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Topic: Is Monero, Dash and all anon coins fucked? - page 2. (Read 8124 times)

legendary
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So you think simply because somebody wrote an article about new anon coin and the fact that such article was ban shows that the said anon is replacing monero? You are funny dude. Years of development can not be replace by article or hype of new anon coin.

Years of development doesn't mean that it is perfect. For an example, all you need to see is the new forum software. Cheesy
On a serious note, anonymous coins have a niche space. I don't think they will outgrow that.
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So you think simply because somebody wrote an article about new anon coin and the fact that such article was ban shows that the said anon is replacing monero? You are funny dude. Years of development can not be replace by article or hype of new anon coin.
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XVG is the one. I believe this anon coin will eventually out do the others and is very cheap at the moment.
I like verge, but it has too large a supply and not enough development going on. 

If they start delivering on their roadmap, maybe. 
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XVG is the one. I believe this anon coin will eventually out do the others and is very cheap at the moment.
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Why fucked? That was a hasty generalization that is purely based on fears that have no basis whatsoever. This can be placed in the category of FUDs. Monero and Dash are still leading in the world of anonymous coins, as well as ZEC. These 3 coins are the top when it comes to hiding your identity. Deeponion is introducing itself to be like them but I have doubts.
Deeponion is a scam.  It's just a copy of another tor clone coin.
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There's currently a huge bounty available to anyone who's able to "break" Monero.

It remains unclaimed.

That is the answer to your question.

No it is not the answer. This line of argument was rebuked in the follow-up comments and discussions at or linked from the blog. (In short, the vulnerability requires an adversary with far more resources than any of us individuals commenting here have at our disposal)

Vcash also had a bounty for anyone that could break it, but that was not representative of the fact that it was dogshit.

How tired do I get of every one of 1000s of n00bs come in this thread and make some statement that is nonsense and had already been refuted many times. Does that mean it is my job to repeat myself 1000s of times to prevent you from spreading misinformation. I am actually not paid to do so.
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There's currently a huge bounty available to anyone who's able to "break" Monero.

It remains unclaimed.

That is the answer to your question.
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legendary
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Anon coin prices are all connected to dash price and dash price is dropping after asic releases .
and more asics are on the way. will drop more.
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As far as anon-coins being illegal, can you elaborate on why you view this differently than Cryptos in general. What I mean is that Armstrong argues against BTC saying the elites simply won't allow it. You're rebuttal was that they can't shutdown Cryptos without shutting down the Internet (at least I hope I'm not misrepresenting correct me if i'm wrong). However, on the other hand you seem to be saying that Anon-coins will be banned and users jailed and consequently they won't be a viable solution as we'd all hoped.

The current USA law criminalizes (up to a 20 year felony) accepting money that has a known criminal origin, but apparently if you have no reasonable idea of it being criminal in origin, then the law does not currently criminalize it.

But the thing is that if you’re accept money from anonymous source, then you have not done the basic due diligence to insure you have reasonable belief that the money is not of criminal origin. So it is possible that all anonymous sources may become illegal to accept.

The USA appears to be the worst in this area so far. As I wrote, I could not find such criminalization of individuals (except for someone acting in some professional capacity that is AML regulated) in the Finnish law which I cited, at least for now.

In short, I think absolute anonymity is not going to hold up over the long-term as viable. The nation-states are going to have an incentive to criminalize “black money” as their hunt for taxes intensifies as the sovereign debt crisis accelerates with the coming short dollar vortex which is really going to accelerate in 2018.

Anonymity as a privacy right, where the payee knows the identity for payer, might however remain viable and allowed (because the payee can still report the paper trail to the authorities). Without privacy, businesses can not even use cryptocurrency because it means their competitors could track their activity. There are many other reasons that privacy is important and needed by society. Thus anonymity technologies remain important.

But note that if payees are reporting payers to the authorities, this is the sort of meta data collapse that I mentioned in my blog (linked from the OP) which is the subject of this thread. And thus the Zcash’s technology (not necessarily the current Zcash implementation though) could (in theory) be more reliably anonymous than the Monero/Cryptonote/RingCT technology. Which was the conclusion I made in my blog.

Note Zcash (Zk-snarks actually) has some performance limitations which were discussed in the comments that ensued at my blog. And this has to be addressed for it to be truly viable. Thus technologically anonymity is not yet a solved issue. There are potentially zk-STARKS coming and I heard that Monero is even looking into these new technologies.

Frankly though, I do not think any purely anonymity coin will survive long-term. The best anonymity technology will be folded into the most widely adopted altcoin and then that will be the end of the separate anonymity coins eventually.



Why fucked? That was a hasty generalization that is purely based on fears that have no basis whatsoever. This can be placed in the category of FUDs.

Here we go again with someone who can’t read.

And no, I am not going to repeat all the information again just for you. You can learn to read or continue telling others to eat dogfood.

Monero and Dash are still leading in the world of anonymous coins, as well as ZEC. These 3 coins are the top when it comes to hiding your identity. Deeponion is introducing itself to be like them but I have doubts.

Dash’s technology is absolute nonsense and I wish disingenuous shills would stop making us repeat that. But let them eat their dogfood. Additionally, anyone who thinks onion routing is reliable anonymity apparently has not studied the threat vectors.
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No are not, is just a natural thing what happened now, these technologies are new. Do not forget this and will have some problems until they fix them.
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Why fucked? That was a hasty generalization that is purely based on fears that have no basis whatsoever. This can be placed in the category of FUDs. Monero and Dash are still leading in the world of anonymous coins, as well as ZEC. These 3 coins are the top when it comes to hiding your identity. Deeponion is introducing itself to be like them but I have doubts.
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All of this is thereotical right now and currently, XMR is probably still the most anonymous and trusted anon coin out there. Dash and ZCash can't really even be considered to be anon, since anonymity is not enforced.

