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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

Most online casinos are said to be regulated, they claimed to have a license to operate, but experts claimed that it's stupid if there isn't any evidence of them being regulated.

My question to all of you is ...

Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified? How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.

Also, in any way, does it bother you if you can't be able to figure it out that the casino is regulated or not?

Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

To be honest, I've never really had any problems with online casinos not proofing that they are regulated, in fact, are they even supposed to prove that? What different does or will it make?
The thing is, even the casinos providing proof that they are regulated can still be a lie, why? Because any type of document can still be forged, and besides, what about the crypto currency exchanges?, they all claim to be regulated but how many of them have proven that?

I personally don't really give or pay attention to such things because even a scam casino can come up and claim to be regulated, and provide fake and forged document to make potential victims believe their claim, and at the end of the day, the casino will still scam their victims without looking back.
What i believe is the real deal for us here is, it's important for us to always choose to gamble on casinos that have been running for a very long time and very successful too, and have gained a very good reputation and trustworthiness, this way, one doesnt have to worry about the casino proofing their legitimacy and so on.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

Most online casinos are said to be regulated, they claimed to have a license to operate, but experts claimed that it's stupid if there isn't any evidence of them being regulated.

My question to all of you is ...

Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified? How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.

Also, in any way, does it bother you if you can't be able to figure it out that the casino is regulated or not?

Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

If there should be any crypto online gambling casino and they proof to us they have all license required and everything happened to be fake, then there are means in which we may go in identifying and confirming for their registration genuity, if they are truly right or giving a fake tender on their license approval, i see no reason a well-established platform will go in for presenting fake documents, moreover, not all gamblers were also interested on making research and findings whether they are real or fake, all we care is about what they offers and how reliable they could be.

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Quote from: masulum on April 01, 2024, 09:46:02 AM

Licenses and regulations are created as a process to verify the legitimacy of a company. For companies that tend to manage money rather than goods, a license is very necessary to ensure that money from users/customers is safe and to ensure company able to pay if users withdraw money and to guarantee company does not commit fraud. In gambling, a license is needed to prevent scams and also to minimize fraud from providers. Licensing cannot prevent it 100% from scam, but at least users will be safer using licensed services.

Thats right, it is better to play at a casino with license, even though it doesnt mean that a legal casino won't commit scams.
With a license, the casino owner is not anonymous and unlike illegal casinos where they can just disappear to avoid legal action.

Another example,
When gamblers have problems with an online casino, they will usually report it to Casinoguru or Askgambler.
Casinoguru and Askgambler usually refuse to intervene if the issue is related with illegal/unlicensed casino.

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It is true that it may be difficult for us to see evidence that the casino platform is truly regulated, but even so, that is not a reason for us to suspect whether the casino platform is truly regulated or not. As long as they include an image that references their license code and we can check it on the regulatory website, then I think it's pretty trustworthy. And it can also be strengthened by people's reviews and other users' experiences when using the platform - and that is more than enough for me.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified? How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.

Most gamblers don't concern themselves with trying to verify the casino they play in before they start playing in a casino. If it is the most popular casino around them, they are usually influenced by the crowd to gamble there. Some gamblers gamble more in a casino from recommendation, than from personal research.

Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

The thing remains that we can never always fully trust any kind of proof that will be tendered, it can be manipulated, or the casino may even change in behavior after a while of acting good and getting all the customers.

Do not get relaxed gambling in a casino. follow up the news with them, so that you will be amongst the first people to notice if they start giving too many problems to too many customers.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified? How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.

As far as I know License and verification are two different things in online casinos.
• Licenses, which we can see in each casino that gets a permit will be published and the agreement can be seen on the casino's website, from where their license was issued.
• Verification, can be described as proof, documents or data from the relevant casino.

Meaning: every license that has been issued, of course the casino has been verified by the authority that issued the license, if it does not pass verification, in my opinion the casino cannot operate, that is as far as I know.

Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

Also, in any way, does it bother you if you can't be able to figure it out that the casino is regulated or not?

No, because we know the frequency of each casino that operates, whether it is regulated or not, that's another issue, maybe it's not our business to know that, the point is that the casino is fair and responsible, that's better.

Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

Not really, a license is not to prevent fraud, as I said above, it 'PERMITS' fraud to occur outside of the license, if the authority that issued the license gets complaints and a lot of evidence that the casino in question is cheating, Maybe the action taken is only terminating the license, not giving permission to operate, of course it is not related to fraud.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

Licenses and regulations are created as a process to verify the legitimacy of a company. For companies that tend to manage money rather than goods, a license is very necessary to ensure that money from users/customers is safe and to ensure company able to pay if users withdraw money and to guarantee company does not commit fraud. In gambling, a license is needed to prevent scams and also to minimize fraud from providers. Licensing cannot prevent it 100% from scam, but at least users will be safer using licensed services.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified?

Yes. But this seem to be not an issue anymore when you wholly trust the casino that you're gambling with.

Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.

I'm leaning on to their trust and worthiness based on the feed back of its own community. Just like stake, it's a known casino that has a huge base of its customer and it's not just based from the forum but globally, so that's more than enough to assess to trust them whether you want to verify their authenticity or their license or whatsoever basis you have in your mind.

Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

Also, in any way, does it bother you if you can't be able to figure it out that the casino is regulated or not?

Not really, as long as I've trusted them and there's a large number of its community that trusts them as well.

Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

I don't think so. Scam casinos can also get their own license and be good at the beginning. But once they've gained trust from their customers, that's how they can deceive people from being a reputable and trusted into a scammy casino that have planned it long time ago when they've already gained the trust of the community that they've built.

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Quote from: Docnaster on April 01, 2024, 07:52:51 AM

Quote from: Beparanf on April 01, 2024, 07:41:25 AM

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So as a gambler, my advice is that before you start to engage in any gambling activity with any of the casinos, the best thing to do us to fact check their authenticity by seeing other people's review about such casino and also their years of existence. Genuine casino companies will always protect their integrity so that customers will always trust them and be free to engage in their services. Lack of authentic proof of a casino company is and should always be be big factor in determining which casino company to gamble with

This is the right approach to guarantee safety in gambling. But to be specific, Bitcointalk forum is the best place to do a background check since casino ANN thread is transparent for criticism or good feedback. Most importantly, we have trust system here and rank which can guarantee the authenticity of user feedback unlike other review site like trustpilot which anyone can post a review and manipulate it depending on their intentions.

By simply looking at the casino Bitcointalk account, We can easily recognize how trusted their casino or not because we have an active DT members here that making our forum safe from scam.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

Most online casinos are said to be regulated, they claimed to have a license to operate, but experts claimed that it's stupid if there isn't any evidence of them being regulated.
My question to all of you is ...
Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified? How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.

Also, in any way, does it bother you if you can't be able to figure it out that the casino is regulated or not?
Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

I don't care about it at all. To me, it is more important to have instant withdrawals, no enforced KYC, fast customer support response... The license doesn't have any importance to me. The casinos get the license to protect themselves from the governments. Without the license the govs may cause lots of trouble to the owners. They pay for the license to get legal protection, it doesn't really serve any purpose.

I see lots of people getting scammed by the casinos and do you know what they all have in common? They all have a gambling license.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

Most online casinos are said to be regulated, they claimed to have a license to operate, but experts claimed that it's stupid if there isn't any evidence of them being regulated.

My question to all of you is ...

Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified? How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.

Also, in any way, does it bother you if you can't be able to figure it out that the casino is regulated or not?

Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

Usually today, when we gamble in a casino sites or houses, normally what others do is deposit and play only for their own entertainment, but if your intention is to find for long term gambling sites that you can trust with your money, you need you should really read the rules and regulations of a casino, there you can also see if they are really licensed or not, there are other casino sites that show their license to operate as a proof that they are legit to gain the trust of gamblers but there is no certainty because it is still possible for them to become a scam once their users volume up and their real intention is to scam the players.

True, I think it's a fact that most gamblers don't want to think too much about whether the casino they're playing at is licensed or not, because usually they just show up, deposit, play and see if they win or lose regardless of whether they're gambling with the intention and purpose of making money or just for fun. But in thought - think this is also a thing that should not be ignored, or the point is that there is nothing wrong with looking and making sure whether the casino you find is really licensed or not, because this is related to money especially if you are a gambler who comes with the intention of earning where the possibility of fraud can make you feel very upset and emotional.

