Topic: Is Michael Saylor a modern apostle like Peter and Paul? - page 2. (Read 557 times)

Good point. But never say never.

You know, for example, the U.S. Congress is not very friendly towards Bitcoin. But let's consider the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Well, it's all because the legal firms that cryptocurrency projects and exchanges in the U.S. approach are just regular scammers collecting hundreds of millions of dollars from these ignorant idiots without providing any concrete solution to legalize Bitcoin and establish rules for this market for U.S. citizens. Well, the lawyers of Order 2.625 (whom many of you may laugh at or not take seriously enough) have proposed a practical solution for legalizing Bitcoin in the U.S., citing the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. After all, Order 2.625, as the Decentralized Religious Organization Order 2.625 (DROO 2.625) represented by the North American Diocese (Eparchy) and the plebeians of the order, is nothing but a religious movement. Therefore, according to the Constitution, the U.S. Congress has no right to prohibit the plebeians of the Order from using Bitcoin, as Bitcoin is the ceremonial currency unit of the Order and serves as our religious symbol (similar to the kirpan of the Sikhs)

In this sense, Order 2.625 is grateful to all the previous religious movements in the U.S. (especially Protestants and Catholics) for creating this convenient loophole in the fundamental law of the state.

Do you still consider creating a religion an irrational strategy?

OP, although Bitcoin will continue to gain a wide spread as time goes on, but I have doubts that the government will just wake up any day and allow Bitcoin to become generally accepted as legal tender. Some countries will not legalise Bitcoin, and one reason is because they can't fully regulate it or make it centralized. That's why they (the government) will not want Bitcoin to replace the global financial system.

Also, Michael Sylor is not the only investor with a huge amount invested in Bitcoin; I hope you know that Micro Strategy is just a company and there are other investors in the company, so all the Bitcoin they hold is not just for Sylor. There are also other whales out there.

I simply asked if you have enough qualifications and level of education for your statements about Bitcoin to be based on knowledge rather than belief grounded in forum messages or other pseudo-scientific readings.

Maybe those that doesn't know him or get experienced on this kind of play with give more attention to someone like Michael Saylor, most of the the talks he made were to captivate the attention of the media to himself, he's not the first person to be prophesying good things about bitcoin, but i think he only uses his portfolio being a CEO of microstrategy to get media attention indirectly promoting himself and the business he does through the social using bitcoin as a subject of constant discussion to the public, if we are talking about those that are really important and concerned about bitcoin to where it is today, we have to recognize the impact of those that have contributed in working along with Satoshi towards the success of bitcoin and where it is today and not those that are always after seeking the media attention for their recognition.

Yeah, I've read!
I didn't find any trace of "good deeds" but found a District of Columbia tax fraud lawsuit, SEC investigation and settlement, and so on!

Can you again point to the good deeds he did for humanity?
Because if you say investing in Bitcoin other people's money you borrowed is a good deed then why is it not investing in Walmart shares also a good deed?

Yes, I am not from where he comes from but I have made some research on him and from what I saw he has helped people in different way. I will want you to read more of him from here as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_J._Saylor. I don't know him in person, I have not even seen him in face to face but I have seen in Instagram where in most times he talks about bitcoin. And from the search I made I also found out he has helped students through his academy.

Then why the hell do you bring up religion every time in the discussions, not just here but in your other topic as well, just stop with this, everyone is getting tied to religious beliefs getting mixed in everything and just stirring the pot like this won't get you anywhere, as we all know what's the target is here.
Want a piece of advice? Stop trying so hard!


That's the first thing I thought about when I saw the title, and based on life experience in 2-3 years we're going to call Saylor Judas!
And btw, even Satoshi shouldn't be named Jesus, he's the creator so more like god, but the whole thing is just stupid, Bitcoin can't work without internet so how would you call Tim Berners in this situation?


Good deeds to humanity? You must be joking!

It feels so dumb when someone starts bringing a cult-like behavior to Bitcoin lol, BTC isn’t Jesus, nor is Satoshi, Saylor or anyone else. Keeping these things separated is much healthier for your brain.

Michael Saylor is just a dude who wants to make money. He chose the perfect time to invest in BTC before but not all the time. In fact, wasn’t he one of those who used to not believe in BTC? He isn’t a saint or apostle man, lol, this is so silly!

I honestly don't care about your fantasies and some made-up cults and 2.65 Order that you mention from the moment you registered on the forum, because it's just a bunch of nonsense that would have been better if it never appeared on the English part of the forum. Also, my education is none of your business, but you remind me of a couple of fanatics who spread the same theories years ago, and I wouldn't be surprised if you were someone's alt account.

You can continue your discussions with the member @Ucy who is known for his crazy ideas, and considering that he supposedly talks to God every day, he might be able to convert you to not being an atheist anymore

I am not saying he is going to sell all of his BTC which indirectly means he will sell his company (Micro Strategy) but i am saying what if he started to sell. Then the , metaphor you have used fits here perfectly (Goose that lays golden eggs). I completely i agree he got no reason to sell all of his BTC. But what if in parallel Universe (hah just kidding) he forced to make such decisions then.

But still, he will live longer (means his company). He didn't own the 21,000,000 BTC and the price is not 0.01$ if you are taking these numbers as metaphors than its another matter. Because i already mentioned how many BTC he had. My strategy will be if i am in his place to keep eating all the eggs instead of killing the goose.

