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July 26, 2023, 12:13:05 PM
I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

Poverty is when you don't have enough resources to provide for your family and yourself the basic necessities of life like; food, shelter, health etc.
In today's world, you should have enough amount of money to survive.
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They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy.


For food production, you need good equipment and fertilizer to get more production, water pump and electricity usage, all these things need money. If you don't have money, you can't get any of these things. Money can get you the things that you want/need.
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July 26, 2023, 12:10:07 PM
Poverty is relative. That is, it depends on the lifestyle of individuals in a particular society. Because, the standard of living in all societies is not the same. If there is a difference between what a person needs and what he has, then that condition is called poverty. The impact of poverty is especially high in rural communities. For example –
 1. Increase in illiteracy
 2. Increase in the number of child labourers
 3. Increase in unemployment
 4. Increasing number of women trafficked
 5. Increasing trend of rural crime
 6. Development is disrupted
 7. Increase in the number of migrant workers
 8. Increase in health problems
 9. Degradation of morality
 10. Inability to maintain a minimum standard of living
The rural population is almost entirely dependent on agriculture; As a result, the possibility of creating alternative employment opportunities is very low. That is, rural poverty simultaneously creates many social problems.
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July 26, 2023, 10:47:15 AM
Poverty is characterised by a lack of money or financial resources. Poverty is about more than just a shortage of funds though, it often involves inadequate access to basic necessities such as food, shelter, healthcare, education & opportunities for economic advancement. Poverty can also involve factors like social exclusion, limited social support networks & systemic inequalities that contribute to individuals & communities being trapped in a cycle of deprivation & disadvantage.
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July 19, 2023, 12:53:26 AM
According to my understanding, having what you need but no money does not make you poor because you have food and other necessities; rather, the term "poor" refers to someone who has nothing, as in when there is nothing to eat and nothing available for purchase. When this occurs, the process can be tedious and there are some things that money can do in some situations, so you won't be okay if you don't have any. So what I'm trying to convey is that even though you may not have enough money, you are not poor and having money is crucial to maintaining a healthy lifestyle.

Even though you can't buy happiness, I think having money can be useful at times. I also think that areas where you see people who appear to have everything they need and are content need money because they could want to purchase what they previously lacked.
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In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

In today's world, if you don't have money then you will be at a lot of disadvantage.

Let me give you one example. You maybe having everything that you need for your daily existence. But what will happen, if you need to deal with some emergency situation? For example, a natural catastrophe occurred and your house was destroyed. Without money, how you are going to rebuild your house? Or let's take the example of some medical issues. Suppose you got diagnosed with stage II cancer. Without the money, how you are going to afford the medicines, and complicated medical procedures such as chemotherapy or radiation therapy?
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July 17, 2023, 04:55:09 PM
We can say that poverty refers to lack of money, We can consider weather individual are able to full fill their basic needs or not. If He/she are able to full fill their family's basic needs then we cannot consider them under poverty level. Poverty is said to exist when people lack the means to satisfy their basic needs. There are several things to determine poverty like poor education, unemployment, over population etc. We can reduce poverty with Productivity and incomes from occupations and livelihoods are important factors for reducing poverty. Social conditions such as health, nutrition, education and housing influence productivity, thus affecting poverty status.

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I believe that poverty is one of the most controversial issues. The fact is that there is a dilemma about who would you give a million dollars to: to a thousand poor strangers or to one native person? There is no right answer to such a question. My friend crypto millionaire likes to serve to the poor. And I think it's not right. I immediately remember the saying: do not give the poor a fish, but teach him to fish, because then he will be full all his life.

While you are indeed right about that, there is nothing wrong with what your friend is trying to do because serving the poor literally much better than doing nothing, the fact that he is a millionaire doesn't mean that he's the only one that is entitled to help the poor because you too mate have the power to help them. You might not have the resources to help them financially but I'm quite sure that you can teach them how to fish, right?

Yes, that's why I often give advice on the forum in the category of Beginners and Help Smiley

I don't mind sharing with the poor, because everyone who has ever been hungry knows this feeling very well, and has a strong empathy for those who are not particularly lucky in life. Nevertheless, help is available only to those who want to be helped themselves. The world is full of those who themselves have become hostages of alcohol, drugs, gambling addictions. And it is very difficult to help such people, it is almost impossible. At the same time, there are many gifted guys who, like uncut diamonds, have great motivation and potential.
People themselves are the ones who are creating up their fate on which if they wont act and do hard work then there would be no progress on their life on which it would really be that understandable on such situation on

which there would be no upgrade or big changes and they would really remain the same.Its true that to those people who are really that financially stable or something that you could put yourself into those individuals who could afford on buying everything or something in between then its up to them whether they would really get pity into those people who are struggling on daily living.Yes, we could provide out some help but not into the point that we would really be making them lazy.Im not saying that they are really that all lazy but most of them are really that having behavior and this is why they wont really be having progress.

