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Topic: Is it time to get rid of Linux/JavaScript/Python kids? - page 5. (Read 6913 times)

legendary
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May Bitcoin be touched by his Noodly Appendage
Nice shitstorm OP
10/10
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
Certainly not, but it's a programming environment, not a point-n-click web app generator.  As a programmer, I'm pretty sure you understand the difference.

Actually CIYAM is also a "programming environment" (although you *can* generate web apps easily also) - my point being that the next generation of programming is going to look a lot more like what I've demonstrated (I would also recommend looking at Intentional Software).

I am pretty sure that the future of software is "software manufacturing" (although maybe not my particular way of doing this of course).
sr. member
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However, the newer ASP.NET MVC platform is the best thing since sliced bread (in my opinion anyways)

Can you create a complex website as easily as this with it: https://ciyam.org/slideshow.html ?


Certainly not, but it's a programming environment, not a point-n-click web app generator.  As a programmer, I'm pretty sure you understand the difference.
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
However, the newer ASP.NET MVC platform is the best thing since sliced bread (in my opinion anyways)

Can you create a complex website as easily as this with it: https://ciyam.org/slideshow.html ?
sr. member
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Simply put from my experience, the main reason that these web apps are HTML/CSS/PHP/Python/Apache/JavaScript/MySQL is because that is what is taught at University if you went there to learn how to code for the web.

Most all web devs that left school in the new millennium regard building for the web using .NET as akin to using tables when creating a layout.

For better or worse, .NET will eventually die a death, purely from not being what is recommended. I have seen several complex web projects which were basically ASP/.NET web projects being converted to HTML/PHP.

Whether you consider this good or not, I leave that up to you.


As a .NET guy myself who has also done lots of Java and PHP dev, I can say that "classic" ASP and ASP.NET webforms should certainly die a horrible death. 

However, the newer ASP.NET MVC platform is the best thing since sliced bread (in my opinion anyways)
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Simply put from my experience, the main reason that these web apps are HTML/CSS/PHP/Python/Apache/JavaScript/MySQL is because that is what is taught at University if you went there to learn how to code for the web.

Most all web devs that left school in the new millennium regard building for the web using .NET as akin to using tables when creating a layout.

For better or worse, .NET will eventually die a death, purely from not being what is recommended. I have seen several complex web projects which were basically ASP/.NET web projects being converted to HTML/PHP.

Whether you consider this good or not, I leave that up to you.
hero member
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
i know what solipsism is, i did just claim it in the other discussion to win.
And by doing so, you lost.
im winning!


(remind you of anyone?)
Only the most awesome man currently alive. More Tiger Blood than you can handle.
legendary
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You are WRONG!
i know what solipsism is, i did just claim it in the other discussion to win.
And by doing so, you lost.
im winning!


(remind you of anyone?)
hero member
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IMO, beside the scammers, the incompetence of these kids is one of the biggest obstacles to solid Bitcoin services.

How about some industrial-strength Microsoft Web servers, ASP MVC, .NET and C++ programming of the adults?

correct on 2 points - python and javascript are for sloppy jizzwipes. As is Microsoft. Code in C on Linux is the only thing i respect... C++ = faggotry.

hero member
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
i know what solipsism is, i did just claim it in the other discussion to win.
And by doing so, you lost.
legendary
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Merit: 1000
You are WRONG!
My Lord! What have I unleashed?!!
Nothing. you don't exist, and can therefor not take any actions.
legendary
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You are WRONG!
You're forgetting. You're the solipsist here. I know there to be an objective reality.
are you sure about that? Wink

I'm just reminding you that, as a solipsist, you cannot know anything. You can only think you know something, and even that might just be what the vat-brain computer is telling you.
i think, therefor i use linux(if you think a little bit about it, its true). Cheesy

i know what solipsism is, i did just claim it in the other discussion to win. I imagined a scenario where UPB was not applicable.

but yeah as a solipsist i cannot know anything, that is not based on "i think, therefor at least something exist". but you are allowed to imagine all possible things.
full member
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My Lord! What have I unleashed?!!
hero member
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
And now you're asking your imaginary friend to define the conversation you're having with him?
oh no. you are talking to your imaginary friend, trying to mess with his imaginary mind.
You're forgetting. You're the solipsist here. I know there to be an objective reality. I'm just reminding you that, as a solipsist, you cannot know anything. You can only think you know something, and even that might just be what the vat-brain computer is telling you.
legendary
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You are WRONG!
And now you're asking your imaginary friend to define the conversation you're having with him?
oh no. you are talking to your imaginary friend, trying to mess with his imaginary mind.

Boy, are we messed in the head, or what?
yup much. Cheesy and thats why its funny.
hero member
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
If I am just a figment of your imagination, and all this is in your head, then this has been you all along, and you are having an argument with yourself.

And if you're arguing with yourself, you're certainly not competent to judge what operating system you are using, much less whether or not you even have a computer.

