Is Roshtein fake money streamer or not? - page 4.

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Quote from: I794 on November 19, 2022, 02:25:10 PM

Guys, what u think about it?

I am sure in 101% that he plays fake money, but a lot of friends of mine - said the opposite.

After twitch banned stake and other casinos, he deleted all videos and dont even stream anymore, so its 100% proof they he had deal with stake and use free money to play, what do u think?

https://youtu.be/9X5eSMS_Uow

I think you need to check your because I have had about him before and I believe he is a smart gambler with some skills when playing bets. Although it is too obvious that most of the these streamers are mostly linked a casino that pays them some percentages for their streaming lifestyle. You can check many of his videos so you can have more convictions.

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Quote from: crzy on November 21, 2022, 05:31:19 PM

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AFAİK, Roshtein like other slot streamers have special contract with gambling platforms to promote the casino and they get only some percentage of winnings back. Depending on contact conditions, some streamers like Trainwreckstv are paid over mln dollar per contract. Undoubtedly Roshtein has used balance funded by Stake team, otherwise he should be billionaire spinning slots with $2500 per round.

Streamers are taking advantage of their followers, so most probably most of them already have contract with the site but after this recent update with Twitch, maybe the site terminated the contract and to avoid any further promotions, that streamer deleted all the videos to be fair for both parties. Well, what can we expect from the streamer? Most of them are doing it for money you’re lucky enough if you see real streamer and not the biased streamer.

No streamers will stream for free so its undeniable that they do that for money. And they just smart guy using their influence to gain more money, but what most important for their followers is not to take much what those streamers doing since if they live on fantasy that they can earn huge money because they could mess around. Streamers are doing there job and that is to make money also to became more famous in the industry so that more promotion will come to them.

Latest twitch updates hurt them really bas but I guess they can find ways to continue their business and they will just find alternative platform to do that.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on November 20, 2022, 02:45:25 PM

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I don't feel like Train is 100% honest man. Sure, he might use his own money, but if he is 100% reimbursed then he isn't really risking anything. It would be much different if he was not reimbursed for all of his losses. I don't think he would sit back max betting for 3 days high on drugs if he was incurring the losses.

He plays with his own money, that's a fact, but he get a huge amount from the casino just by promoting it, i don't doubt he is one of the guys with the bigger pay check each month because his streams are for long periods, and apart from the deal with the casino for sure he gets another huge income from the affiliates. So, he can lose some millions but that doesn't mean bankruptcy for him.

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Most gambling streamers are paid every stream, so there is a possibility that Roshtein has the same deal as the others that are doing the said content on their channels. You simply won't down a lot of money in something that you are endorsing, because that is counter-intuitive. Instead, you'll want to get money from that endorsement while creating content for them. That is the most logical thing to do, and it would be no surprise if this is the case. They just want to show you how 'good' it is to play on these platforms, but they don't want to put their money on the line—especially if they are known personalities already.

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AFAİK, Roshtein like other slot streamers have special contract with gambling platforms to promote the casino and they get only some percentage of winnings back. Depending on contact conditions, some streamers like Trainwreckstv are paid over mln dollar per contract. Undoubtedly Roshtein has used balance funded by Stake team, otherwise he should be billionaire spinning slots with $2500 per round.

Streamers are taking advantage of their followers, so most probably most of them already have contract with the site but after this recent update with Twitch, maybe the site terminated the contract and to avoid any further promotions, that streamer deleted all the videos to be fair for both parties. Well, what can we expect from the streamer? Most of them are doing it for money you’re lucky enough if you see real streamer and not the biased streamer.

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I don't follow the guy but if it's about streaming gambling contents. It's the same as the crypto contents that don't believe whatever they're playing with and advertise.

They're all for the views and that's common in the streaming community because they just want to get all the views from everywhere that they can.

But whether it's real or fake if he's been entertaining a lot, that's one of his goals why he's streaming aside from making money from gambling and from the stream he do.

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Quote from: dimonstration on November 20, 2022, 07:50:22 AM

I don’t understand exactly what’s the importance of determining whether the streamer is using real money or fake because it’s his personal deal to the casino and has no responsibility to disclose to us there deal just to satisfy our curiosity. There’s no benefits for us to pursue this curiosity since they probably have NDA before they become partnered streamer.

You enjoy his stream and that’s the most important thing. You don’t risk any money on the guy so just move on.

I can't agree with your opinion. It's not just his personal deal because he promotes the casino with his streams. Have you ever heard of the term false advertising? Promoting a casino with fake money gambling streams without being upfront about it is deceptive and in most cases illegal.

