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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on December 06, 2024, 08:30:51 PM

Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?

No he those wouldn't matter who is to blame or not. What we know is that that business is going to be closed down and the person who pulled the trigger is going to face the law. I also don't want to think that this is the first time such tumultuous crows as a result of an ongoing match is happening.

One person's decision has already caused a ripple effect that will be remembered for a long time to come. The manager, the guard and the people who gathered to watch the match. The last group will have a phobia for those type of gathering henceforth.

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At first I thought that the supporter of opposition team would have killed the person but as I continued reading that story was completely different.
It's the first time I am seeing that a customer at a restaurant got killed just because he was celebrating his favourite team's victory.
Obviously the manager is responsible for all of this and that he couldn't handle the situation well.
If he would have handled the situation calmly then the person would have been alive today.

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As far as I know, radical football fans are a special subculture. Fights with representatives of other football teams are normal for them.

Football fans travel in large groups to cities where football matches with their favorite teams are taking place and have bloody fights. I do not approve of such actions. On the other hand, these are usually young people, and young people are often quite aggressive.

I was told the following story: in one city, football fans were so annoying everyone with their fights in stadiums that their leaders were called to the police. The police promised not to touch them if they started holding their fights (brawls) not in the city, but in the neighboring forests. The fans and the police made a verbal agreement between themselves, and since then clashes between football fans have taken place without spectators. The average person does not know about them.

As for the shot football fan, of course, I feel sorry for him.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on December 07, 2024, 02:38:31 AM

Have you ever seen a fan watching football at home, even drinking beer or not, and after someone has offended his favorite team in any way, he kills himself? I'm sure there hasn't been a single case. Here, the crowd effect, which provoked riots, and as a result, there was an accident in someone was killed. For me, these are two different things.

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Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on December 07, 2024, 07:49:54 AM

The manager to that bar is totally in trouble, because everything is already showing that he cold be the one who ordered for the shooting, looking at the way of the scene, he first instructs the guards, switched off the light and then the next we had was a gun shot.

That he COULD?? are you serious right now? The link clearly states the obvious... He knew exactly what he was up to, which is why he put out the light.. Again, he why is he on the run? "They both didn't plan that it'll turn out that way, but it did and they're shivering in their burrows, like the northern pocket Gopher, in fear of being hunted for murdering the lad in cold blood"

Quote from: Solosanz on December 07, 2024, 09:18:31 AM

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Good decision. We've got only one life to live, what's the essence of risking it? The authorities may avenge his death, but won't bring him back to life, sadly.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on December 06, 2024, 08:30:51 PM

A fan of the English Premier League club, Arsenal, John Ssenyonga, was fatally shot on Wednesday night while celebrating his team’s 2-0 victory over Manchester United.
According to the BBC, the noise from the crowd infuriated the manager of the building who asked the guard to intervene while he switched off power at the restaurant.
The move reportedly annoyed the fans who decided to make more noise at the restaurant, causing the security guard to open fire. In that frenzy, 30-year-old Ssenyonga was hit while another was injured.
The case has been taken over by the department of Police and the two culprits, the guard and the manager as reportedly on the run.
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I saw a similar topic a couple of months ago, still from the same Location. Infact, I almost gave up until I read the whole story in details... Is Uganda a place where such level of rascality happens almost all the time?..
It's even more concerning that the round leather game was invented for entertainment purposes, ~~but some set of humans won't just look away if they eventually got stired up by their close friends, opposition club fan.~~
WHAT are your opinion? Is ~~it worth dying for a football club?~~

Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?

It doesn't sound like a very clear situation and all sorts of things may have taken place that led up to the shooting. However I doubt any security guard would pull their gun unless they felt very threatened, let's just hope that the place has some effective CCTV footage which can back up the decision. The manager sounds like he was in a tough place and sometimes sports fans can get very rowdy, if combined with alcohol and if the match does not go their way, it can be a very messy combination. It would make sense to call the police in this situation and maybe they were on the way. It does not look good when the manager and guard go into hiding, but in some places a lynch mob can form and vigilante justice takes over - so it may seem natural to run.

