This ought to has reminded me back then when we don't have a TV at home and my dad would always stayed updated on the football news on the radio, so when the commentators says dissatisfying things against his club, he begins to momour and abusing the referee eat him up I'd get caught. Just so aggressive.
And at the end of the game his team looses the match, he angrily throws the radio aside and in subsequent repeated times, the radio got damage and he regretted his actions of being too aggressive over a common and a social activity games meant to be tolerated when your teams looses.
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Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
The security have a responsibility to ensure that there is no disturbance or murder and they are tasked with their job. If you ask who is to blame then why is that because the incident has already taken place. Crimes must still be punished based on their guilt and it cannot be justified whether it occurs in a gambling area or not. I have even seen crimes on football grounds in our country and it was triggered by supporters of both sides so the security forces were also involved in the situation and now the process has entered the realm of law. The mistake of murder cannot be justified and they must still be punished even if it occurs on a football field and I never condone crimes. 
Both the manager and the Guard is at faults because he was the one that authorized the security guard, however the whole thing is still not clear to me and the action of the manager was totally off because I wonder what he was expecting when he kept an entertainment TV were customers will be watching matches and having fun while they are eating because certainly people will always raise there voice when they see that there club is wining, however was there no other way to handle such situation other than shutting down the power supply?, I believe there are more mystery to it, perhaps when police caught him more reasons will come out, however what he should have done is to calmly approach the person and beg him to reduce his voice and before you no everything will be as normal as it is before it happen.
I agree with you, of course it is natural for us to raise our voices when we get our favorite team to win, after all everyone will do the same thing when their favorite team wins the match and as long as it is not excessive I think it is a natural thing to do. With the way he did it was to turn off the electricity I think it would not be enough to calm the situation, there is still a possibility of chaos happening.You are right in saying that approaching him and telling him to lower his voice is one way that can actually be done, maybe the manager is in a state of chaos so he cannot control himself and makes decisions spontaneously.
Have you ever seen a fan watching football at home, even drinking beer or not, and after someone has offended his favorite team in any way, he kills himself? I'm sure there hasn't been a single case. Here, the crowd effect, which provoked riots, and as a result, there was an accident in someone was killed. For me, these are two different things. To die for your favorite team, or to die as a result of a random bullet that could fly from where the riots are happening. But yes, I often see a drunken crowd of fans of one or another team who are ready to literally "tear apart" anyone against them. What can I say? People are drunk, caught up in the crowd effect, and everything that can happen to them in this state is only their choice. I don't feel sorry for them. I feel sorry for those who accidentally become witnesses of these crazy fights.
Much times, I have seen some folks around the stationary where news papers are sold, being there, you all see lot of people arguing like they are feeding their pockets at the course or protecting the interests of their clubs.Funny enough some of them ends up creating everlasting hatreds among each other while some are able to let go sentiments just after then.
These are practically attitudes of loosing ones self conduct and its outcome could lead to provocations to be regretted about.
If only those who had been victims in one way or the other could have a chance to rewind the hand of time, I think they will definitely correct their mistakes and notes that the game of football is not worth dieing for and not worth creating enemity amongst one another.
It's even more concerning that the round leather game was invented for entertainment purposes...
Anything that's laced heavily with money is taken as a serious business. If it's topped with gambling, it transcends "serious" to "do or die". That's what has happened to the round leather game or sports by extension.Quote
but some set of humans won't just look away if they eventually got stired up by their close friends, opposition club fan.
Honestly, people of low tolerance level should just steer clear of any activity that has to do with declaring a winner. It's disheartening for me when I see such emotions stirred up to the point when it's not controlled and someone is assaulted. I see that a lot with kids and how some of them cry when they lose on things but to see that in adults is sickening. I don't care whatever label anyone gives it. If I see such tears when someone wins, I know it's tears of joy. But when they lose and cry, what should that be called them? It's sickening. Sorry, I digressed there.Quote
WHAT are your opinion? Is it worth dying for a football club?