I have seen some of known person in the community on which they had been having a life on struggles but ending up on a few years on having their own house and having their own car.
Why? they have able to make out some investment and wise decisions on how they would really be stirring up their life decisions engaging into something more worth.
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July 17, 2023, 03:16:07 PM
We can say that poverty refers to lack of money, We can consider weather individual are able to full fill their basic needs or not. If He/she are able to full fill their family's basic needs then we cannot consider them under poverty level. Poverty is said to exist when people lack the means to satisfy their basic needs. There are several things to determine poverty like poor education, unemployment, over population etc. We can reduce poverty with Productivity and incomes from occupations and livelihoods are important factors for reducing poverty. Social conditions such as health, nutrition, education and housing influence productivity, thus affecting poverty status.

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I believe that poverty is one of the most controversial issues. The fact is that there is a dilemma about who would you give a million dollars to: to a thousand poor strangers or to one native person? There is no right answer to such a question. My friend crypto millionaire likes to serve to the poor. And I think it's not right. I immediately remember the saying: do not give the poor a fish, but teach him to fish, because then he will be full all his life.

While you are indeed right about that, there is nothing wrong with what your friend is trying to do because serving the poor literally much better than doing nothing, the fact that he is a millionaire doesn't mean that he's the only one that is entitled to help the poor because you too mate have the power to help them. You might not have the resources to help them financially but I'm quite sure that you can teach them how to fish, right?

Yes, that's why I often give advice on the forum in the category of Beginners and Help Smiley

I don't mind sharing with the poor, because everyone who has ever been hungry knows this feeling very well, and has a strong empathy for those who are not particularly lucky in life. Nevertheless, help is available only to those who want to be helped themselves. The world is full of those who themselves have become hostages of alcohol, drugs, gambling addictions. And it is very difficult to help such people, it is almost impossible. At the same time, there are many gifted guys who, like uncut diamonds, have great motivation and potential.
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July 17, 2023, 02:23:24 PM
Doesn’t seem like right to say it but in the modern age, having no money is definitely sign of poverty. Things are so costly that you can’t keep up with the basic needs also. The food and water which should have been the easy to get stuff is now on the shelves costing 5-10x higher than the base price. In the name of quality and brands we eat food at higher rates.

Why? Because wealthy people have no issue buying it because they can afford it and they are rich because they have money. If you just compare above statement with the definition of poverty then you got my point. Sad but true.

I fully agree with you about when you do not have money that's poverty and not being able to afford basic needs is still poverty the problem now is majority of the world population are broke, man and can not afford to feed, and getting a job and after getting the job the earn can not keep up with the bill, they just made the world more difficult since everything is just too expensive, things will not get better am sure of that.
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July 17, 2023, 12:54:27 PM
We can say that poverty refers to lack of money, We can consider weather individual are able to full fill their basic needs or not. If He/she are able to full fill their family's basic needs then we cannot consider them under poverty level. Poverty is said to exist when people lack the means to satisfy their basic needs. There are several things to determine poverty like poor education, unemployment, over population etc. We can reduce poverty with Productivity and incomes from occupations and livelihoods are important factors for reducing poverty. Social conditions such as health, nutrition, education and housing influence productivity, thus affecting poverty status.

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I believe that poverty is one of the most controversial issues. The fact is that there is a dilemma about who would you give a million dollars to: to a thousand poor strangers or to one native person? There is no right answer to such a question. My friend crypto millionaire likes to serve to the poor. And I think it's not right. I immediately remember the saying: do not give the poor a fish, but teach him to fish, because then he will be full all his life.

While you are indeed right about that, there is nothing wrong with what your friend is trying to do because serving the poor literally much better than doing nothing, the fact that he is a millionaire doesn't mean that he's the only one that is entitled to help the poor because you too mate have the power to help them. You might not have the resources to help them financially but I'm quite sure that you can teach them how to fish, right?
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July 17, 2023, 12:44:27 PM
Poverty depends on its perspective.

