To be honest this is negligence on the part of the security person who should know when & how to use the fire arm and when to use lethal force...even if this guy was trigger happy, the least he should have done was to fire warning ⚠️ shots and not firing at the crowd who didn't pose any danger to the restaurant..
Anyway it's a lesson to everyone, but unfortunately this has happened before like OP said and these kind of matches at starting to be dangerous, people need to watch these games from home to preserve lives!!!
Topic: Is it worth dying for a football club?? Let's find out. (Read 722 times)
The security agencies have to investigate thoroughly on the cause to the crisis, those involved as well as the weight of the damage caused and the number of human lives involved, i think giving a jail terms is the simplest they can even offer because the lives lost are gone already and couldn't be recovered, while after serving some years on jail terms they can be free, they should only make sure to apprehend the exact perpetrators on this.
Jail time should really be that longer or lets say lifetime imprisonment on which anything that do connects or pertains about killing someone or murder then it should be automatically having this kind of duration in terms of imprisonment. We do know that when it comes into this aspect then it will really be that totally not just that too heavy for the duration on where they have just that be free after the years of being in prison but we do know that life isnt something that could really be exchange. Im not really that being too harsh since anyone deserves second chance but killing up someone due to some reason is really that unforgivable.Just like on what others been saying that the main reason on why people are really that skeptical on playing into outside or making up some bets or seeing live events just because of this particular possibilities that could really happen.
I have also avoided going to places where there are armed people, especially not going to physical casinos in my country because I have seen that at the entrance to the physical casino there are armed people and there have been fights between people. I believe it is because the people who lost money in the casino are angry when they leave the casino and take out their hatred on other people. This happens in private places in my country where there are big TVs for people to watch football games while drinking alcohol. The saddest thing is that when the game ends, people are very drunk and start fighting and not even the security guards can stop the fights, as a result we see blood in the streets and injured people being taken to the hospital.
Well, I must say that is quite unfortunate to read.
Here in my country we also have physical places for people to bet on games and also enjoy the matches while they are served alcohol, but I have never seen such an scene of people fighting and taking their fight onto the streets and spilling blood on the pavement due to them getting angry at losing money, and sincerely, it is something I desire never to witness personally...
It would be better if instead of people with guns stationed in the entrance of those betting shops, there were trained people to use non-lethal force and put down drunk people without compromising their physical well being.
I assume culture in your country towards law enforcement is different from here, because most of people are actually scare of cops and military people here, due to how easy is for one to end up in prison with no previous and fair trial or valid reason...
The security agencies have to investigate thoroughly on the cause to the crisis, those involved as well as the weight of the damage caused and the number of human lives involved, i think giving a jail terms is the simplest they can even offer because the lives lost are gone already and couldn't be recovered, while after serving some years on jail terms they can be free, they should only make sure to apprehend the exact perpetrators on this.
Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
Its normal for fans to celebrate after the wins of their favorite team; the manager is out of his mind in order to open fire at the crowd. If you fire directly at the crowd without an existing threat, then its murder; it can even be called a massacre, so both the manager and the guard are guilty of murder as a result of indiscriminate firing.
No fans should die from celebrating; they are celebrating out of support; they don't deserve to get killed by the act of these two idiots.
First of all a common security guard isn't supposed to use a gun, he's supposed to have a teaser only. Most people say that there's a spirit behind the trigger, at that moment you might be consumed with the power it gives you over someone else. But This is absolute garbage, no matter what must have happened taking his life wasn't the best way to go about it. He should be dealt with, murder is a sin against God and man. Jail should be a fair price for him but it should be life in prison so he doesn't get that chance to do that to someone else. Some people abuse a little power they have and try to oppress others with it
This is not the right way of handling such a situation. When someone is watching soccer along with a big crowd, there'll be noise. Another thing people can watch from home with utmost comfort, but they reach here to cheer and enjoy the moments. People will be drunk, and that makes them cheer and make more noise than a common soccer fan. Gambling and broadcast locations are getting to be murder locations. People need to realise that there need to be proper arrangements to keep things under control. In such situations these kinds of incidents could be avoided.
Another sad story that has to do with the Arsenal fans. It's annoying how people never learn their lesson after several similar stories have been shared on the internet. Maybe the current victims don't get to read the newspaper or listen to the radio.
Your question "is jail a fair price?". My anser to that is no unless its life in jail. He should be executed or never to be granted bail for life. This is what will be seen as a fair judgement.
Your question "is jail a fair price?". My anser to that is no unless its life in jail. He should be executed or never to be granted bail for life. This is what will be seen as a fair judgement.