It doesn't make sense to die for a football club or any sports at that when one isn't directly on its payroll. I see a lot of people worry themselves sick when they most probably will not even get to see/meet with those stars they fight and die for or on whose behave they've quarrels.Quote
Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
The manager, of course. 
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What it seems weird to me it is how the whole situation devolved so quickly, as if the guards did not have the suitable training to calm down crowds before using lethal force against anyone. They were supposed only to take out their Guns to spread the people causing trouble and never directly to shoot at them.
That is one of the reasons I dont like to attend events in which it is very likely to find people bearing arms, I don't know how people in countries like the United States deal with the combination of sports and guns, And I am not even adding alcohol and drugs to the whole equation...
It would have been more proper to give taser guns to those security guards, instead of actual fire weapons, it would have prevented this tragedy from happening.
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Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
The story is unfortunate and one of the reasons why guns should not be given to anyhow people. If at all you want to fire shots to disperse the crowd, there are ways of doing that, you don't do it by pointing guns at people or fire hit anyhow. I've read and watched videos of such unfortunate incidents, they are unprofessional.Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
As for whom to blame, it's the guards, the manager has no blame at all, he didn't carry the guns and neither did he say they should shoot at people. He has the responsibility to put that place in order and perhaps the Arsenal fans may not be the only guest present, so disturbing others is also unjust.
WHAT are your opinion? Is it worth dying for a football club?
Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
The idea that a football club is worth dying for is highly subjective... for many fans, love and loyalty to their team runs deep and can provide a sense of community and belonging, but nothing justifies loss of life or acts of violence because football should be a source of joy and unity, not tragedy.
In relation to the manager’s actions, it is difficult to judge his decision without a full understanding of the situation. Turning off the power may have been an attempt to calm the crowd, but it may have been wiser for the manager to have first tried to talk to the people or even involve the appropriate authorities, such as the police, to deal with the crowd in a safe and professional manner.
As for the question of blame, both the manager and the security guard played a key role in this tragic outcome and in my opinion are certainly to blame. However, only the police investigation will determine legal responsibility and an honest assessment of the consequences.
Regardless, this incident serves as a reminder of the need for adequate safety measures and effective crowd management during sporting events to ensure the safety of both those cheering and those just wanting to relax.
It doesn't sound like a very clear situation and all sorts of things may have taken place that led up to the shooting. However I doubt any security guard would pull their gun unless they felt very threatened, let's just hope that the place has some effective CCTV footage which can back up the decision.
I kinda like felt the same energy from the first time I read the story. It may have had some fragments cut off for some reasons I don't know, but I'm sure the story is true. Cause why would a guard open fire without any just course? The only information there is that an uproar began from the crowd ....then boommm, the light went off!The guard is the one that shot and not the manager so the guard is to be blamed, because his Boss didn't tell him to shoot but to only to calm down the noise.
The manager isn't obviously a military personnel whatsoever thus, doesn't have an authority to order him to shoot... Guards like that don't take commands from civilians and this is unlikely to be the case. Nonetheless, THEY'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. If I had my way, I'd try to gather more informations as to why the guard had to open fire -- who knows if he was attacked? Or if the infuriated crowd started picking up things that don't belong to them? We don't know all of this and we can't conclude
Well, from what I can tell so far, we still don't really know everything about what went down with that shooting. The details are kinda fuzzy. Maybe the security guy felt like he was in danger or something? Or maybe he just wanted to scare people by shooting his gun in the air?
I'm definitely gonna try to follow up this story to know what literally happened. I've never seen a gun being given to a dumbass guard who doesn't know how to control it before - never! 
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Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
The guard is the one that shot and not the manager so the guard is to be blamed, because his Boss didn't tell him to shoot but to only to calm down the noise. It's the duty of the security to calm a noisy place if directed by his Boss but not to do it in a harmful way. The manager didn't do anything wrong, he might not know that it was the excitement from the match that led to such noise. Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
Well, from what I can tell so far, we still don't really know everything about what went down with that shooting. The details are kinda fuzzy. Maybe the security guy felt like he was in danger or something? Or maybe he just wanted to scare people by shooting his gun in the air? I don't know. Either way, someone ended up dead which is obviously awful but we really shouldn't jump to any big conclusions yet though. We gotta wait to hear the full story first once the full investigation is completed.