If this is true(can't really understand half the things he said, i'm not a big technical guy), then it's never too late for their respective teams to work on solving the issue. There is never going to be perfect anonymity, only better or worse.
Well if the cryptocurrencies can't ensure anonymity then I guess they are useless. The for which people follow the cryptocurrency is to be anonymous. There must be some solid steps taken by the technical teams otherwise they to listen to the music. Monero is not doubt one of them leading to anonymity but the problem with monero is that it can't sustain it's price in a well manner. If it could respond in a good manner to bear the pressure built by bitcoin price then it will be the favourite one.
hero member
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All of this is thereotical right now and currently, XMR is probably still the most anonymous and trusted anon coin out there. Dash and ZCash can't really even be considered to be anon, since anonymity is not enforced.

If this is true(can't really understand half the things he said, i'm not a big technical guy), then it's never too late for their respective teams to work on solving the issue. There is never going to be perfect anonymity, only better or worse.
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Anonymous coins could possibly end up as “black money” that will cause someone accepting the money to be imprisoned for up to 20 years (as of current USA legislation):

I do not think it is possible to make distribution permissionless. Proof-of-work is competitive but the problem is that most people can’t compete thus the onboarding is very narrow and the token stays mired as a speculation and HODLER coin.

What I hope is that […]
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I think not for monero. monero still has a long way to go as altcoin, and I think it can still grow and still have good potential.
Monero is not something that a novice trader can make their living on. Most coins don't have that many people selling the coins even if they have large bag holders.
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September 09, 2017, 03:27:15 AM
Monero has a huge potential.it needs some few years to develop.
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September 09, 2017, 01:41:34 AM
Yes, montero is going down. Listen to Shelby, and everyone else. Sell all your xrm to them.

Like like I said with bcx, the only flaw with monero wrt to Shelby this time around is that he doesn't have enough in his pocket.

That is probably the case. I have seen law enforcement agencies tracing the Bitcoin transactions and arresting those who purchased the drugs with Bitcoins. But I have never heard about an incident in which an anonymous crypto-coin such as Monero or Blackbytes was traced back to a particular individual. So as of now, I don't think that there is anything to worry. 

In terms of anonymity, Monero is the leading coin. Bitcoin was promoting their coin as completely anonymous way before but then it proved to be not totally. Law enforcement agencies have their own team of brilliant people and they were able to trace people involved with malicious activities even if they use BTC. Here comes Monero, and the anonymity level of crypto is taken a notch higher. So far, it proved to be really hard tracing Monero transactions with their respective identities.

But what do you think about it? Do you think that Monero users can be traced by the law enforcement agencies in the future? I am a hardcore supporter of web anonymity. But that doesn't mean that I support criminal activities such as child pornography and trafficking of girls. I have no issues, if the law enforcement agencies trace pedophiles through Monero.

There's no way to have an anonymous coin that isn't anonymous when the people using it are criminals. It's all or nothing.
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September 09, 2017, 01:40:38 AM
Yes, montero is going down. Listen to Shelby, and everyone else. Sell all your xrm to them.

Like like I said with bcx, the only flaw with monero wrt to Shelby this time around is that he doesn't have enough in his pocket.

That is probably the case. I have seen law enforcement agencies tracing the Bitcoin transactions and arresting those who purchased the drugs with Bitcoins. But I have never heard about an incident in which an anonymous crypto-coin such as Monero or Blackbytes was traced back to a particular individual. So as of now, I don't think that there is anything to worry. 

That's because they haven't tried very hard yet.
sr. member
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September 08, 2017, 10:55:55 PM
Yes, montero is going down. Listen to Shelby, and everyone else. Sell all your xrm to them.

Like like I said with bcx, the only flaw with monero wrt to Shelby this time around is that he doesn't have enough in his pocket.

That is probably the case. I have seen law enforcement agencies tracing the Bitcoin transactions and arresting those who purchased the drugs with Bitcoins. But I have never heard about an incident in which an anonymous crypto-coin such as Monero or Blackbytes was traced back to a particular individual. So as of now, I don't think that there is anything to worry.  

In terms of anonymity, Monero is the leading coin. Bitcoin was promoting their coin as completely anonymous way before but then it proved to be not totally. Law enforcement agencies have their own team of brilliant people and they were able to trace people involved with malicious activities even if they use BTC. Here comes Monero, and the anonymity level of crypto is taken a notch higher. So far, it proved to be really hard tracing Monero transactions with their respective identities.

But what do you think about it? Do you think that Monero users can be traced by the law enforcement agencies in the future? I am a hardcore supporter of web anonymity. But that doesn't mean that I support criminal activities such as child pornography and trafficking of girls. I have no issues, if the law enforcement agencies trace pedophiles through Monero.
sr. member
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September 08, 2017, 09:48:04 PM
Yes, montero is going down. Listen to Shelby, and everyone else. Sell all your xrm to them.

Like like I said with bcx, the only flaw with monero wrt to Shelby this time around is that he doesn't have enough in his pocket.

That is probably the case. I have seen law enforcement agencies tracing the Bitcoin transactions and arresting those who purchased the drugs with Bitcoins. But I have never heard about an incident in which an anonymous crypto-coin such as Monero or Blackbytes was traced back to a particular individual. So as of now, I don't think that there is anything to worry. 

In terms of anonymity, Monero is the leading coin. Bitcoin was promoting their coin as completely anonymous way before but then it proved to be not totally. Law enforcement agencies have their own team of brilliant people and they were able to trace people involved with malicious activities even if they use BTC. Here comes Monero, and the anonymity level of crypto is taken a notch higher. So far, it proved to be really hard tracing Monero transactions with their respective identities.
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