In the Gospels, there are a few instances where Jesus' teachings or actions appeared to depart from traditional Jewish laws or commandments. Here are a couple of examples:
Healing on the Sabbath: In Mark 3:1-6, Jesus encounters a man with a withered hand on the Sabbath day. The Pharisees watched Him closely to see if He would heal the man, so they could accuse Him of breaking the Sabbath laws. Despite the prohibition on work on the Sabbath, Jesus goes ahead and heals the man, emphasizing that doing good and showing compassion are more important than rigidly following the letter of the law. Eating with sinners and tax collectors: The Gospels mention several occasions where Jesus dined with tax collectors, considered sinners and outcasts by the religious establishment. One example is found in Mark 2:15-17, where Jesus is criticized for eating with tax collectors and sinners. In response, Jesus states that He came not for the righteous but for sinners, indicating His willingness to associate with those who were traditionally seen as morally impure or unclean.

Why do you think that selling Bitcoin (to get money to buy more Bitcoin at a lower price) or using Bitcoin as collateral for borrowing money with leverage to buy more Bitcoin is a "Judas sin"?

Without his self interest due to his eheavy bags of investment, I think Saylor can be categorized as Apostle since he is clewrly advocating the use of Bitcoin on his social media with lots of follower. But we knew that this kind of act has an expiration once he already sold his bags.

A temporary apostle like Judas can be the best description for him. Don't get carried away on his sweet words because he is a businessman and not a philanthropist that will donate his company money on Bitcoin liquidity forever.

But how can we know what Jesus said or even Peter and Paul said? Moreover, the first Gospel appeared centuries after the death of Christ and underwent thousands of redactions. The ideas of Christ have existed for centuries without the Gospels. Thus, the idea is much more significant than the Gospel.


"Teaching the truth is like building a house or planting a tree. You first of all set the foundation or sow the seed in the ground then gradually add layers upon layers of bricks or food particles ontop of the foundation or seed until it becomes a house or a tree. When spreading the word, firstly set a foundation in the heart of people then add layers upon layers of words on this foundation until the words become bold and strong enough in their minds to control them to be fruitful or do things right. Don't deviate from the foundation" - Wise words for Bitcoin foundation BTC

I have not heard about Michael J. Saylor preaching the gospel of bitcoin like Peter and Paul but I have only heard about his good deeds to humanity from his investment company. Saylor invest massively in bitcoin this year. Though he has given the orientation of bitcoin to his workers and friends and families and that all bitcoin enthusiast does. Peter and Paul didn't stay in one place to preach the gospel but Saylor has not left America to advocate for bitcoin but of the opportunity is given to him. He can do it.

How he is going about it is all that matters. If his teachings isn't based on Bitcoin principles which is the Foundation of Bitcoin then it's better not taught at all.
Peter and Paul never deviated from the foundational principles of the Gospel which is JESUS CHRIST. Whatever they teach while spreading the gospel must be according to the Word of GOD or the doctrine of JESUS. Whatever is outside of the doctrine or not correctly preached is counted as heresy and the teachers doomed.

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Teaching the truth is like building a house or planting a tree. You first of all set the foundation or sow the seed in the ground then gradually add layers upon layers of bricks or food particles ontop of the foundation or seed until it becomes a house or a tree.
When spreading the word, firstly set a foundation in the heart of people then add layers upon layers of words on this foundation until the words become bold and strong enough in their minds to control them to be fruitful or do things right. Don't deviate from the foundation

I believe that is detrimental to anyone's mind to have this kind of cult thing. I mean, like any other currency, or asset classes, or stocks. BTC is just another tool for freedom. Nothing more. Do not fall to any religion into that. Do not praise to anything especially on material things. Yes Saylor could be that man who have now high influence on crypto space, but just like what I've said. Don't fall into believing that as long as Saylor is there, BTC will be alive. There is no religion in that. Don't be part of it. Detach yourself.

Interesting point of view. So, are you saying that you have a Ph.D. in Mathematics and fully understand the elliptic cryptography (ECDSA), which serves as the mathematical basis for Bitcoin? Additionally, you have a Ph.D. in Computer Science and can review the Bitcoin source code. Or did you just finish elementary school and simply believe that everything I mentioned just works? So, what is your opinion on Bitcoin based on, knowledge or faith?

That’s could be nice meme if someone is able to fit it in a giphy box. Why world doesn’t understand that it’s a Bitcoin. You use it to transact, store your money, have a freedom of transacting, better anonymity as compared to other means of transacting and borderless transactions with paperless work.

That’s bitcoin. You don’t need to compare it with religious view that already gave rise to world war and killed billions of lives altogether.

It’s merely a vehicle to transact and in return get a product or service mate. That’s all.

I definitely wouldn’t consider Michael Saylor a modern apostle. If anything he’s responsible for driving up the price before more nor Moe’s could enter the market. Just look at his past. He’s a guy who got rich domain squatting. I don’t view his entrance into Bitcoin as much different. He saw value in digital property and is trying to scoop as much as he can to exploit for profit.

It's not that I care if you believe in the sun, the moon or some deity, but for an atheist you seem to know a lot about Christianity.


Religions were not created to make people bad (quite the contrary), but in the name of various religions (including Christianity) great crimes were committed and millions of people suffered and lost their lives. I will not go to OT, but will only repeat that it makes no sense to push Bitcoin in that direction.


I honestly don't care what he proved (or not), because Bitcoin is not a philosophy as you want to present it, it is based on solid facts, unless you think that cryptography and mathematics are also some kind of religion or cult?