A fan of the English Premier League club, Arsenal, John Ssenyonga, was fatally shot on Wednesday night while celebrating his team’s 2-0 victory over Manchester United.
According to the BBC, the noise from the crowd infuriated the manager of the building who asked the guard to intervene while he switched off power at the restaurant.
The move reportedly annoyed the fans who decided to make more noise at the restaurant, causing the security guard to open fire. In that frenzy, 30-year-old Ssenyonga was hit while another was injured.
The case has been taken over by the department of Police and the two culprits, the guard and the manager as reportedly on the run.
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Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
Both the manager and the Guard is at faults because he was the one that authorized the security guard, however the whole thing is still not clear to me and the action of the manager was totally off because I wonder what he was expecting when he kept an entertainment TV were customers will be watching matches and having fun while they are eating because certainly people will always raise there voice when they see that there club is wining, however was there no other way to handle such situation other than shutting down the power supply?, I believe there are more mystery to it, perhaps when police caught him more reasons will come out, however what he should have done is to calmly approach the person and beg him to reduce his voice and before you no everything will be as normal as it is before it happen. According to the BBC, the noise from the crowd infuriated the manager of the building who asked the guard to intervene while he switched off power at the restaurant.
The move reportedly annoyed the fans who decided to make more noise at the restaurant, causing the security guard to open fire. In that frenzy, 30-year-old Ssenyonga was hit while another was injured.
The case has been taken over by the department of Police and the two culprits, the guard and the manager as reportedly on the run.
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Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
Is there anything else in your mind that made you ask if jail is a fair price?
Can't fight eye for an eye this time or else you could also go to jail. The fan also is at fault but killing is a criminal offense. Both of them are not thinking of consequences so it ends tragically.
The celebration was cut short because the manager decided to switch off the power, of course, the other party will be annoyed by what they did.
A fan of the English Premier League club, Arsenal, John Ssenyonga, was fatally shot on Wednesday night while celebrating his team’s 2-0 victory over Manchester United.
According to the BBC, the noise from the crowd infuriated the manager of the building who asked the guard to intervene while he switched off power at the restaurant.
The move reportedly annoyed the fans who decided to make more noise at the restaurant, causing the security guard to open fire. In that frenzy, 30-year-old Ssenyonga was hit while another was injured.
The case has been taken over by the department of Police and the two culprits, the guard and the manager as reportedly on the run.
I wonder what kind of training the security guard had because what kind of response is that!? who the hell open fires at people just because they made more noise at the restaurant after the manager switched off the power. the guy dies and the other dude got injured for no reason because a guard is incompetent at his job. also, why is the manager on the run? According to the BBC, the noise from the crowd infuriated the manager of the building who asked the guard to intervene while he switched off power at the restaurant.
The move reportedly annoyed the fans who decided to make more noise at the restaurant, causing the security guard to open fire. In that frenzy, 30-year-old Ssenyonga was hit while another was injured.
The case has been taken over by the department of Police and the two culprits, the guard and the manager as reportedly on the run.
I hope the security guard gets caught and arrested.
Overall, this is a very unpleasant situation. It was definitely not worth opening fire and this is an abuse of all authority and one's job descriptions, and one must bear the most serious responsibility for this before the law and one's loved ones. It would have been enough to call the police if the manager and security understood that the degree was rising. In my youth, I often saw this in bars, but it never came to shooting.
British people have a bad reputation when drunk.
Do you know any person, regardless of country, who is drunk and calm? There is no case where a drunk person does not cause or get involved in an incident of violence at some point. The drink is to blame, not the nationality.
IMO if we treat stupid with an appropriate response, maybe the stupid will start to disappear.
Totally agreed. However, ALL of the world's governments (besides the only 15 that don't have armed forces) have different opinions in terms of education vs weapons. They prefer to keep their people uneducated and spend a ton of money on weapons. And you know, you can't fight stupidity with guns...