First of all a common security guard isn't supposed to use a gun, he's supposed to have a teaser only. Most people say that there's a spirit behind the trigger, at that moment you might be consumed with the power it gives you over someone else. But This is absolute garbage, no matter what must have happened taking his life wasn't the best way to go about it. He should be dealt with, murder is a sin against God and man. Jail should be a fair price for him but it should be life in prison so he doesn't get that chance to do that to someone else. Some people abuse a little power they have and try to oppress others with it
This is not the right way of handling such a situation. When someone is watching soccer along with a big crowd, there'll be noise. Another thing people can watch from home with utmost comfort, but they reach here to cheer and enjoy the moments. People will be drunk, and that makes them cheer and make more noise than a common soccer fan. Gambling and broadcast locations are getting to be murder locations. People need to realise that there need to be proper arrangements to keep things under control. In such situations these kinds of incidents could be avoided. 
First of all a common security guard isn't supposed to use a gun, he's supposed to have a teaser only. Most people say that there's a spirit behind the trigger, at that moment you might be consumed with the power it gives you over someone else. But This is absolute garbage, no matter what must have happened taking his life wasn't the best way to go about it. He should be dealt with, murder is a sin against God and man. Jail should be a fair price for him but it should be life in prison so he doesn't get that chance to do that to someone else. Some people abuse a little power they have and try to oppress others with it
The direct answer is no, but we also need to see from a fan’s perspective. Generally a fan becomes a diehard fan when he doesn’t have any person to love. He finds joy in the team and specifically for a player. He relates to the players of the club and hence supports them. But yes, we need to also know our limits. We know that, when you win something big, you celebrate a lot, and clearly the club’s win was something like a personal win for the fan. But the dying incident was something that was very unexpected.
It is so painful I must say and believe me that is one of the reasons am not too comfortable going to a viewing center to watch football match, at most times even when I manage to go I don't stay much longer enough till the end of the match. But however, it is an unforseen circumstance that took someone life even at the peak of celebration, it would have been more better if it was an injury he sustain but death is so painful, well situation like this is not longer new we have heard it several times, we have to be watchful if anytime we find ourselves such in crowd, I believe there must have been sign of possibility of such thing happening before it happened. 
A fan of the English Premier League club, Arsenal,
Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
The guard is the one that shot and not the manager so the guard is to be blamed, because his Boss didn't tell him to shoot but to only to calm down the noise. It's the duty of the security to calm a noisy place if directed by his Boss but not to do it in a harmful way. The manager didn't do anything wrong, he might not know that it was the excitement from the match that led to such noise. Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
Killing is not reasonable in our time. If the guard kill a person, regardless of what that murdered man did, its still killing and punishable by law. If they have to prove it fair the they will have to battle in court which they will prove the man shoot his gun. The fact is fact. The murderer will find it fair when he is in jail, its not a good place.
A fan of the English Premier League club, Arsenal, John Ssenyonga, was fatally shot on Wednesday night while celebrating his team’s 2-0 victory over Manchester United.
According to the BBC, the noise from the crowd infuriated the manager of the building who asked the guard to intervene while he switched off power at the restaurant.
The move reportedly annoyed the fans who decided to make more noise at the restaurant, causing the security guard to open fire. In that frenzy, 30-year-old Ssenyonga was hit while another was injured.
The case has been taken over by the department of Police and the two culprits, the guard and the manager as reportedly on the run.
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The manager did not order the shooting so he would have had just a little sentence if any but his actions has made him an accomplice in the case. He wouldn't have ran away instead, he would have call the police reporting the incident or even turn himself in and make a statement that he ran away for safety to avoid being killed by the noisy fans who might have been infuriated by the shooting from the security guard. According to the BBC, the noise from the crowd infuriated the manager of the building who asked the guard to intervene while he switched off power at the restaurant.
The move reportedly annoyed the fans who decided to make more noise at the restaurant, causing the security guard to open fire. In that frenzy, 30-year-old Ssenyonga was hit while another was injured.
The case has been taken over by the department of Police and the two culprits, the guard and the manager as reportedly on the run.
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Its such a shame that a beautiful game like football is now being turned to something of enmity whereas it was designed for entertainment, unity people and building bridges.
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What it seems weird to me it is how the whole situation devolved so quickly, as if the guards did not have the suitable training to calm down crowds before using lethal force against anyone. They were supposed only to take out their Guns to spread the people causing trouble and never directly to shoot at them.