The inability to help yourself in a needed situation is as poor of poverty.

The state of incompetent to tackle your challenges is as poor of poverty.

An ignorantic manner is as poor of poverty.

Your position of low less ness is as poor of poverty.

The level of your lack of knowledge is as poor of poverty and  the height of your lack to fit in to purchase a primary or essential need is as being poor of poverty.

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July 17, 2023, 11:22:38 AM
Doesn’t seem like right to say it but in the modern age, having no money is definitely sign of poverty. Things are so costly that you can’t keep up with the basic needs also. The food and water which should have been the easy to get stuff is now on the shelves costing 5-10x higher than the base price. In the name of quality and brands we eat food at higher rates.

Why? Because wealthy people have no issue buying it because they can afford it and they are rich because they have money. If you just compare above statement with the definition of poverty then you got my point. Sad but true.
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July 17, 2023, 09:54:37 AM
Some people do rely on money to get something, but for those of us who live in rural areas not all needs have to rely on money because some of their farmers can produce daily necessities without having to buy something, so poverty cannot be measured from money because many rich people already have everything but happiness they cannot feel and their lives are far from poor, Then we cannot measure poverty because of money.

The farmer will still not be able to provide himself with everything he needs, he will need to buy food that he does not grow himself, because it is impossible to grow everything on his own. A modern person gets used to the comfort when you can come to the supermarket and buy everything you need in one place, we get used to it and it becomes difficult to do without it. Working on a farm is hard work, not everyone is able to endure it, for some it is freedom, but there are not many such people in the modern world.

Farming is still a business that you need to run to gain profit, and it's not about having to eat your own crops. Before, farming was really profitable, mostly if you owned huge land, but because fertilizer got expensive, their profit was not enough. Even right now, farmers are telling their children that they don't want to inherit it because it's hard and also not profitable, which is why others are going to the city to find jobs and be able to provide for their families.
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July 17, 2023, 09:34:56 AM
Some people do rely on money to get something, but for those of us who live in rural areas not all needs have to rely on money because some of their farmers can produce daily necessities without having to buy something, so poverty cannot be measured from money because many rich people already have everything but happiness they cannot feel and their lives are far from poor, Then we cannot measure poverty because of money.

The farmer will still not be able to provide himself with everything he needs, he will need to buy food that he does not grow himself, because it is impossible to grow everything on his own. A modern person gets used to the comfort when you can come to the supermarket and buy everything you need in one place, we get used to it and it becomes difficult to do without it. Working on a farm is hard work, not everyone is able to endure it, for some it is freedom, but there are not many such people in the modern world.
True, financial success is not everything. A lot of folks are happier living off the grid and with little amenities. In a way, it's like returning to our origin. Not all is rosy, though. One cannot cultivate or manufacture all things. You'll need either a lot of cash or a really effective trading strategy to accomplish it.

Some city dwellers may long for a more rural existence, one with less noise and more peace. In any case, let's be sincere: it's not easy! Some people just don't have what it takes. Picture yourself chasing after chickens all day instead of picking some up at the supermarket. Sure, perspective is crucial, but that's up to you. While for some it's a liberating experience, for others it's a draining one. What is liberty to one is imprisonment to another.
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July 17, 2023, 09:32:27 AM
I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?
Poverty was born out of a currency-based society, you're basically talking about people who are well-off to provide for themselves, which ironically was still achieved through surprise-surprise, purchase of land for your agrarian argument, and whatever leverage for everything else. Now you might be asking, what of the people who moved to rural areas then? Well they moved cause stuff was cheaper in the countryside, and that once again, was brought about by the argument of money. Funny how you mentioned the COVID-19 Pandemic too, cause that's basically what poor people had to live with for most of their lives, not being able to buy anything and go anywhere, stuck in their dilapidated houses cause they're either unemployed, laid-off, or they couldn't acquire employment for whatever reason. You only think they are able to get by because everyone's in the same boat but honestly speaking, especially in the Philippines the poor people during the pandemic had it worse.

it's fine to think that people could live without money, however, be careful not to discredit the struggles that people who live in poverty face on a daily basis all so you could prove that "poverty is not just about money".
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July 17, 2023, 09:08:25 AM
That's true if a number of things are fulfilled, such as having a place to live (a house), access to education, health and daily basic needs, then the social status can be said to be not poor. Conversely, if access to these things is not fulfilled, a social gap will be created which will end up in poverty. In a broader definition of poverty, money plays an important role to improve social status and can provide access to opportunities and can be used for self-development.

