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Quote from: D ltr on August 22, 2022, 11:41:12 AM

Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 03, 2022, 02:17:25 AM

Should we allow or support internet sensations to fight in the ring

everything can be done at this time, it's up to you because this is already an entertainment industry meant by holding this match, but I don't agree with the promoter where the promoter clearly wants to make money with the existing popularity. this should be stopped because it is detrimental in my opinion

I don't think so, entertainment has cost. If you want to get entertained then you need to spend money. Promoters are selling fights to the audience. It is up to the audience's decision if they will buy the exhibition match presented by the promoter. It is not only the exhibition match that wanted to make money but the whole sports industry.

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Quote from: STT on August 22, 2022, 05:01:50 PM

Fortunately or unfortunately its a modern phenomena, people like the hype even if its purely for show not actual competitive sport; this wont be a one off but I do think trends move on and people get bored of fake.

Thanks to social media we are seeing something weird like this, they made participants like larger-than-life heroes I was impressed when I first saw the Iranian Hulk on the internet is full of muscles and has a slim waist, he really looks like a hulk and I also though he is a very tall man when I saw him in his face off against Ford, he is just an overweight guy and Ford is towering over him, it turns out many of his picture in the internet are photoshopped make him appear like a hulk.

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The crowd is mainstream and a large part are not otherwise viewers of boxing, its probably to the benefit of boxing to have a widely publicized match that isnt for any actual belt. I dont see how it could be banned from taking place really, it would be a poor form of censorship if it were.
Fortunately or unfortunately its a modern phenomena, people like the hype even if its purely for show not actual competitive sport; this wont be a one off but I do think trends move on and people get bored of fake.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 03, 2022, 02:17:25 AM

Should we allow or support internet sensations to fight in the ring

everything can be done at this time, it's up to you because this is already an entertainment industry meant by holding this match, but I don't agree with the promoter where the promoter clearly wants to make money with the existing popularity. this should be stopped because it is detrimental in my opinion

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on August 22, 2022, 03:03:51 AM

Internet sensations and celebrity influencers are indeed making a mockery of the noble sport of boxing, if you were to ask me...

I have never liked seeing these "pretend" matches which only serve as entertainment for the lowest of minds in the world of boxing.

Although maybe they are just fillers because there are not enough famous boxers fighting, so they try to fill in the time with the celebrity influencer clowns.

Some people really don't like watching "pretend" matches because we don't see the seriousness of each player. But we also cannot reject their habit of providing similar entertainment later and what we can do is turn off the television or watch other broadcasts that can entertain us. Those who make entertainment are trying to present something that can give something different to the audience and even if some people don't like it, they will still do it again because that's where the money flows into their account.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on August 22, 2022, 03:03:51 AM

Internet sensations and celebrity influencers are indeed making a mockery of the noble sport of boxing, if you were to ask me...

I have never liked seeing these "pretend" matches which only serve as entertainment for the lowest of minds in the world of boxing.

Although maybe they are just fillers because there are not enough famous boxers fighting, so they try to fill in the time with the celebrity influencer clowns.

You may look at it that way and I fully understand why you don't like them. I am a bit inclined to have an open mind and just let things flow in the sports industry without thinking too much. Often times exhibition fight such as internet sensation vs. sports legend are created to cater fund and support some charity. It is somehow a noble act entertaining the sports fans and at the same time giving part of the fund raised to help people but yeah, sometimes it is a mockery of the seriousness of sports.

More often it was announced as an exhibition fight and literally, it was clear to everyone about the nature of the said fight was compared to a title fight. So I think this won't affect the sports industry nor their reputation as well knowing that someone or group of people will benefit from the money earned from this. And this kind of event will still be going to continue as long as there is someone who would offer it.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on August 22, 2022, 03:03:51 AM

Internet sensations and celebrity influencers are indeed making a mockery of the noble sport of boxing, if you were to ask me...

