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Topic: Is Monero, Dash and all anon coins fucked? (Read 8120 times)

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December 01, 2017, 07:22:54 AM
A simple and dirty advertisement for Zcash, which is not save at all. DASH is the most secure and protected coin, while Monero is another good option. Zcash is crap. Be cautious while reading that kind of rubbish and always make your own research into that. I'm done

Why is Zcash not save at all ? Until now I though it provides very good privacy.

Monero provides more anonymity than Zcash. This project is much more reliable. It is impossible to track transactions if you use Monero. This is an excellent coin)

That's backwards. Zcash has its own issues, but so does Monero.
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November 30, 2017, 03:08:03 PM
A simple and dirty advertisement for Zcash, which is not save at all. DASH is the most secure and protected coin, while Monero is another good option. Zcash is crap. Be cautious while reading that kind of rubbish and always make your own research into that. I'm done

Why is Zcash not save at all ? Until now I though it provides very good privacy.

Monero provides more anonymity than Zcash. This project is much more reliable. It is impossible to track transactions if you use Monero. This is an excellent coin)
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November 30, 2017, 02:45:11 PM
A simple and dirty advertisement for Zcash, which is not save at all. DASH is the most secure and protected coin, while Monero is another good option. Zcash is crap. Be cautious while reading that kind of rubbish and always make your own research into that. I'm done

Why is Zcash not save at all ? Until now I though it provides very good privacy.
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November 30, 2017, 05:42:18 AM
A simple and dirty advertisement for Zcash, which is not save at all. DASH is the most secure and protected coin, while Monero is another good option. Zcash is crap. Be cautious while reading that kind of rubbish and always make your own research into that. I'm done

It would be nice to have also some arguments to support claims like this, for all the people who don't know the tecnicals and still want to understand these differences.
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A simple and dirty advertisement for Zcash, which is not save at all. DASH is the most secure and protected coin, while Monero is another good option. Zcash is crap. Be cautious while reading that kind of rubbish and always make your own research into that. I'm done
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I also think that Zcash and co are better than Monero in term of technology. But Monero is still very good. I don't think Monero will disappear like that. I think Monero is more user friendly than Zcash and other Z coins. Monero wallets are better. They have wallets on near all existing platform. Because of this, Monero will still stay strong i think. Zcash and other Z coins need to improve the user friendly aspect of their wallets if they want to attract more people.
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Monero and the rest of the privacy centered coins are definitely in a very competitive field involved. Cryptography is no easy task and there are many who are winning in that domain and many who are losing. In my opinion, Monero and most of the privacy coins are indeed in trouble, just because they have to face Zcash. Zcash has been releasing some awesome stuff and came up with serious cryptographic innovations that the other projects have not even come close to create something similar or even competitive. The thing is, that many projects already, from financial corporations to Ethereum itself, have praised the approach of Zcash and are looking themselves to implement that solution in their own blockchains. That can tell you a lot about how successful they have been in developing privacy centered solutions. The team is obviously very bright and has done a great job in that field, hopefully we'll see more innovations coming in that sector, because privacy is a really fundamental part in order for the mainstream to adopt the blockchain.
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I've done some research among my cryptofan friends and I'd say Monero still has a lot of support. I wouldn't hurry to withdraw my confidence in this coin just yet.
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Monero isn't. With all alts decreasing against BTC, monero was one of them to hold on.
Monero will soon again go back to it's 3 digit price in USD.
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Anon coin is not marketable in the mainstream. Personally i think it should because there is absolutely nothing wrong in a person requiring anonymous transaction and other services. I believe it is my fundamental right to be anon when I want to and keep my business private. Having said all of these monero so far is the only anon coin!
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Is dash really an anonymous coin? I know we have option to select for transaction but I saw many threads here in this forum and reddit claiming that dash isn't as private as it is. I don't know it's real or not but the dash is moreover a centralised Premined coin. So that fact may be true.
But I think Monero is the only true privacy coin because of its ring signature features.

The Monero developers have been quite aggressive in trying out cryptographic technology. That has led to a rollercoaster ride so far. It is one of the best anonymous coins, but the question is how far can anonymous coins go?

I think as soon as Verge has implemented Wraith Protocol, it will take over and become the best anon coin. Smiley

Anonymity will be incorporated into a major decentralized ledger.

There will only be a few altcoins remaining at the end game which aggregate all the features of the others.

The winner will have massive adoption and all the rest will fall away.

We are still in the Dot.com speculative, wild west proliferation phase right now. When that busts, then we will have a shitcoin cleanout phase and only the strong altcoins with real adoption will survive.

Onion routing is not reliably anonymous. Last time I checked, Verge was based on onion routing. Study the threat vectors. In fact the only technology that seems to have the potential to be reliably anonymous is the family of technologies being developed for Zcash. I say that as an expert and as the author of the blog linked to from the OP of this thread.

The rest of the obfuscated copycoin shit is going to eventually fall away, although in the meantime their shills can fool some of the technologically ignorant speculators for the time being.

Monero is the most widely used anonymity technology blockchain and that is very unlikely to change in the near-term (Zcash’s technology is too slow and needs improved use case marketing & engineering). Anyone using Dash for anonymity is ignorant about anonymity technology.