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Watching the documentary video about Roshtein, I can only conclude that Roshtein is hiding information about where he got his fund. He never shows his deposit history and one possible solid evidence is when he turns on the demo game. The balance should be around 10k demo money but it shows his real account balance. Though the casino is fast enough to say it was a glitch but I don't buy it. So I tend to believe that Rostein is playing with fake money.

The video makes sense that gambling regularly can deplete our money even though we have a huge win from time to time. Roshtein doesn't only gambling regularly but always have a very long session almost every day. If his fund isn't sponsored, then I believe he will never maintain such gambling activities.

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I think the casino (Stake.com) that paid him to stream, has paused his payment... and might even re-negotiate their affiliate contracts after this ban. Look at this from the casinos perspective.... on Twitch, Rosh and Train had loads of subscribers and now suddenly all those subscribers are gone.

So the Streamer has to start from the bottom to build up a new subscriber base on a new platform to assist him or her to re-negotiate for a new contract. In any way, I think Stake.com must stop with all the funding to fake streamers and concentrate on funding the development of their infrastructure (Servers/bandwidth & Sports book) and improving their player experience.

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Most streamers are fake without any doubt, so Roshtein can be one too. There are casinos which offers different benefits for streamers. Foe example, one casino offer a fake balance for the streamer and require X amount of wagering. After wagering requirement is filled, streamer gets a % from the remaining balance.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on November 20, 2022, 02:45:25 PM

Most of the streamers used to play with fake money, and their income was the Subs, Donations, and the Deal with the Casino. And Roshtein was one of those fake money streamers.

For me the most legit streamer is Trainwreckstv, he used to play with his own money, and is one of the most popular high rollers, he even have a video explaining the Roshtein fake money stream, it worth to give a view to the video to understand the full gambling situation.

Trainwreckstv Explains Roshtein Beef Fake Money vs Real Money
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiFN3liLSfI

I don't feel like Train is 100% honest man. Sure, he might use his own money, but if he is 100% reimbursed then he isn't really risking anything. It would be much different if he was not reimbursed for all of his losses. I don't think he would sit back max betting for 3 days high on drugs if he was incurring the losses.

Another big thing about streamers is almost all of the big guys didn't get popular from slots. Most of them were/are COD, league of Legends, or some other gamer. They built up a huge following gaming and used that as a gateway into a slots deal. (nothing wrong with that, just an interesting fact)

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Quote from: I794 on November 19, 2022, 02:25:10 PM

After twitch banned stake and other casinos, he deleted all videos and dont even stream anymore, so its 100% proof they he had deal with stake and use free money to play, what do u think?

Most of the streamer have their own secret contract with the site, some are playing with the money from the site and maybe he deleted all the videos because he is not being paid anymore, or maybe Twitch deleted the video. Well, if you are going to watch other streamers they are very open if the money is sponsored or not, we can’t fully trust them just enjoy watching the game and learn some from them, streamer serve their purpose for their own benefits.

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Quote from: I794 on November 19, 2022, 02:25:10 PM

Guys, what u think about it?

I am sure in 101% that he plays fake money, but a lot of friends of mine - said the opposite.

After twitch banned stake and other casinos, he deleted all videos and dont even stream anymore, so its 100% proof they he had deal with stake and use free money to play, what do u think?

I would say this sort of thing is good evidence but unless you have the contract he signed as evidence then you will never be sure. You can make all the accusations you want and make some very astute observations, but due to the very nature of the gambling industry (much like any other gaming industry), it is impossible to back it up. In theory, if some regulatory body in his country had adequate suspicions and wanted to prosecute him for breaking some subversive advertising law, then they too would find it hard to prove a case but at least they could dig into things like financial records or build a real court case against him. As it is, you'll never know and should just ignore such clearly biased people.

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Quote from: dimonstration on November 20, 2022, 07:50:22 AM

I don’t understand exactly what’s the importance of determining whether the streamer is using real money or fake because it’s his personal deal to the casino and has no responsibility to disclose to us there deal just to satisfy our curiosity. There’s no benefits for us to pursue this curiosity since they probably have NDA before they become partnered streamer.

You enjoy his stream and that’s the most important thing. You don’t risk any money on the guy so just move on.

Lolz, if you think this have no negative effect on the gamblers, then this is your personal opinion, several gamblers, like the new ones, are deceived into gambling away monies they can not afford to lose through those fake money live streams, I think i said this in my earlier comment in the first page.
Many gamblers out don't there don't know what this streamers do, and it affects them in a negative way, it's not about being curious, it's about looking after one another, gamblers commits suicides, some die because of depression of loosing big amount of money they could not afford to lose, simply because they watched a live stream and how the streamer won big money from his big stake, they too go out of their way to stake big hoping to win the same way the streamer won, not knowing that the streamer is not gambling with real money.