I have never liked seeing these "pretend" matches which only serve as entertainment for the lowest of minds in the world of boxing.

Although maybe they are just fillers because there are not enough famous boxers fighting, so they try to fill in the time with the celebrity influencer clowns.

You may look at it that way and I fully understand why you don't like them. I am a bit inclined to have an open mind and just let things flow in the sports industry without thinking too much. Often times exhibition fight such as internet sensation vs. sports legend are created to cater fund and support some charity. It is somehow a noble act entertaining the sports fans and at the same time giving part of the fund raised to help people but yeah, sometimes it is a mockery of the seriousness of sports.

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Quote from: molsewid on August 22, 2022, 04:21:15 AM

To be honest, you have a point. People nowadays become interested in sports because of the influencers or the fansclub they are making. I remember a conference here wherein people only shows attention to the sports because of the influencers and those individuals they are making fun with but the real essence of the game is not there anymore, some or the organizers are taking advantage this thing because it is more about the money.

Being influenced by a person shouldn't be a problem in my opinion, we all are influenced by one or two players in every sport. I remember when Ronaldo was still playing for Spain, they all love him for who he his and the club(Real Madrid) he was playing for, he is still the highest goal scorer to date but the moment they announced his transfer to England, one-third of the fans followed him, now imagine how many the number of sales ticket the new club will make from these fans.

Sport is business, the same way it's been done in Boxing too, they have to make ways or even compromised some matches just to stay relevant that's why you see some fight doesn't worth your time spent in watching them.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on August 22, 2022, 03:03:51 AM

Internet sensations and celebrity influencers are indeed making a mockery of the noble sport of boxing, if you were to ask me...

I have never liked seeing these "pretend" matches which only serve as entertainment for the lowest of minds in the world of boxing.

Although maybe they are just fillers because there are not enough famous boxers fighting, so they try to fill in the time with the celebrity influencer clowns.

the exhibition matches proliferated when we were still in the height of pandemic where real boxing matches were not yet scheduled owed to covid protocols and others. remember, a lot of these boxers got covid and so many of the matches were also suspended or delayed. i believe, these exhibition matches will slowly lose their popularity when the boxing fans already have enough of these "fake" matches and are not selling anymore. but as long as these promoters can milk such kind of fight, they will promote it.

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Quote from: rodskee on August 22, 2022, 01:57:50 AM

actually recently ? sports are becoming more on Hyping depending on how the fans wanted to response and react about the matches no matter if these are fair or not , just like in Boxing recently that Youtubers are being matched with professional boxers ?

If we will look deeply about the situation of our gambling field in sports betting or even the sports itself?
we will find that this is all Hyping and the gains for the promoter and the player but not the respect for the sports itself.

so lets get out of this and brings back how Sports move in the past with full respect in specific sports.

To be honest, you have a point. People nowadays become interested in sports because of the influencers or the fansclub they are making. I remember a conference here wherein people only shows attention to the sports because of the influencers and those individuals they are making fun with but the real essence of the game is not there anymore, some or the organizers are taking advantage this thing because it is more about the money.

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Internet sensations and celebrity influencers are indeed making a mockery of the noble sport of boxing, if you were to ask me...

I have never liked seeing these "pretend" matches which only serve as entertainment for the lowest of minds in the world of boxing.

Although maybe they are just fillers because there are not enough famous boxers fighting, so they try to fill in the time with the celebrity influencer clowns.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 03, 2022, 02:17:25 AM

Should we allow or support internet sensations to fight in the ring I'm ok with the Paul brothers but these two other so-called internet sensations are making a mockery of boxing.