My blog was not intended to say that Monero is going to collapse. It was to point out an inherent flaw as compared to Zcash’s technology and to talk about what that means for the future in terms of which sort of anonymity technology we are likely to have at the end game.

One thing I learned from his reaction and his banning and censorship, is that @fluffypony is not the sort of person I would ever work with or hire on my team. He should have embraced my efforts and also embraced my refutations about his mistakes in the analysis of ASIC resistant proof-of-work. Instead he bans me from Github and write lies on Twitter.

This sort of petty partisanship is why I think Monero is not a professional outfit and why I do not think they can succeed in a large-scale way.

To succeed at the large scale requires humility, objectivity, and openness.

Their feeling is that I sensationalized my blog in order to draw attention to my expertise. They probably feel I am doing marketing at their expense. Nevertheless I put a lot of effort into that blog, research, etc.. and yes I do want to be appropriately recognized for my efforts. And we all know that Monerotards enjoyed trolling my reputation and insulting me. The problem always was that Monero tried to claim they had the only and best open source superstar team. They opted to act snobbishly. They were trying to position themselves as being the only significantly talented dev group other than Core. They were aiming to be taken seriously as the challenger to Bitcoin. But the facts did not match the size of their enlarged egos. We should have instead opted for a win-win, instead of a win-lose paradigm/attitude:

Ian Grigg provides another perspective on the distinction between permissioned and permissionless. His Constitution without walls is my decentralized ledger design, except he has a mistake. He wants to do it with voting, elections, delegates, but that is known to fail to be fair due to the Iron Law of Political Economics and the power vacuum. However, my solution is algorithmic and deals with this more effectively I think. To the extent that the Constitution is algorithmically objective then no forks are created.

What we needed was a way that many devs could be financed and work in the ecosystem. So then ICOs came along and basically relegated Monero’s former arrogance to the trashbin of history. But ICOs also have a problem in that they are likely illegal and blowback is probably coming.

What we really need is a legal way to finance many development groups. That is what I am working on! Unlike Monerotards, I know I can not be the best at everything. I have to help others be the best at what they do.
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Is dash really an anonymous coin? I know we have option to select for transaction but I saw many threads here in this forum and reddit claiming that dash isn't as private as it is. I don't know it's real or not but the dash is moreover a centralised Premined coin. So that fact may be true.
But I think Monero is the only true privacy coin because of its ring signature features.

The Monero developers have been quite aggressive in trying out cryptographic technology. That has led to a rollercoaster ride so far. It is one of the best anonymous coins, but the question is how far can anonymous coins go?

I think as soon as Verge has implemented Wraith Protocol, it will take over and become the best anon coin. Smiley
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Is dash really an anonymous coin? I know we have option to select for transaction but I saw many threads here in this forum and reddit claiming that dash isn't as private as it is. I don't know it's real or not but the dash is moreover a centralised Premined coin. So that fact may be true.
But I think Monero is the only true privacy coin because of its ring signature features.

The Monero developers have been quite aggressive in trying out cryptographic technology. That has led to a rollercoaster ride so far. It is one of the best anonymous coins, but the question is how far can anonymous coins go?
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According to Palm Beach Confidential... ZenCash (ZEN) is the anon coin to watch.
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Is dash really an anonymous coin? I know we have option to select for transaction but I saw many threads here in this forum and reddit claiming that dash isn't as private as it is. I don't know it's real or not but the dash is moreover a centralised Premined coin. So that fact may be true.
But I think Monero is the only true privacy coin because of its ring signature features.
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Anonymity as a privacy right, where the payee knows the identity for payer, might however remain viable and allowed (because the payee can still report the paper trail to the authorities). Without privacy, businesses can not even use cryptocurrency because it means their competitors could track their activity. There are many other reasons that privacy is important and needed by society. Thus anonymity technologies remain important.

Something fishy smell about what is going with EOS:

That Block.one CEO dude is nodding his head affirmatively when another person says the blockchain must track all our identities and by implication we should not have any privacy any more! Even if they refer to pseudonymous identity, it should still be optional in many cases.
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There will always be need for Anonymous coins and the demand is still huge, you can see after the Aphamarket was taken down the darknet was renergize because some people are now looking to take Alphanet market share. As long as people still trade guns and drugs there will always be need for these coins
That's absolutely true. Gambling, shady deals, black money laundering, etc will always exist and has existed since stone age(?). That might also be (pure speculations) why Monero jumped slightly more than two folds earlier on this year.
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Can you guys commemnt on Cloakcoin?.. it is relatively cheap compared to the circulating supply, but I don´t know if it is, so to speak, a quality annonimous coin.

It may be cheap in terms of future gains but still not easy to buy at its current price for beginners who have a small budget. So probably better to be looking something like XVG which is cheap and has good potential.
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Can you guys commemnt on Cloakcoin?.. it is relatively cheap compared to the circulating supply, but I don´t know if it is, so to speak, a quality annonimous coin.
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stop say something if u dont know about that..
if that fuck coins we already forgot about that
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