What would an appropriate response be? Well you kill someone in a fit of rage, maybe they chain you to a public town square and clip off a toe a day until you bleed out. If you live past your 10 toes, start taking fingers, then legs, then balls, or whatever order you want to start.
Let people see what ignorance gets ya and put the fear into them that they don't want it happening to them. Maybe they'll get some help for their anger issues before it's too late.
Let people see what ignorance gets ya and put the fear into them that they don't want it happening to them. Maybe they'll get some help for their anger issues before it's too late.
That's, should we go to the era of Hammurabi or start impaling like Vlad Tepes? IMO if you want a better society, you don't need to use violence as an instrument for justice. Of course, this is another and much bigger conversation...
In the specific case you mention, death comes from poor human management and nothing else. The manager and the guard (why would he have a gun?) with their actions led a person to death and perhaps they could lead others down the same path. I'm quite sure that their punishment will not be what many would expect or want. However, I also believe that both of those responsible have already regretted their decisions. But now it's too late for all of them.
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Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
Both are guilty but of different crimes, we have known for a long time that people act differently when they are in a crowd than want they are on their own, basically they are willing to take more risks as they feel protected when being on a large group of people, so it is not difficult to imagine the fans being very rowdy after a soccer match and drinking a lot of alcohol, but the way the manager deal with it was wrong, and then this precipitated an even larger mistake with the guard firing at the crowd. Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
If you know that your city or state is full of bad people who would kill for any reason it is better you watch your sport match at home with your family, this news is one of the thousands that's happening around the world, I can't even count how many stabbing and killing have happened here in my country because of sports fans hating on others and they started fighting.
This story looked like a planned one by the manager, I wonder why people do evil things and run for their lives, like what are they to expect? To be pardon? They knew the consequences yet they choose to go the evil path, I hope the law shows no mercy for these evil people.
I try to avoid crowdy places with fans you never know if a fight will break out, it could be bloody than imagine, stay in your home and enjoy your shows and games.
This story looked like a planned one by the manager, I wonder why people do evil things and run for their lives, like what are they to expect? To be pardon? They knew the consequences yet they choose to go the evil path, I hope the law shows no mercy for these evil people.
I try to avoid crowdy places with fans you never know if a fight will break out, it could be bloody than imagine, stay in your home and enjoy your shows and games.
The manager should have called the police to calm down the crowd, since they weren't respecting the house's rules. The guard could have played a defensive role, but without shooting anyone or anywhere... That was a dumb move from him, as he didn't measure the potential consequences and just desired to show off his strength to the crowd in a desperate attempt to make everyone obey him. It was a tragedy what happened, and it's due to situations like this people should be more careful and think twice before acting.
Emotional intelligence is a must from individuals working on security industry of the market. This guy clearly showed he doesn't have what it takes to be a guard. At same time, the crowd should have just accepted the command of the manager and stopped the noise. If it was an issue for the manager that they celebrated the victory of their team there, the celebration should have been moved to a more friendly and warm place.
It would have avoided the whole tragedy that way.
Emotional intelligence is a must from individuals working on security industry of the market. This guy clearly showed he doesn't have what it takes to be a guard. At same time, the crowd should have just accepted the command of the manager and stopped the noise. If it was an issue for the manager that they celebrated the victory of their team there, the celebration should have been moved to a more friendly and warm place.
It would have avoided the whole tragedy that way.
they eventually got stired up by their close friends, opposition club fan. [/s]
WHAT are your opinion? Isit worth dying for a football club?
Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
WHAT are your opinion? Is
Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?
I think dead, for one team is unreasonable, too futile, but an incident like this is actually beyond our control, and it is very unfortunate why the manager did this, because instead of solving the problem, it actually added to the problem, the chaos became even worse
especially there was a shooting and it took victims
in this case the party that must be responsible is the manager and security, why was there a shooting in a building that was crowded with visitors
hopefully this case will be investigated thoroughly so that similar incidents do not always occur just because of the problem of winning or losing one team, lives are sacrificed
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