Wouldn't you say so? (or did you just?)
No. Because [if I am] able to impersonate 2 [people] at once I must be twice as intelligent as both, and intelligent people [do] not use windows.
Even were that true (and can you claim it is, if since there is no such thing as objective truth?), it does not follow that a) you must have a computer, and b) that it is running Linux.

For one, you could just be imagining that you are impersonating two people at once, in which case you would not need a computer at all, and secondly, if you do have a computer, and if it is true that "smart people do not use Windows," then you might be using a Mac. Or even BSD.
im imaginating that im using linux, and therefor it must be true. and you are inconsistent anyways you are a believer in NAP, remember? 
You still haven't explained how that's inconsistent, and we're not talking about that. Don't try to change the subject. We're talking about the fact that you may be a brain in a vat, and therefore unable to state anything conclusively, even about what OS your computer is using, or even if you have a computer or not. All you know is that you think that you do, and you think it is running Linux.
what are our premises in this discussion? except vat-brain... do i have free will? determinism/non-determinism?
And now you're asking your imaginary friend to define the conversation you're having with him?

Boy, are we messed in the head, or what?
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1000
You are WRONG!
If I am just a figment of your imagination, and all this is in your head, then this has been you all along, and you are having an argument with yourself.

And if you're arguing with yourself, you're certainly not competent to judge what operating system you are using, much less whether or not you even have a computer.

Wouldn't you say so? (or did you just?)
No. Because [if I am] able to impersonate 2 [people] at once I must be twice as intelligent as both, and intelligent people [do] not use windows.
Even were that true (and can you claim it is, if since there is no such thing as objective truth?), it does not follow that a) you must have a computer, and b) that it is running Linux.

For one, you could just be imagining that you are impersonating two people at once, in which case you would not need a computer at all, and secondly, if you do have a computer, and if it is true that "smart people do not use Windows," then you might be using a Mac. Or even BSD.
im imaginating that im using linux, and therefor it must be true. and you are inconsistent anyways you are a believer in NAP, remember? 
You still haven't explained how that's inconsistent, and we're not talking about that. Don't try to change the subject. We're talking about the fact that you may be a brain in a vat, and therefore unable to state anything conclusively, even about what OS your computer is using, or even if you have a computer or not. All you know is that you think that you do, and you think it is running Linux.
what are our premises in this discussion? except vat-brain... do i have free will? determinism/non-determinism?
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
If I am just a figment of your imagination, and all this is in your head, then this has been you all along, and you are having an argument with yourself.

And if you're arguing with yourself, you're certainly not competent to judge what operating system you are using, much less whether or not you even have a computer.

Wouldn't you say so? (or did you just?)
No. Because [if I am] able to impersonate 2 [people] at once I must be twice as intelligent as both, and intelligent people [do] not use windows.
Even were that true (and can you claim it is, if since there is no such thing as objective truth?), it does not follow that a) you must have a computer, and b) that it is running Linux.

For one, you could just be imagining that you are impersonating two people at once, in which case you would not need a computer at all, and secondly, if you do have a computer, and if it is true that "smart people do not use Windows," then you might be using a Mac. Or even BSD.
im imaginating that im using linux, and therefor it must be true. and you are inconsistent anyways you are a believer in NAP, remember? 
You still haven't explained how that's inconsistent, and we're not talking about that. Don't try to change the subject. We're talking about the fact that you may be a brain in a vat, and therefore unable to state anything conclusively, even about what OS your computer is using, or even if you have a computer or not. All you know is that you think that you do, and you think it is running Linux.
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1000
You are WRONG!
If I am just a figment of your imagination, and all this is in your head, then this has been you all along, and you are having an argument with yourself.

And if you're arguing with yourself, you're certainly not competent to judge what operating system you are using, much less whether or not you even have a computer.

Wouldn't you say so? (or did you just?)
No. Because [if I am] able to impersonate 2 [people] at once I must be twice as intelligent as both, and intelligent people [do] not use windows.
Even were that true (and can you claim it is, if since there is no such thing as objective truth?), it does not follow that a) you must have a computer, and b) that it is running Linux.

For one, you could just be imagining that you are impersonating two people at once, in which case you would not need a computer at all, and secondly, if you do have a computer, and if it is true that "smart people do not use Windows," then you might be using a Mac. Or even BSD.
im imaginating that im using linux, and therefor it must be true. and you are inconsistent anyways you are a believer in NAP, remember? 
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
If I am just a figment of your imagination, and all this is in your head, then this has been you all along, and you are having an argument with yourself.

And if you're arguing with yourself, you're certainly not competent to judge what operating system you are using, much less whether or not you even have a computer.

Wouldn't you say so? (or did you just?)
No. Because [if I am] able to impersonate 2 [people] at once I must be twice as intelligent as both, and intelligent people [do] not use windows.
Even were that true (and can you claim it is, if there is no such thing as objective truth?), it does not follow that a) you must have a computer, and b) that it is running Linux.

For one, you could just be imagining that you are impersonating two people at once, in which case you would not need a computer at all, and secondly, if you do have a computer, and if it is true that "smart people do not use Windows," then you might be using a Mac. Or even BSD.
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