I used to rarely look and confirm whether the casino I was playing at was licensed or not and I would enter a casino when it had a good enough reputation as a place to find entertainment with the amount of money I could afford to lose, but it seems I should think about this next, I should really look for a casino that is licensed to minimize the level of worry, but yes it is possible for a casino to show something that is not real, or that means they lie to gamblers that they are licensed.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

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I think that as long as no one is complaining about a specific casino,when I am winning there the withdraw is run almost instantly and they have only good reviews not only from this forum but from many other online sources I see no reason to be worried if the casino is regulated or not,of course most likely I believe that the casino is regulated.I don't think that showing a license will reduce the number of scams as the one who has the intention to scam will bypass all levels,buy the license,make the casino pay for sometime and when you least expect it,to go scam.I am not naming a specific one but haven't we just noticed something happening like this not long ago?

This is what it is really that important is on which you cant really be able to see some pending issues or complaints on a said casino on which this is already that enough for you to stick into a casino.
For sure most people would really be doing something like this on which they would really be watching out those possible issues on which they would really be checking it out if there's current existing or specially with having scam accusations. If there's none and there's some good feedbacks and good user experiences then it would really be that something would really be enough.
Even myself would really be having this kind of consideration when it comes to searching about on a new site to deposit on, always look for viable information on which it would be leading whether it would be positive or negative. It is really just that there are ones who are really that too lazy on doing such thing on which they are ending up on dealing up with scam sites or shady ones because
they are really just that too careless on dealing up with sites which they dont even know on what reputation that it has. Lucky for you if you do go into the right ones but if not
then it would really be a disaster.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

Most online casinos are said to be regulated, they claimed to have a license to operate, but experts claimed that it's stupid if there isn't any evidence of them being regulated.

My question to all of you is ...

Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified? How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.

Also, in any way, does it bother you if you can't be able to figure it out that the casino is regulated or not?

Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

Usually, casino verification is not difficult to find. You need to request this from support and they will be happy to tell you where you can find the information on the site, or they will provide a certificate.

But I think that often organizations that are engaged in casino verification and regulation are most likely: either organized by the heads of casinos, or sponsored by them.
Food campaigns award quality prizes to each other on exactly the same basis. In fact, they are on their own. And that's stupid. This means that only the state can influence this.

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Did you even trust a license from Curacao?

Most casinos have these licenses, I'm more trusted to some user review rather than the license it self. The reason:
1. Curacao only take the money license
2. Curacao not taken any action to casino, just selling license
3. Casino can register & buy license with unknown address
4. We already have casino turn out to be scam with license

So basically, license casino is not meaning to be safe as well. A good proof and review is always based user review, especially in a forum review not just a random review like Trust Pilot.

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Quote from: Beparanf on April 01, 2024, 07:41:25 AM

Quote from: Distinctin on April 01, 2024, 07:30:26 AM

Casinos are running a business based on reputation, if they have a good reputation, gamblers will choose them because gamblers would feel their money are safe and anytime they can withdraw their winnings without a problem. personally, I don't investigate mucn, as long as the casino is popular, and when checked they claim they have a license, I always make it a go to play.

I like this logic when talking about the casino reputation. Many people already forgetting that even a casino has a licensed, they can still turn into scam because they can always use their license to new casino by updating it to license provider.

On the other hand, Casino reputation that built based on trust for so many years is much reliable as basis on trusting a casino because it can’t be fake or achieved for a short period of time. That’s why casino with good reputation for a long time always protects their reputation because it’s very to build it for so many years. Additionally, they spend already a lot of money for marketing just to promote the brand.

True, I also think there is no guarantee that when a casino has a license that they will be completely safe, because sometimes some problems they may face will make the casino go bankrupt and it will probably become a fraudulent casino.

A good reputation is one way I see whether a casino is worth playing with or not. Because as you said, they build public trust not in one or two years, they build that trust over many years and it may even take a very long time. When they really mean it, it is impossible for them to just destroy the trust they have gained, although there is still a possibility for them to change over time.