That is one of the reasons I dont like to attend events in which it is very likely to find people bearing arms, I don't know how people in countries like the United States deal with the combination of sports and guns, And I am not even adding alcohol and drugs to the whole equation...
It would have been more proper to give taser guns to those security guards, instead of actual fire weapons, it would have prevented this tragedy from happening.
I have also avoided going to places where there are armed people, especially not going to physical casinos in my country because I have seen that at the entrance to the physical casino there are armed people and there have been fights between people. I believe it is because the people who lost money in the casino are angry when they leave the casino and take out their hatred on other people. This happens in private places in my country where there are big TVs for people to watch football games while drinking alcohol. The saddest thing is that when the game ends, people are very drunk and start fighting and not even the security guards can stop the fights, as a result we see blood in the streets and injured people being taken to the hospital.
Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
Its a case of homicide; there's always a culprit when a gun is fired and someone drops dead coming from that shot. There's such a thing as a rule when you're firing a gun; you cannot have a license and just fire a gun; you owe all the consequences whatever happens afterwards. There's a right way of firing a gun to stop the crowd; licensed gun owners know that, not fire directly, and the manager can be an accessory because the order came from him.
If there is another option to do such warning, then go on that route. A more safer way is always the better way to approach a situation. As much as possible, no person should be put in a tight position where their life is under a threat.
And if you are in the crowd, then, find a way how to get away from that situation. Don't wait for something to happen before you find an exit. But stay calm and assess the situation. Don't ever think to disarm the person unless absolutely necessary. And ask for help once you got a safe exit. It may help other people who are still in the jurisdiction of trouble.
There's a right way of firing a gun to stop the crowd; licensed gun owners know that, not fire directly.
There's definitely a proper way of handling firearms depending on what your motives are, but this ain't no shocker that a bullet hits someone within range, on the ground when a gun is rapidly fired in the air... This is a no brainer!In all, it's a homicide and that's what matters to the authorities... But that could be any of us someday if we don't avoid it -- how do you avoid that? By staying in your fucking Lodge and apartments unless it's really necessary to step out. You could watch football matches in viewing centers and that's just fine, but learn to be on guard -- exit any place IMMEDIATELY WHEN YOU BEGIN TO SMELL TROUBLE!!
Dude's gone and justice is YEARNING to take it's due course, guess what? That's not gonna bring him back. Yes, "prevention is better than cure"
That being said, I don't think it's gonna have alot to do with the manager himself though...
Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
Its a case of homicide; there's always a culprit when a gun is fired and someone drops dead coming from that shot. There's such a thing as a rule when you're firing a gun; you cannot have a license and just fire a gun; you owe all the consequences whatever happens afterwards. There's a right way of firing a gun to stop the crowd; licensed gun owners know that, not fire directly, and the manager can be an accessory because the order came from him.
Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
The manager only asked the security guard to break up the commotion, not to make it more chaotic. and the security guard clearly made a mistake in trying to calm them down, and I don't know if the shots were intentionally aimed at the fans or just warning shots. But it was a reckless act, where he pulled the trigger in the dark, so that in the end the bullet hit someone. And now the two officers have to bear the consequences of their recklessness.
On the other hand, this is also a warning for us football fans, not to be too excessive in celebrating a victory, let alone making a commotion. when we are happy, then show that happiness by doing more positive things, don't let the happiness we celebrate actually ruin the happiness of others.
You know, when I saw this topic I thought he actually killed himself or got into a fight because of his support for his club, but In this case he was killed because he was celebrating. It's hurtful that in the world of pain, someone else created a joyful avenue for himself and his life is cut short because he was happy and celebrating.
Yeah, I don’t think the question of whether it’s worth it to die for a football club is appropriate. The fan did not put himself in a situation that requires him to give up his life for his team. That is not what happened. He was killed for celebrating, he wasn’t killed defending his favorite team or something. It wasn’t like that so it is incredibly unfair and unjust to let the fan’s life end like that. It has nothing to do with the club, the fan was just at an unfortunate place and time surrounded by the wrong people.
Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
The security have a responsibility to ensure that there is no disturbance or murder and they are tasked with their job. If you ask who is to blame then why is that because the incident has already taken place. Crimes must still be punished based on their guilt and it cannot be justified whether it occurs in a gambling area or not. I have even seen crimes on football grounds in our country and it was triggered by supporters of both sides so the security forces were also involved in the situation and now the process has entered the realm of law. The mistake of murder cannot be justified and they must still be punished even if it occurs on a football field and I never condone crimes.Jump to: