes' income would be severely diminished. That's why I think that nowadays the promotion is the main vector that helps athletes to strive to achieve better results.

You are right and I agree with you.
If I was a promoter, I also wanted to earn money in many ways and if an event like this could bring in a lot of money and entertain the audience, I would do it.
In addition, the athletes also earn a lot of money from this event and clearly, they do not need to compete strictly because this event is only for entertainment for the audience at home.
Promoters won't think about if anyone doesn't like this event because the most important thing for them is how they can make money from this event.

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Quote from: rodskee on August 23, 2022, 12:22:52 AM

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To be honest, you have a point. People nowadays become interested in sports because of the influencers or the fansclub they are making. I remember a conference here wherein people only shows attention to the sports because of the influencers and those individuals they are making fun with but the real essence of the game is not there anymore, some or the organizers are taking advantage this thing because it is more about the money.

and that makes me sad as a Sports lover since younger years when sports are being respected and being treat as a precious area of entertainment and skills, nowadays sports are becoming more on popularization and making money more than the real version in which to bring Name and honor to their country or their states .
now almost every sports game happens with money and with popularity .

Have you observed growth in players pay, ticket prices, the cost of joining leagues, and the amount of money to set aside for each position won? These were not too demanding back then, but things have changed and evolved with time.
Take Brazil, for example, they love football and in fact, every household now wants their young kids to be in a sports academy to pursue their goals rather than carrying engineering pencils and papers, Jamaicans are well known for races and winning medals, all of which brings honours and revenue to their country, this is what sports are today and not like yesterday when they had to beg Samsung and Fly emirate to come and sponsor them, it is the companies that are doing the lobbying and sponsoring them in return for other deals and Ads.

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Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on August 23, 2022, 02:30:28 AM

For me, I see no passion in this match against the Iranian hulk, because this is a clear exploitation and money driven kind of match, because the Iranian hulk fights just like a Newbie, he has total no fighting experience, because I always tell people that fighting is totally different from bodybuilding, of which this video is a clear definition of it. And I really love the caption of this tweet that "Iranian hulk should be paid off never to enter ring again"..

No promoter in his right will do that anymore, he will get criticized and people will not support that kind of event, its all over for the Iranian Hulk, I read that he is very disappointed and under depression, his friends should reach out to him, there is life after that match, he made the wrong decision of trying to please people, and he was led to this scenario, its time for him to take control of his life and do what he pleases not, not on people wants him to do.

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Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on August 23, 2022, 02:30:28 AM

For me, I see no passion in this match against the Iranian hulk, because this is a clear exploitation and money driven kind of match, because the Iranian hulk fights just like a Newbie, he has total no fighting experience, because I always tell people that fighting is totally different from bodybuilding, of which this video is a clear definition of it. And I really love the caption of this tweet that "Iranian hulk should be paid off never to enter ring again"..

This is a good comment! Nice catch!

It's clear exploitation, and it's not the first nor the last time! Many people paid to watch them, a lot of money was involved and these two just decided to cash their popularity with this stupidity! But in the end, they probably earned a lot of money, I guess that makes them smart in some way... something I can't say for all the people who sponsored this event, people who paid to be there, to watch this!

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 03, 2022, 01:17:25 AM

Everybody here has seen the Iranian Hulk Sajad Gharibi match against The Kazakh Titan Djumanov Almat Bakhytovich, these two are fierce rivals as internet sensations for having huge bodies like incredible hulk they finally settle their differences in the ring but unfortunately it's not the kind of fight that we want to see because it's too one-sided and it did not live through the hype

Obviously, the Iranian Hulk Sajad Gharibi match signed to this fight unprepared and with zero boxing skills, even an amateur boxer can beat this guy with Hulkster, watching this fight made me think that promoters are just exploiting their popularity and these so-called internet sensations just want to have a quick buck.

Should we allow or support internet sensations to fight in the ring I'm ok with the Paul brothers but these two other so-called internet sensations are making a mockery of boxing.

Watch the whole fight here
https://dailymmafighting.com/watch-kazakh-titan-dropped-iranian-hulk-in-first-round/

- Please correct me if I'm right from what I saw, the one wearing a blue T-shirt is the Iranian Hulk called, is this the one who fell? right? Then according to my observation, I think with the weight of the Iranian Hulk's body, he did not control his movements properly, so when he was hit, even though the impact was not that strong, he fell immediately. And the fact that Kazakh Titan is lighter in his body is also his advantage so that he can easily hit Iranian Hulk. But all in all, it was still very entertaining in the end, after all, it was an exhibition match.

They probably did that to attract more sponsors for that exhibition match and promote it a lot, so I don't see any exploitation in what they did, it's just for entertainment.

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For me, I see no passion in this match against the Iranian hulk, because this is a clear exploitation and money driven kind of match, because the Iranian hulk fights just like a Newbie, he has total no fighting experience, because I always tell people that fighting is totally different from bodybuilding, of which this video is a clear definition of it. And I really love the caption of this tweet that "Iranian hulk should be paid off never to enter ring again"..

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Quote from: D ltr on August 22, 2022, 10:41:12 AM

Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 03, 2022, 01:17:25 AM

Should we allow or support internet sensations to fight in the ring

everything can be done at this time, it's up to you because this is already an entertainment industry meant by holding this match, but I don't agree with the promoter where the promoter clearly wants to make money with the existing popularity. this should be stopped because it is detrimental in my opinion

But how do we stop it because nowadays with so many ways to broadcast the match, it won't be a problem for the promoter to keep broadcasting it.
They can choose broadcasting media that doesn't forbid them to keep providing entertainment to people.
In addition, people will also definitely look for wherever the match will be broadcast because they feel that the match already entertains them.
This should come back to the individual because if more and more people disagree with the spectacle and choose not to watch it, then the game will not earn much money and in the end, the matches will stop.

I absolutely agree with you. Promoters create a hype around a sporting event, which means they attract not only spectators but also advertisers and sponsors, without which athletes' income would be severely diminished. That's why I think that nowadays the promotion is the main vector that helps athletes to strive to achieve better results.

Weren't there a sports commission to prevent them from doing all these?

If it were for the money, its going to be easy to organize a fight night for internet celebrities. But Logans are doing it right since they have their teams who will also train them. Without boxing pro teams, the outcome will be like this Iranian Hulk. Internet celebrities though are more of helping the sport bringing new fans.

Quote from: https://www.essentiallysports.com/boxing-news-a-boxing-promotion-giant-have-documented-proof-to-support-major-claim-regarding-jake-logan-paul/

Espinoza was interviewed by the media outlet Fight Hub Tv where he commented on being involved with Jake Paul and stated that Paul has brought in new fans to the sport.

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There's no sport here. This match was made for entertainment purposes and for the money. It's basically a circus for the masses.
I saw a Youtuber talking about a similar topic. He said that going to the gym, drinking steroids and getting big muscles doesn't mean that you are able to fight. A guy, who is prepared at boxing and martial arts can beat a bigger and stronger "gym bro", if the gym bro doesn't have fighting experience and preparation. The Paul brothers are mediocre fighters, but at least they are actively training boxing.

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Quote from: D ltr on August 22, 2022, 10:41:12 AM

Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 03, 2022, 01:17:25 AM

Should we allow or support internet sensations to fight in the ring

everything can be done at this time, it's up to you because this is already an entertainment industry meant by holding this match, but I don't agree with the promoter where the promoter clearly wants to make money with the existing popularity. this should be stopped because it is detrimental in my opinion

But how do we stop it because nowadays with so many ways to broadcast the match, it won't be a problem for the promoter to keep broadcasting it.
They can choose broadcasting media that doesn't forbid them to keep providing entertainment to people.
In addition, people will also definitely look for wherever the match will be broadcast because they feel that the match already entertains them.
This should come back to the individual because if more and more people disagree with the spectacle and choose not to watch it, then the game will not earn much money and in the end, the matches will stop.

I absolutely agree with you. Promoters create a hype around a sporting event, which means they attract not only spectators but also advertisers and sponsors, without which athletes' income would be severely diminished. That's why I think that nowadays the promotion is the main vector that helps athletes to strive to achieve better results.

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Quote from: molsewid on August 22, 2022, 03:21:15 AM

Quote from: rodskee on August 22, 2022, 12:57:50 AM

actually recently ? sports are becoming more on Hyping depending on how the fans wanted to response and react about the matches no matter if these are fair or not , just like in Boxing recently that Youtubers are being matched with professional boxers ?

If we will look deeply about the situation of our gambling field in sports betting or even the sports itself?
we will find that this is all Hyping and the gains for the promoter and the player but not the respect for the sports itself.

so lets get out of this and brings back how Sports move in the past with full respect in specific sports.

To be honest, you have a point. People nowadays become interested in sports because of the influencers or the fansclub they are making. I remember a conference here wherein people only shows attention to the sports because of the influencers and those individuals they are making fun with but the real essence of the game is not there anymore, some or the organizers are taking advantage this thing because it is more about the money.

and that makes me sad as a Sports lover since younger years when sports are being respected and being treat as a precious area of entertainment and skills, nowadays sports are becoming more on popularization and making money more than the real version in which to bring Name and honor to their country or their states .
now almost every sports game happens with money and with popularity .

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Quote from: D ltr on August 22, 2022, 10:41:12 AM

Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 03, 2022, 01:17:25 AM

Should we allow or support internet sensations to fight in the ring

everything can be done at this time, it's up to you because this is already an entertainment industry meant by holding this match, but I don't agree with the promoter where the promoter clearly wants to make money with the existing popularity. this should be stopped because it is detrimental in my opinion

But how do we stop it because nowadays with so many ways to broadcast the match, it won't be a problem for the promoter to keep broadcasting it.
They can choose broadcasting media that doesn't forbid them to keep providing entertainment to people.
In addition, people will also definitely look for wherever the match will be broadcast because they feel that the match already entertains them.
This should come back to the individual because if more and more people disagree with the spectacle and choose not to watch it, then the game will not earn much money and in the end, the matches will stop.

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Boxing is a sport that is enjoyed by the enthusiasts. It is a kind of recreational activity wherein the strength of the boxers are measured through their overall performance. I think people doing boxing are in it for either one of the things you've mentioned or mixed of both. To some people with amazing strength and stamina, boxing is their way to make name and of course, to make money.

Making a reputation in boxing industry is no joke. You will undergo tremendous hardships such as training and the actual fight itself to develop more of your potential. Some people start small and eventually get big. Some initially started because of money, while some are in it because of their passion to fight and showcase their ability.

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