Is Michael Saylor a modern apostle like Peter and Paul?

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Quote from: tw0.625 on August 05, 2023, 05:32:57 AM

Quote from: airbin on August 01, 2023, 05:13:17 PM

If such a thing exists in your head, it's your problem, not bitcoin's, the apostles are all of us who own and believe bitcoin, leave individualism out, it's useless, even if Michael Saylor is an apostle for you, check this name: RogerVer.

Furthermore, if you were familiar with the history of money, you would know that any goods in human history that have ever aspired to be money (from cowrie shells, Rai stones, tulip bulbs to gold) have gone through 1 to 3 stages, let's call them:
1 "gaming"
2 "religious"
2 "foundation of the global financial system"

For instance, gold went through all three stages. For example, in South America, gold got stuck at stage 2 (Aztecs, Maya), while in medieval Europe, it was already at stage 3 (which ultimately led to the downfall of numerous ancient South American civilizations). The Aztecs couldn't genuinely grasp why their golden religious trinkets were so important and why they needed to kill hundreds of thousands of people for them. Bitcoin is currently at stage 1 and is entering stage 2. But it might never leave stage 2, or it might, for example, if there are 6 to 8 million rational players in the world who have entered the market with 2.625 Bitcoin or if a different Nash equilibrium is found where Bitcoin enters stage 3.

Making comparisons between Bitcoin and the history of money is fascinating. Cowrie shells were once considered primitive, but they served as stepping stones in the development of trade. When you get to gold, you can see its enormous value in power dynamics as well as trade.

You make reference to the Aztecs' obsession with gold in a religious setting. Isnt that tragic? How they were blind to the impending catastrophe brought about by the Europeans who had already monetized gold. What a case of missing the big picture!

Bitcoin? Man, thats crazy. Its definitely moving between the "gaming" and "religious" stages, as you correctly point out. If it penetrates the core of our financial system, only time will tell. However, your claim that there are 6 to 8 million intelligent gamers using 2.625 Bitcoin seems a little random, doesnt it? Why that particular quantity? History is a nasty mistress, however. She just cares about the results and not our predictions.

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Quote from: tw0.625 on August 05, 2023, 05:32:57 AM

Quote from: airbin on August 01, 2023, 05:13:17 PM

If such a thing exists in your head, it's your problem, not bitcoin's, the apostles are all of us who own and believe bitcoin, leave individualism out, it's useless, even if Michael Saylor is an apostle for you, check this name: RogerVer.

Furthermore, if you were familiar with the history of money, you would know that any goods in human history that have ever aspired to be money (from cowrie shells, Rai stones, tulip bulbs to gold) have gone through 1 to 3 stages, let's call them:
1 "gaming"
2 "religious"
2 "foundation of the global financial system"

For instance, gold went through all three stages. For example, in South America, gold got stuck at stage 2 (Aztecs, Maya), while in medieval Europe, it was already at stage 3 (which ultimately led to the downfall of numerous ancient South American civilizations). The Aztecs couldn't genuinely grasp why their golden religious trinkets were so important and why they needed to kill hundreds of thousands of people for them. Bitcoin is currently at stage 1 and is entering stage 2. But it might never leave stage 2, or it might, for example, if there are 6 to 8 million rational players in the world who have entered the market with 2.625 Bitcoin or if a different Nash equilibrium is found where Bitcoin enters stage 3.

What the hell are you talking about, what ethnic reference is that, I ask you again and don't come out with schizophrenic deviations, you know why I referenced Roger Ver, because they use your type of answers, they are deceiving.

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Both Peter and Paul were flawed followers of Jesus with their own self interests, so I think this is a pretty good analogy.

Let's assume Satoshi is Bitcoin Jesus.

Michael Saylor has his self interests and goals to spread Bitcoin adoption, regardless of whether his teachings align with Satoshi's. Similarly the Apostle Paul is the founder of Christianity, but his Christianity is noticeably different than Jesus's teachings. https://doctrine.org/jesus-vs-paul has a good summary of that.

Peter was mainly a follower of Jesus, but he was often skeptical of Jesus and denied Jesus 3 times right when Jesus needed him most. It wasn't until after Jesus died, that he became a stronger supporter. This is similar to how Saylor was somewhat anti-Bitcoin during its early years.

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Quote from: KalOlak on July 23, 2023, 03:24:09 PM

If Bitcoin were to replace the current global financial system and achieve widespread adoption as a decentralized and reliable store of value, some enthusiasts might see Michael Saylor as a visionary or a pivotal figure. Similar to how Peter and Paul played crucial roles in spreading the teachings of Christianity, Saylor's active promotion and strategic investment in Bitcoin could be viewed as instrumental in driving its adoption.