I think even though poverty is often generalized by not having money. There are several other factors such as not having access to education, health, and business opportunities which can also be called poverty. By managing finances well and working hard, we can avoid poverty, of course it's not easy, but it's an obligation for every individual to improve the standard of living in society.

Yes, that what I was trying to said earlier. Poverty is not only consider when individua have no money but ''there are several other factors such as not having access to education, health, and business opportunities which can also be called poverty''. There are several types of poverty in society one when individual are unable to buy the basic necessities of life and cannot give them quality of life which are otherwise considered normal in a society. And in other hand Absolute poverty refers to the situation where a person’s total earnings are not enough to afford basic material for family's needs.
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July 17, 2023, 05:31:58 AM
Some people do rely on money to get something, but for those of us who live in rural areas not all needs have to rely on money because some of their farmers can produce daily necessities without having to buy something, so poverty cannot be measured from money because many rich people already have everything but happiness they cannot feel and their lives are far from poor, Then we cannot measure poverty because of money.

The farmer will still not be able to provide himself with everything he needs, he will need to buy food that he does not grow himself, because it is impossible to grow everything on his own. A modern person gets used to the comfort when you can come to the supermarket and buy everything you need in one place, we get used to it and it becomes difficult to do without it. Working on a farm is hard work, not everyone is able to endure it, for some it is freedom, but there are not many such people in the modern world.
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July 16, 2023, 06:58:25 PM
I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.

In summary when you have everything you need to survive and you don't need money, are you poor?

In life to me when it comes to money, we have 4 categories of people. They are:
👉The poor
👉The average people
👉The rich
👉The extremely- rich

🧠🧠The poor are the people who hardly can feed themselves. They have children but can't sent them to school nor cater for their health.
🧠🧠A man that can feed himself and his family with their three daily meals and have everything to survive isn't poor or rich. He's just an average man. This is because he doesn't have excess. He only has what is needed to take care of himself and his family.
🧠🧠A man with excess things is the one to be regarded has being rich. After everything you need to survive, you still have more and more to cater for numerous people, then you are rich.
🧠🧠Lastly, we have some that are extremely- rich. The money they have can provide all basic needs for their generations even if those generations decide not to work. This type of people are extremely- rich.

CONCLUSION
Poverty as you have said earlier is the inability to provide for your basc needs. When you hardly can feed yourself not to talk of your relatives. Immediately you can provide for your basic needs then you aren't poor.
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July 16, 2023, 10:10:59 AM
Some people do rely on money to get something, but for those of us who live in rural areas not all needs have to rely on money because some of their farmers can produce daily necessities without having to buy something, so poverty cannot be measured from money because many rich people already have everything but happiness they cannot feel and their lives are far from poor, Then we cannot measure poverty because of money.
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July 16, 2023, 08:20:23 AM
We can say that poverty refers to lack of money, We can consider weather individual are able to full fill their basic needs or not. If He/she are able to full fill their family's basic needs then we cannot consider them under poverty level. Poverty is said to exist when people lack the means to satisfy their basic needs. There are several things to determine poverty like poor education, unemployment, over population etc. We can reduce poverty with Productivity and incomes from occupations and livelihoods are important factors for reducing poverty. Social conditions such as health, nutrition, education and housing influence productivity, thus affecting poverty status.

That's true if a number of things are fulfilled, such as having a place to live (a house), access to education, health and daily basic needs, then the social status can be said to be not poor. Conversely, if access to these things is not fulfilled, a social gap will be created which will end up in poverty. In a broader definition of poverty, money plays an important role to improve social status and can provide access to opportunities and can be used for self-development.

I think even though poverty is often generalized by not having money. There are several other factors such as not having access to education, health, and business opportunities which can also be called poverty. By managing finances well and working hard, we can avoid poverty, of course it's not easy, but it's an obligation for every individual to improve the standard of living in society.
Its not merely a monetary issue, but rather one of access to the possibilities, health, and education that such funds make possible. No matter how hard people try, they wont get very far without these

Its true that working hard and being responsible with money can help people get out of poverty, but calling it a "obligation" is a bit much. Problems at this level are systemic. It is the responsibility of all members of society to ensure that everyone has access to quality education, healthcare, and opportunity. Therefore, it is not enough for individuals to make an attempt; collective action is required. Responsibility, not fault, is at issue here. I've witnessed firsthand the wonder of human resiliency and the dissonance of cultural norms. It certainly provokes some deep consideration