Boxing is the same as any other sport, it's a form of entertainment that is meant to attract viewers. Without any viewers there would be no sponsors and no money in the game. Professional athletes couldn't afford to only be involved in the sport and need a real job. Money plays a big role in any sport and makes it also more desirable for young kids to follow a career in sports. The biggest events are usually the world champion ship games or big title fights, that attract the most viewers and will also generate the most money. And in today's time things seem to be changing, if big internet stars can attract an millions of viewers for amateur fights. Without the internet this would have never been possible. To me it seems this is all about the money and people use the excuse of feuds between each other to settle it in the ring. Trash talking has always been part of boxing and helps to make it a bigger event. There will always be more viewers if two big rivals fight each other than if two friends fight each other.

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Quote from: Wexnident on August 22, 2022, 01:37:16 AM

Quote from: Fortify on August 21, 2022, 03:18:30 PM

At that level of fighting, it's all about the money, but obviously they train very hard still and want to win - because that gains them access to future fights and the winner takes a larger amount of earnings home.

I honestly don't think that's true for this match. Even if it's an exhibition match, the least they could do is match players with a similar skill level or so, it wasn't even a matter of training hard, it's like matching someone who trained for 20 years to someone who just picked up working out a week ago. I wouldn't really consider it as anything else other than a simple hype exhibition, wouldn't even call it a match really. To simplify, it's like the odds between a very weak vs a very strong team.

actually recently ? sports are becoming more on Hyping depending on how the fans wanted to response and react about the matches no matter if these are fair or not , just like in Boxing recently that Youtubers are being matched with professional boxers ?

If we will look deeply about the situation of our gambling field in sports betting or even the sports itself?
we will find that this is all Hyping and the gains for the promoter and the player but not the respect for the sports itself.

so lets get out of this and brings back how Sports move in the past with full respect in specific sports.

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Quote from: Fortify on August 21, 2022, 03:18:30 PM

At that level of fighting, it's all about the money, but obviously they train very hard still and want to win - because that gains them access to future fights and the winner takes a larger amount of earnings home.

I honestly don't think that's true for this match. Even if it's an exhibition match, the least they could do is match players with a similar skill level or so, it wasn't even a matter of training hard, it's like matching someone who trained for 20 years to someone who just picked up working out a week ago. I wouldn't really consider it as anything else other than a simple hype exhibition, wouldn't even call it a match really. To simplify, it's like the odds between a very weak vs a very strong team.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 03, 2022, 02:17:25 AM

Should we allow or support internet sensations to fight in the ring

It's up to you because this has entered the industrial area and the goal is to make money, if you feel this is not something worth watching or if it turns out that a ridiculous match is in the bookmaker's bet simple just ignore it, and I think nothing can stop this is because the orientation makes money that as long as they get money this type of match will reappear, and I don't think this will affect the actual sport of boxing at all.

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Quote from: Fortify on August 21, 2022, 03:18:30 PM

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Everybody here has seen the Iranian Hulk Sajad Gharibi match against The Kazakh Titan Djumanov Almat Bakhytovich, these two are fierce rivals as internet sensations for having huge bodies like incredible hulk they finally settle their differences in the ring but unfortunately it's not the kind of fight that we want to see because it's too one-sided and it did not live through the hype

Obviously, the Iranian Hulk Sajad Gharibi match signed to this fight unprepared and with zero boxing skills, even an amateur boxer can beat this guy with Hulkster, watching this fight made me think that promoters are just exploiting their popularity and these so-called internet sensations just want to have a quick buck.

Should we allow or support internet sensations to fight in the ring I'm ok with the Paul brothers but these two other so-called internet sensations are making a mockery of boxing.

Watch the whole fight here
https://dailymmafighting.com/watch-kazakh-titan-dropped-iranian-hulk-in-first-round/

At that level of fighting, it's all about the money, but obviously they train very hard still and want to win - because that gains them access to future fights and the winner takes a larger amount of earnings home. I don't know much about Sajad Gharibi but surely somebody nicknamed "The Hulk" has a lot of strength which is a pretty important attribute for a boxer to begin. Places like Saudi Arabia are throwing out a lot of money in order to attract these fights, and while I doubt they'll be hosting an Iranian, it just goes to show that they are highly popular entertainment and draw in large crowds. If this Iranian is going in fully aware of the skill discrepancy, then there should be nothing stopping it.