The analogy suggests that just as the apostles were significant in the establishment and spread of Christianity, Saylor's dedication to advocating for Bitcoin and integrating it into his business strategies could be perceived as foundational for a potential future financial paradigm.

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Peter and Paul both are apostle's according to the Bible,they are both involved and engaged in religion belief in the christianity. In which is very irrelevant in Bitcoin due to this was a type of investment which is very far from the topic argument that we are discussing it here now.

Bitcoin is Bitcoin a peer to peer currency just simple as that to understand were it doesn't need to go beyond in our belief. This is clearly a kind of investment not a religion or any cult what you are trying to emphasize here.

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Quote from: tw0.625 on August 01, 2023, 04:10:41 PM

In July MicroStrategy acquired an additional 467 BTC for $14.4 million and now holds 152,800 BTC. What is his goal?

I don't think that there's a grand design as to why they want to acquire bitcoin, their ulterior motive is not something that we will know until they take action on it. Let your imagination run-free when it comes to speculating about their goal, it's a limitless endeavor but if we're basing what Saylor has to say in an interview by Bloomberg, Saylor said.

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“We try to make sure that everything we do is always creative. We will acquire as much Bitcoin as we can, as long as market conditions allow us to do it in a creative way for our shareholders.”

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Quote from: airbin on August 01, 2023, 05:13:17 PM

If such a thing exists in your head, it's your problem, not bitcoin's, the apostles are all of us who own and believe bitcoin, leave individualism out, it's useless, even if Michael Saylor is an apostle for you, check this name: RogerVer.

Furthermore, if you were familiar with the history of money, you would know that any goods in human history that have ever aspired to be money (from cowrie shells, Rai stones, tulip bulbs to gold) have gone through 1 to 3 stages, let's call them:
1 "gaming"
2 "religious"
2 "foundation of the global financial system"

For instance, gold went through all three stages. For example, in South America, gold got stuck at stage 2 (Aztecs, Maya), while in medieval Europe, it was already at stage 3 (which ultimately led to the downfall of numerous ancient South American civilizations). The Aztecs couldn't genuinely grasp why their golden religious trinkets were so important and why they needed to kill hundreds of thousands of people for them. Bitcoin is currently at stage 1 and is entering stage 2. But it might never leave stage 2, or it might, for example, if there are 6 to 8 million rational players in the world who have entered the market with 2.625 Bitcoin or if a different Nash equilibrium is found where Bitcoin enters stage 3.

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If such a thing exists in your head, it's your problem, not bitcoin's, the apostles are all of us who own and believe bitcoin, leave individualism out, it's useless, even if Michael Saylor is an apostle for you, check this name: RogerVer.

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In July MicroStrategy acquired an additional 467 BTC for $14.4 million and now holds 152,800 BTC. What is his goal?

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Well, some people might agree or disagree with the idea that Michael Saylor can be considered as a modern apostle for the widespread adoption and eventual global take-over of Bitcoin but then maybe there is no doubt that he has contributed some weight for Bitcoin. However, I really doubt the idea that Bitcoin can be replacing our fiat-based financial system - for as long as we have established governments Bitcoin will remain as one of the solid alternative especially if one is investment-savvy and is looking to beat inflation into the future.

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money is a broad term of many things.. not all money is the same

fiat money is not just trust/faith .. its actually backed by laws of debt, fines, tax, minimum wage and other charges that keep it in circulation

other monies have other aspects. such as the old gold backed commercial bank money had laws of swaps for gold and bearers promissory contracts

bitcoins values(features and benefits) are based on math and cryptography that form the code of rule. where the economic value(number) is based on an underlying cost of the lowest acquisition cost of a period(wholesale) where the spot market then speculates above it

you do not need faith in bitcoin.. code is law. its does not need trust. it just has transparency
infact if people do start to trust and blindly believe in some entity to manage bitcoin. and pray to them like gods.. bitcoin has failed as a decentralised currency.. no one should be trying to hold anyone up as a god in bitcoin, those that do, fail to understand how bitcoin should work

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Quote from: Bushdark on July 27, 2023, 07:45:33 PM

Quote from: wiss19 on July 27, 2023, 09:19:10 AM

Aren't they already? So there is no need for Bitcoin to have a status like that ( the one you're saying ) but if that happens then many Bitcoin users are going to be happy about that. Bitcoin's adoption is already wide but it's still possible for it to become even wider. What is only unlikely is if it will replace the current global financial system. So many banks and financial institutions are against it, so they won't let that happen.

Maybe Peter and Paul played a big role in spreading Christianity but before it, I think we have Moses. I like Moses better to be the equivalent of Michael Saylor because like Moses who help the slaves, Saylor also help the people against the modern-day slavery through Bitcoin.