This!! poverty is the is having no access on the mentioned examples such as health, food and education the basic needs of the person if they can't provide it then they could be consider as poor which is poverty. Of course sometimes it depends on the person itself if he's gonna exert effort for them to provide those needs. By doing work, investing or any activities that could help them even the bad ones. Still despite those efforts it's still depends on the country, if the country's governance doesn't even care on the society's issue such as the inflation that affects them. Then literally people couldn't do a thing about the poverty they'll be facing. Because I'll be honest my country is corrupt can't even do a thing about poverty.

We can say that poverty refers to lack of money, We can consider weather individual are able to full fill their basic needs or not. If He/she are able to full fill their family's basic needs then we cannot consider them under poverty level. Poverty is said to exist when people lack the means to satisfy their basic needs. There are several things to determine poverty like poor education, unemployment, over population etc. We can reduce poverty with Productivity and incomes from occupations and livelihoods are important factors for reducing poverty. Social conditions such as health, nutrition, education and housing influence productivity, thus affecting poverty status.

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I believe that poverty is one of the most controversial issues. The fact is that there is a dilemma about who would you give a million dollars to: to a thousand poor strangers or to one native person? There is no right answer to such a question. My friend crypto millionaire likes to serve to the poor. And I think it's not right. I immediately remember the saying: do not give the poor a fish, but teach him to fish, because then he will be full all his life.

Well there's nothing wrong on our every perspective or answer in this kind of issues. You do have a point that teaching them is a good thing for them to learn how to survive. But the thing is despite the education if you really felt your life is miserable, some of them wouldn't even feel motivated to change their life. Let's be honest here, most who feel poverty are the one who's not blind into the reality. So for them they don't need to exhaust themselves when there's a triangle the ranking of rich to poor, and they are at below of the ranking. They would just accept that fate.
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July 16, 2023, 08:18:53 AM

Obviously poverty has a broad meaning, but if we compare poverty in the city and poverty in the village, I would say that poverty can be reduced because the village relies more on natural products. I would emphasize primary needs here, which include food, clothing and shelter as well as education.
But in education I think we can still get it as long as there is a will, because the government is now making many policies that make it easier for someone to access education. However, if a person does not have the drive within himself, he will not use the programs carried out by the government.
Poverty does have a broad meaning and each region has its own classification in assessing poverty, of course it is a different matter when comparing people who are called poor in the city and people who are called poor in the province but we can draw both of them into one direction as unable to fulfill all their basic needs, for example in terms of food, more or less they will definitely get food and in fact the poor in cities can still live as well as in the provinces, in education it is the same, because if the government has a free education program it can be accessed even with general education intake, so the poor can only fulfill their primary needs with the money they have, and even then they are still lacking both in cities and in provinces.
The problem that often occurs when talking about poverty is when it is treated slightly differently.
Actually, things like this are common knowledge if you look at some conditions where people who are in a lower standard of living are treated a lot differently and this almost covers all points not only about attitudes but sometimes to facilities.
In addition, I don't know what it is like in other countries but looking at the conditions and examples for my own country there are a lot of policies that should benefit the poor such as some assistance in the form of food or money instead of things like this that make this a big question because some unscrupulous officials who act like mafia with almost related networks cut the existing budget which makes this even more difficult when talking about poverty.
I think this will be too far and may come out of the context of the actual discussion, but yes it affects poverty on poverty in the area, and may be worse because of the cheating games of the officials.


We can say that poverty refers to lack of money, We can consider weather individual are able to full fill their basic needs or not. If He/she are able to full fill their family's basic needs then we cannot consider them under poverty level. Poverty is said to exist when people lack the means to satisfy their basic needs. There are several things to determine poverty like poor education, unemployment, over population etc. We can reduce poverty with Productivity and incomes from occupations and livelihoods are important factors for reducing poverty. Social conditions such as health, nutrition, education and housing influence productivity, thus affecting poverty status.

Actually, at the beginning it was mentioned about poverty that is a shortage of money or not? of course not, because this can be seen from various sides, and if this is viewed subjectively, that person can say that I am not poor because I can still live to this day and do not feel lacking even though we can see from the outside that he has many shortcomings.
And if seen objectively like the points you mentioned, of course not wrong either because it is standardization in assessing poverty in someone.
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