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This is why I choose to not be a die hard fan and I sometime can be a fan of my opposing team if there's something I want to get or achieve.

There are many people who can accept our choice, like president election, if you support the number #1 president, while your dad support number #2 president and your close friend support number #3 president. Your relationship with your dad and close friend might end since they choose different than you.

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I also saw that same topic a month ago or maybe more and I did reply to it saying that it should not happen on a football field. But, in today's era, things are getting crazy and the fan base of football teams have been growing out of control. What can we do about it? There's actually none especially if you are in a third world country just trying to rely on the betting odds even if it causes heavy traffic in the process.
I really though that it's easy to take out that bad emotional sacrifice but as you grow old, it keep on getting back.

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It good to do things (support club) with moderation being an Arsenal fan does mean constituting a nuisance in the street while celebrating a win against Man Utd, though the manager and the Guard nvolved in the fatal shooting should be arrested and should be prosecuted there are other ways of punishing soccer fans who are extremities instead of shooting why not report to the appropriate security agent, this is also a reminder to soccer fans who always cultivate the habit of wild celebration without moderation I am also an Arsenal and always celebrate y every win with calmness without causing any nuisance or disturbance in the street

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on December 07, 2024, 01:39:11 AM

No, your favorite sports team is not worth dying for. Life is beautiful and amazing, and there are many wonderful things in it besides your favorite and unloved teams and besides sports in general. Sports are cool, but they are a stupid reason to die. In fact, I have to say that being a sports fan is quite dangerous. But it is one thing to be a quiet football fan who enjoys watching a football match at home, and another to assert yourself in friends with other fans or to get into a conflict with a representative of the law. Although, in all likelihood, the deceased football fan was not to blame for the conflict.

The guy in question was doing a normal thing that people do everyday at the viewing center which is celebrate, argue and castigate losing team's fans. It's fine a while lot in my country and it's associated with variations of noise. It's a public setting and the manager shouldn't have opened such a viewing center if he doesn't need noise.

In my country, the fans of the winning team even sing hurtful songs for the opposing team and brag about their team when it favors them, when they're on the receiving end, they get their own share of mockery. It's fun and engaging and friendly too for mature minds.

Life is worth more than just being violent and brutal because of the outcome of football matches. I hope the deceased family never let's the manager and security guard go free.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on December 06, 2024, 08:30:51 PM

WHAT are your opinion? Is it worth dying for a football club?

Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?

Nobody will intentionally die because he wants to support his football club. I am sure that those fans and the restaurant owner would have avoided this problem if they had premeditated that it would lead to injury or death. But sometimes situations like this go out of hand and I guess nobody will plan to die or get injured just because he is celebrating his club's victory.

The manager and the guard handled the situation very poorly. If you know that these fans were causing a nuisance in his business premises, they should have called the police instead of taking the laws into their own hands.

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To be honest, I'm not shocked when I read this kind of news. That's because here in my country I've seen many cases of physical aggression during football matches and they're always fights involving both fans of the teams and when the police intervene, someone dies or is seriously injured. Because of this, I don't go to watch football matches in stadiums in my country. Even in private places like places where they sell alcohol and have giant TVs so people can watch football matches comfortably here in my country, there have been cases of fights. When people are hurt because their teams lost, they tend to be violent towards other people who provoke them, and when people are happy because their teams won, they can get too happy and create trouble.

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Quote from: DubemIfedigbo001 on December 06, 2024, 11:32:54 PM

when I saw this topic I thought he actual killed himself or got into a fight because of his support for his club, but I'm this case he was killed because he was celebrating. It's hurtful that in the world of pain, someone else created a joyful avenue for himself and his life is cut short because he was happy and celebrating.