Bitcoin is an online digital currency and if it take over the global currency then it is going to aid the future adoption of Bitcoin as a digital and also a global currency. It is obvious that Michael Saylor is a Bitcoin optimist and alway agitate about the use and adoption of Bitcoin buying large holdings of it for the future. I don't see how Christianity is related to this although I don't really understand more about what op is trying to pass but I think this is a separate person that is different from the men of God in the Bible and there characters are different entirely.

Money's value is intricately tied to human belief, trust, and confidence in its ability to serve as a reliable medium of exchange and store of wealth. Without the collective faith in its worth, money would lose its effectiveness as a tool for economic transactions and societal functioning.

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Quote from: wiss19 on July 27, 2023, 09:19:10 AM

Aren't they already? So there is no need for Bitcoin to have a status like that ( the one you're saying ) but if that happens then many Bitcoin users are going to be happy about that. Bitcoin's adoption is already wide but it's still possible for it to become even wider. What is only unlikely is if it will replace the current global financial system. So many banks and financial institutions are against it, so they won't let that happen.

Maybe Peter and Paul played a big role in spreading Christianity but before it, I think we have Moses. I like Moses better to be the equivalent of Michael Saylor because like Moses who help the slaves, Saylor also help the people against the modern-day slavery through Bitcoin.

Bitcoin is an online digital currency and if it take over the global currency then it is going to aid the future adoption of Bitcoin as a digital and also a global currency. It is obvious that Michael Saylor is a Bitcoin optimist and alway agitate about the use and adoption of Bitcoin buying large holdings of it for the future. I don't see how Christianity is related to this although I don't really understand more about what op is trying to pass but I think this is a separate person that is different from the men of God in the Bible and there characters are different entirely.

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Gotta love these kinds of posts every now and again that paints bitcoin as the Jesus of the internet and its promoters the ever-faithful apostles of its doctrine. Fucking funny if you'll ask me. The fact that people go so far as to think that bitcoin is the end-all-be-all solution to every problem that this world has astounds me for the wrong reasons cause what in the hell are you guys thinking that bitcoin will solve all your problems? It can't even solve its own issues for crying out loud.

But yeah going back to your question, Put down the thinking cap and the tinfoil hat cause no, Michael Saylor isn't the apostle or whatnot and bitcoin is not the Jesus of the internet. Move on and use bitcoin in its full capacity but don't go thinking that it's the second coming of Christ cause you'll look stupid in your friend group.

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Quote from: wiss19 on July 27, 2023, 09:19:10 AM

Aren't they already? So there is no need for Bitcoin to have a status like that ( the one you're saying ) but if that happens then many Bitcoin users are going to be happy about that. Bitcoin's adoption is already wide but it's still possible for it to become even wider. What is only unlikely is if it will replace the current global financial system. So many banks and financial institutions are against it, so they won't let that happen.

Maybe Peter and Paul played a big role in spreading Christianity but before it, I think we have Moses. I like Moses better to be the equivalent of Michael Saylor because like Moses who help the slaves, Saylor also help the people against the modern-day slavery through Bitcoin.

If Michael Saylor invited me today for a 40-year-long walk through the Sinai Desert, I would agree to it, even though I am no longer young. Only 2% of people older than 26.25 years are capable of changing their worldview. The remaining 98% of individuals, raised on Marvel, DC, and parental guidance to keep the American dollar in banks or under the mattress, belong to the Liquidated Generation. Hence, in order for the last slave of the fiat system and the American dollar to die, Bitcoin plebs simply need such a 40-year-long journey. And are you ready to sustain yourself solely on heavenly manna for 40 years for the future of finance?

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Aren't they already? So there is no need for Bitcoin to have a status like that ( the one you're saying ) but if that happens then many Bitcoin users are going to be happy about that. Bitcoin's adoption is already wide but it's still possible for it to become even wider. What is only unlikely is if it will replace the current global financial system. So many banks and financial institutions are against it, so they won't let that happen.

Maybe Peter and Paul played a big role in spreading Christianity but before it, I think we have Moses. I like Moses better to be the equivalent of Michael Saylor because like Moses who help the slaves, Saylor also help the people against the modern-day slavery through Bitcoin.

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Quote from: KalOlak on July 23, 2023, 03:24:09 PM

If Bitcoin were to replace the current global financial system and achieve widespread adoption as a decentralized and reliable store of value, some enthusiasts might see Michael Saylor as a visionary or a pivotal figure. Similar to how Peter and Paul played crucial roles in spreading the teachings of Christianity, Saylor's active promotion and strategic investment in Bitcoin could be viewed as instrumental in driving its adoption.