Some casinos will even be willing to pay well-known influencers to promote them and gain trust. For me, when they have done that then they are serious, because if they turn into a scam, not only their name is at stake, but the big influencers who promote them will also be affected. We can see their seriousness in what they do.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

Most online casinos are said to be regulated, they claimed to have a license to operate, but experts claimed that it's stupid if there isn't any evidence of them being regulated.

My question to all of you is ...

Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified? How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.

Also, in any way, does it bother you if you can't be able to figure it out that the casino is regulated or not?

Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

I think that as long as no one is complaining about a specific casino,when I am winning there the withdraw is run almost instantly and they have only good reviews not only from this forum but from many other online sources I see no reason to be worried if the casino is regulated or not,of course most likely I believe that the casino is regulated.I don't think that showing a license will reduce the number of scams as the one who has the intention to scam will bypass all levels,buy the license,make the casino pay for sometime and when you least expect it,to go scam.I am not naming a specific one but haven't we just noticed something happening like this not long ago?

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 01, 2024, 03:24:09 AM

Most online casinos are said to be regulated, they claimed to have a license to operate, but experts claimed that it's stupid if there isn't any evidence of them being regulated.

My question to all of you is ...

Have you verified that the online casino you are using now is verified? How can you tell that its verified because there is no proof of verified shown to the public.

Also, in any way, does it bother you if you can't be able to figure it out that the casino is regulated or not?

Do you think that if all online casinos can tender some proof of being licensed all it reduce scams in online gambling?

This is where that research and reading would really be relevant specially into this forum on which we know that there are people who are really that good when it comes on verifying things or someone whose really that good when it comes on searching up some red flags. The beauty of this forum is that you could really be able to know whether its really that licensed or regulated or just simply fake, but for me in overall then it would really be just that enough if have seen on how big the community is because this would really be signifying that you have put up yourself into the right place. Although it wont be an assurance that it would be completely 100% safety
but at least you are really that somewhat sure that you are on a better place rather than on risking into those new ones which their reputation isnt really that still established.

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If a casino claims to have a license it will display it on its homepage a license has a way to verify serial numbers you can check the license issuer if the serial numbers are valid, if not then the casino automatically lose its reputation for lying and showing false certificate, there are a lot of ways to verify a license I don't know where you get that idea that there is none.

Licenses are not proof that casinos will not scam their players, it is never a parameter that they are legit and will give them an immediate reputation, reputation is built based on feedback not certificates, it's a wrong impression that you can build a reputation based on vouch from companies.

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Quote from: Beparanf on April 01, 2024, 07:41:25 AM

Quote from: Distinctin on April 01, 2024, 07:30:26 AM

Casinos are running a business based on reputation, if they have a good reputation, gamblers will choose them because gamblers would feel their money are safe and anytime they can withdraw their winnings without a problem. personally, I don't investigate mucn, as long as the casino is popular, and when checked they claim they have a license, I always make it a go to play.

I like this logic when talking about the casino reputation. Many people already forgetting that even a casino has a licensed, they can still turn into scam because they can always use their license to new casino by updating it to license provider.

On the other hand, Casino reputation that built based on trust for so many years is much reliable as basis on trusting a casino because it can’t be fake or achieved for a short period of time. That’s why casino with good reputation for a long time always protects their reputation because it’s very to build it for so many years. Additionally, they spend already a lot of money for marketing just to promote the brand.

Like you rightly said, despite the fact that some of the casino companies are fully registered, it doesn't stop them from scamming their unsuspecting customers and that's why I'm strongly against any casino company that doesn't have a strong proof of their authenticity. For a casino company to be trusted, they must have established unwavering trust and good customer service fir a long period of time. So as a gambler, my advice is that before you start to engage in any gambling activity with any of the casinos, the best thing to do us to fact check their authenticity by seeing other people's review about such casino and also their years of existence. Genuine casino companies will always protect their integrity so that customers will always trust them and be free to engage in their services. Lack of authentic proof of a casino company is and should always be be big factor in determining which casino company to gamble with

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I always prefer to be able to verify this information. Of course even if they are registered they can scam, get bankrupt and so on...
But I want verity this aspect of license since it is an aspect of transparency to clearly state certain information.
obviously I avoid playing on a site that actually doesn't really have a license (and they are claiming to...)

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