Yeah, even the subject-line is somehow misleading, we cannot reject the perspective that a fan died for a football club. Dying is completely from being killed. But in my opinion, even suicide or murder or anything related to lives must be total wrong and that to for the reason of a football team or any sport must be too wrong; no justification could be tolerated.

Life is ultimately superior than anything. No exceptions.

Whether it is football or any other sport or suicide or murder nothing could be justified when we consider against a human life. All human are equal which means a football team cannot claim a life of its fan. So, this topic about worthiness not at all making any sense as per the value system I do follow.

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It was avoidable incident by the both parties. Those fans would left the scene when they have discovered that the manager was not in support of their chanting and switch off the light to chase them but their were doing strong head or daring the manager that they can't do anything. And in return the manager would have instructed the guards not to shoot the crowd but probably to the air to scare them. Even though the crowd was guilty of the noise and now that someone is dead, the manager has to face the law.

And I don't really like when fans are doing those arguments after a football match. And the funny part of it all is that they don't even received money from the club they are supporting. And are vain chanting.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on December 06, 2024, 08:30:51 PM

Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?

This is really a bad case scenario like what was the manager thinking, they were fans though they could have stayed a bit low, they just enjoyed the game and was celebrating their victory.. again, why is a security personnel having life ammunitions? What I know them with mostly is a teaser or an pepper spray. Having a live ammunition wasn't necessary. Also, the security men could have been selected properly. There are other ways to resolve simple issues not with guns.
I'm highly disappointed of the manager who caused the whole situation. He could have easily done it himself instead of creating a scene. Now I guess that restaurant will also suffer equal faith and is ruined.

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British people have a bad reputation when drunk. There have been several cases of mob violence and fights where Britons are frequent visitors. But I don't just mean any Britons, I mean the party hooligan style Britons.

Amsterdam has taken very strict measures to stop attracting this kind of tourism. And in my country Greece municipalities have started blocking permits for night clubs outside of certain areas. They want towns and villages to be hooligan free! After very intensive complaints only certain areas will be allowed to hold clubs. Clubs are now treated like brothels! And among these clubs also are stores and cafeterias that will show premiere league matches. It's absolutely crazy that these people are put together because football used to be a class sport. They've burned that reputation down to rubble.

And the store owner in the above case handled it in the worst way possible. Don't be confrontational with these people. Help them to what they need and let them go. There's no other solution.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on December 06, 2024, 08:30:51 PM

A fan of the English Premier League club, Arsenal, John Ssenyonga, was fatally shot on Wednesday night while celebrating his team’s 2-0 victory over Manchester United.
According to the BBC, the noise from the crowd infuriated the manager of the building who asked the guard to intervene while he switched off power at the restaurant.
The move reportedly annoyed the fans who decided to make more noise at the restaurant, causing the security guard to open fire. In that frenzy, 30-year-old Ssenyonga was hit while another was injured.
The case has been taken over by the department of Police and the two culprits, the guard and the manager as reportedly on the run.
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I saw a similar topic a couple of months ago, still from the same Location. Infact, I almost gave up until I read the whole story in details... Is Uganda a place where such level of rascality happens almost all the time?..
It's even more concerning that the round leather game was invented for entertainment purposes, ~~but some set of humans won't just look away if they eventually got stired up by their close friends, opposition club fan.~~
WHAT are your opinion? Is ~~it worth dying for a football club?~~

Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?

Obviously it was only the manager whose at fault at this, yet the bodyguard wont really be able to make that open fure it iwa wasnt because of that managers request or orders on which we know that once you are at duty then you will definitely be following on what your boss is telling you. Somehow, the guard wont really be having that exemption of any charges that would be filed against him yet the action made is really that become out of hand and really did harm out civilians. It is really that a very wrong decision made out by the manager. Did he lost something big and get irritated on what the crowd or people at the restaurant been celebrating into?