The analogy suggests that just as the apostles were significant in the establishment and spread of Christianity, Saylor's dedication to advocating for Bitcoin and integrating it into his business strategies could be perceived as foundational for a potential future financial paradigm.

discuss

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Quote from: KalOlak on July 23, 2023, 03:24:09 PM

If Bitcoin were to replace the current global financial system and achieve widespread adoption as a decentralized and reliable store of value, some enthusiasts might see Michael Saylor as a visionary or a pivotal figure. Similar to how Peter and Paul played crucial roles in spreading the teachings of Christianity, Saylor's active promotion and strategic investment in Bitcoin could be viewed as instrumental in driving its adoption.

The analogy suggests that just as the apostles were significant in the establishment and spread of Christianity, Saylor's dedication to advocating for Bitcoin and integrating it into his business strategies could be perceived as foundational for a potential future financial paradigm.

discuss

Are we really trying to mix religion and bitcoin over here? Roll Eyes

Saylor is buying a ton of bitcoin because besides actually believing in them, he also wants to make a big profit. As someone else pointed out eventually just some of the very first adopters can be seen somehow as people who really believed in bitcoin because back then everything could have failed at any moment; Saylor stepped in when everybody already knew what bitcoin was, he just bought a lot, that's it, he didn't revolutionize anything.

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firstly. MS doesnt always "buy low" he just buys when his business is flush with cash but doesnt want to claim it as taxable profits. thus nothing special

secondly he is not the largest investment.

thirdly his investments are corporate not personal

fourthly his promotions are not really about the bitcoin network but a different network claiming to be bitcoin, but is instead a subnetwork bridge playing with a different unit of measure and payments between users feel nothing like a bitcoin transaction confirmation method nor does this network he promotes even have a blockchain. thus his adverts are a system which doesnt teach people much about how bitcoin actually works or secures itself. its just a sub par(with flaws) network that pegs other unit to bitcoin in a credit swap of vaulted up(locked) reserves of middlemen (aka LN)

over all bitcoin is not suppose to replace global finance, its suppose to hedge against idea's of one world currency" things like the dollars domination, and no MS is not a messiah, prophet, apostle, or any other religious messenger

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Quote from: KalOlak on July 23, 2023, 03:24:09 PM

If Bitcoin were to replace the current global financial system and achieve widespread adoption as a decentralized and reliable store of value, some enthusiasts might see Michael Saylor as a visionary or a pivotal figure. Similar to how Peter and Paul played crucial roles in spreading the teachings of Christianity, Saylor's active promotion and strategic investment in Bitcoin could be viewed as instrumental in driving its adoption.

The analogy suggests that just as the apostles were significant in the establishment and spread of Christianity, Saylor's dedication to advocating for Bitcoin and integrating it into his business strategies could be perceived as foundational for a potential future financial paradigm.

discuss

There is no comparison between the two of them.
We acknowledge Micheal Saylor being out there but he is not the only person. This goes to show that you still need to do your home work on bitcoin proponents. There are thousands of them out there...Michael Saylor may just be the one you watch the most... you know the internet thing where if you watch the video of someone so much the internet algorithm starts to show you more of that person? I think that may be what is happening in the OP's case.

Saylor is no where close

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Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on July 23, 2023, 09:48:55 PM

Quote from: KalOlak on July 23, 2023, 03:24:09 PM

If Bitcoin were to replace the current global financial system and achieve widespread adoption as a decentralized and reliable store of value, some enthusiasts might see Michael Saylor as a visionary or a pivotal figure. Similar to how Peter and Paul played crucial roles in spreading the teachings of Christianity, Saylor's active promotion and strategic investment in Bitcoin could be viewed as instrumental in driving its adoption.

The analogy suggests that just as the apostles were significant in the establishment and spread of Christianity, Saylor's dedication to advocating for Bitcoin and integrating it into his business strategies could be perceived as foundational for a potential future financial paradigm.

discuss

Comparing the work of Peter and Paul who went about spreading the good news of Christianity to that of what Michael Saylor is currently doing right now of his spread over the adoption of Bitcoin is kind of preposterous, because both are totally two different concepts, of which just as Peter and Paul offered a selfless service for the promotion of the kingdom of God, Michael Saylor is currently offering a service of which he stands to make huge profit if Bitcoin happens to skyrocket very high with mass adoption. Because I'm made to understand that Michael owns over 12,333 Bitcoin, worth over $369million with a current of approximately $30k per Bitcoin. So imagine how much profit he stands to gain if Bitcoin hit $100k, that is almost a billion dollars.

That is quite a bit of coin right there if it did go to 100k but strangely I feel like that can't be all Saylor and MS would stand to gain, I feel like it would have to be way more than that and it will be because they buy BTC like it's their job lol. On the note about comparing Saylor to the disciples is a heck of a stretch lol not even close m8 (OP) but good try....

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