Yes, you're right, in fact a person or a fighter nicknamed "Hulk" is scary just knowing it, I don't know, but if boxing is expanding much more in Arabia, it means that the money that moves is a lot, and this It is undoubtedly what attracts boxers as well, the amount of money they can earn can certainly fix any damage in their lives, but here they are clearly presenting the best option as a business model, even as it is above sport, which does not seem fair to me, the interest in sport should prevail over money, I know that the bets that would be moved would be many, all this means that some things are lost.

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Quote from: molsewid on August 21, 2022, 06:41:42 PM

We can't say that if the match is not yet started. Maybe yes it is an exhibition match only but can we consider that they are still both a boxer? Yes there will be money involved and it maybe they are not equal in terms of experience that's why many people find it unfair and can be considered an exploit and only fixed match, but let us see if it is really a matter of money and not an interesting one.

can't say what? that they were bad fighters? that their match was cringe-worthy? that they didn't train enough for their match? also, already over in case you didn't know, just check the OP's post you'll see a link to their full match.

anyway, everyone knows that the fight was just about money(or probably some clout) and nothing more.

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Quote from: molsewid on August 21, 2022, 06:41:42 PM

We can't say that if the match is not yet started. Maybe yes it is an exhibition match only but can we consider that they are still both a boxer? Yes there will be money involved and it maybe they are not equal in terms of experience that's why many people find it unfair and can be considered an exploit and only fixed match, but let us see if it is really a matter of money and not an interesting one.

Before a match happens, they're telling it that it's an exhibition or a titled one. And from that, you'll know if it's a professional fighter or just an entertaining fight for the fans that have been pushing matches like this for their idols. That's how these matches are earning when there's a hype and the fans are following an issue that's been known online and they're capitalizing with the situation and taking advantage of it while it's still hot and being talked so, they fight.

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Quote from: Cookdata on August 21, 2022, 06:34:29 PM

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Obviously it is happening for the money, that is why the organizers always pick the best rivalries or popular people so they can sell out completely and also get more money from the sponsors and you know the fighters also getting paid in millions so just like any business this uses the human excitement to make money.

I don't like to bet my money against this type of sport, they are sometimes just based on entertainment and the final say from the anonymous decision makers, they know how to play their cards and know who to favour in most of the matches, this is something you cannot do in football because you can't manipulate 11 players on the field or tell the strikers and wingers not to do their job but boxers are just different. Kamaru Usman and Anthony Joshua's last match came to my mind, who would have thought Kamaru would fall down helplessly like that and most people thought AJ will do anything to retain his champions belt.

It is indeed not worth to place bet on exhibition matches, as you have no idea if they have prior arrangement or not.
As mostly, they are after for their possible paycheck, it doesn't matter if they really did train hard or not.
Most promoters are looking for how will the popularity of their boxer can gain more viewers or buyers of their ticket.
Because after all, it is only an exhibition match and no belt is involve. So what else they would be after here?

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Quote from: acroman08 on August 21, 2022, 05:02:53 PM

Quote from: Fortify on August 21, 2022, 03:18:30 PM

At that level of fighting, it's all about the money, but obviously they train very hard still and want to win - because that gains them access to future fights and the winner takes a larger amount of earnings home.

judging on their fight, I doubt they actually train hard. no offence to them but watching the fight is cringe-worthy, none of the two knows how to properly punch or how to defend. if they want to get future fights and actually entertain people with proper boxing they'd need to train and learn more about boxing.

We can't say that if the match is not yet started. Maybe yes it is an exhibition match only but can we consider that they are still both a boxer? Yes there will be money involved and it maybe they are not equal in terms of experience that's why many people find it unfair and can be considered an exploit and only fixed match, but let us see if it is really a matter of money and not an interesting one.

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