Its understandable that there would really be those conditions or times that you do get pissed but you should be having that good control of your emotions. Why? It will really be costing up your business and also your reputation at the time that you do get imprisoned because of such act. If he had just let those things passed and simply move on or just let those people do celebrate then there would really be no problem. We are just humans on which there's really that limit to our patience but when dealing up with business in correlation with handling out people or different ones then you do need to adjust.

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As a fan of a club, it's fun to join the crowd to celebrate your team's win over the other club, but it should have a limit than creating a nuisance at the very end.

A hotel is a place of relaxation. Trying to create noisy scenarios in the hotel premises is what the hotel management and its security guards wouldn't take up with because there are people the noise from the crowd is disturbing in the hotel.

However, the hotel manager and security guard of the hotel take the laws into their hands. They wouldn't have dared to be shooting guns in the air to scare the crowd away because that could trigger them more to make the whole place unconducive for everyone.

This is a case of, no matter how you are being provoked, learning to control your temperament to avoid acting to what you would later regret. Because whenever an ugly act has been taken, it can't be undone back

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on December 06, 2024, 08:30:51 PM

A fan of the English Premier League club, Arsenal, John Ssenyonga, was fatally shot on Wednesday night while celebrating his team’s 2-0 victory over Manchester United.
According to the BBC, the noise from the crowd infuriated the manager of the building who asked the guard to intervene while he switched off power at the restaurant.
The move reportedly annoyed the fans who decided to make more noise at the restaurant, causing the security guard to open fire. In that frenzy, 30-year-old Ssenyonga was hit while another was injured.
The case has been taken over by the department of Police and the two culprits, the guard and the manager as reportedly on the run.
CLICK ME!!!

I saw a similar topic a couple of months ago, still from the same Location. Infact, I almost gave up until I read the whole story in details... Is Uganda a place where such level of rascality happens almost all the time?..
It's even more concerning that the round leather game was invented for entertainment purposes, ~~but some set of humans won't just look away if they eventually got stired up by their close friends, opposition club fan.~~
WHAT are your opinion? Is ~~it worth dying for a football club?~~

Edit: Was the manager's decision to way off the crowd, in a bid to quench the tumult the best? If you were in his shoes, what would you do? Who's supposed to be blamed for this -- the MANAGER or the GUARD?

The manager to that bar is totally in trouble, because everything is already showing that he cold be the one who ordered for the shooting, looking at the way of the scene, he first instructs the guards, switched off the light and then the next we had was a gun shot.

Also, if we may look at the situation closely, it may be that the target was the man shot alone and not because of the crowd chanting, there might have been a misunderstanding before that time, also, it may be that another person took advantage of the location and exact time to play his revenge on the targeted victim, some people could go extra miles to the point of death in making sure they retaliate on anything.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on December 06, 2024, 08:30:51 PM

If there is something to be noticed here, and in other cases like this one is how football and other sports which have millions or even billions of followers, is how there is much passion and many feelings involved with the development of the leagues and each individual match. There are people who defend their team and the symbols of their team as if they were defending their own wife or husband, so each crime they commit against others who dared to offend their club is treated to some level as a passional crime or offense.
To be it is ridiculous to die or to inflict damage to other people because there was some offense done against a team, in the end of the day the team and the manager of the team won't even know who you are or how much of a fanatic you are, they only want to continue to be relevant and seek for recognition and cups, fans are supposed the be in the background to fill stadiums and gather money for the managers, and that is all.

One needs to know and be aware which is the role one as fan holds when comes to popular sports like football.

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Fans needs to be very careful the way they celebrate clubs victory because other people who are not fan of the club can have a different meaning of it because of the emotions they have when their own club is not lucky to win. It is so unfortunate that people are unable to control their emotions when it comes sport games. Football is a game of luck, any team can be in the lucky side and a team that is winning to day can be defeated tomorrow because their is no permanent result in Football but people still allow emotions to control them to do things that are funny which ought not to be so.

Football is peaceful and a game of fun but people don't understand this, that is why sport men should be careful how they celebrate their club in public because it can be of problems to someone who is not happy about his/her club losing.

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