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Quote from: I794 on November 19, 2022, 02:25:10 PM

Guys, what u think about it?

I am sure in 101% that he plays fake money, but a lot of friends of mine - said the opposite.

After twitch banned stake and other casinos, he deleted all videos and dont even stream anymore, so its 100% proof they he had deal with stake and use free money to play, what do u think?

Unless the streamer himself comes up clean and tells his fans about the source of his funds we will most likely not know for sure the truth about this matter, however it is to be expected that any streamer which does this regularly is either a gambling addict with a lot of money to burn already or he is being sponsored by a casino to stream, especially if they only gamble at a single casino, and taking into account what I know about those streamers the latter seems like the most likely option.

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Quote from: dimonstration on November 20, 2022, 07:50:22 AM

I don’t understand exactly what’s the importance of determining whether the streamer is using real money or fake because it’s his personal deal to the casino and has no responsibility to disclose to us there deal just to satisfy our curiosity. There’s no benefits for us to pursue this curiosity since they probably have NDA before they become partnered streamer.

You enjoy his stream and that’s the most important thing. You don’t risk any money on the guy so just move on.

It's not a matter of curiosity, it's a matter of advertising a casino in a fake and misleading way. Young people and people who don't know gambling can think it's easy to win big amounts when they watch those streams, while it's very hard actually, and they could lose critical amount of money and even becoming addict by chasing those big wins. If streamers don't want to admit they are playing with sponsored money, they should at least recall the total money spent each time they get a big win. In a fair, honest and responsible spirit.

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Most of the streamers used to play with fake money, and their income was the Subs, Donations, and the Deal with the Casino. And Roshtein was one of those fake money streamers.

For me the most legit streamer is Trainwreckstv, he used to play with his own money, and is one of the most popular high rollers, he even have a video explaining the Roshtein fake money stream, it worth to give a view to the video to understand the full gambling situation.

Trainwreckstv Explains Roshtein Beef Fake Money vs Real Money
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiFN3liLSfI

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Most of these streamers make their living by promoting gambling websites and streaming games with fake money. Every streamer makes their own agreements with their sponsors, but in general, they will get a percentage of the money that comes in from their subscribers paying. Some streamers might receive a flat rate per month, while others will only make money when they hit certain goals. However, it is important to remember that becoming a gambling streamer is a lot of work. The most popular ones spend 40+ hours a week streaming, practicing, and doing other things to stay relevant. Even if you are making thousands of dollars per month, you will still need to put in the time required to be successful.

Quote from: Bitinity on November 20, 2022, 07:12:35 AM

Is it possible to play the game with "fake" money? In my opinion, the money used by the streamers is real money, funded by the casino but the streamers has no full control over the money. They can use to play games in the casino but they are not allowed to withdraw it.

That is the definition of fake money in online gambling.

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Quote from: M1cha3lM on November 19, 2022, 04:59:04 PM

No matter who the streamer is, it's always going to be hard to prove their legitimacy unless they outright admit that they are using a fill balance or something alike.
A lot of streamers are on deals where they are paid X amount weekly/monthly and are able to gamble with this as they choose to do so, and the winnings are fully withdrawable.

Some streamers are on deals where they are given infinite refills of money every X amount of minutes or whenever their balance reaches 0, these are the streamers that personally I don't understand how users can watch them as it is as far away from the reality of gambling as you can get.

Not speaking on specific people, I think the only transparency you can hope for with crypto casino streamers is they show you them depositing and withdrawing on stream or even publicising their deposit transaction id's which users can look at themselves, as well as also showing an organic growth in terms of their bet sizes.

Depends on the streamers because there are streamers who act pretty badly and it was obvious that the money that they using is not theirs or it can be that they are using fake money/demo play but this one would be rare since it will not be enjoyable anymore to watch and the casino cant attract players that way.

Aside from the streamer that are being paid by the casino, it's also possible that the casino funds their account with huge capital but they can't withdraw this money personally and once the contract is over they will return this to the casino. Overall, it wasn't really a big deal IMO if the streamers are sponsored by a casino or not. If you don't like it then feel free to not play on that casino.

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Quote from: I794 on November 19, 2022, 02:25:10 PM

Guys, what u think about it?

I am sure in 101% that he plays fake money, but a lot of friends of mine - said the opposite.

After twitch banned stake and other casinos, he deleted all videos and dont even stream anymore, so its 100% proof they he had deal with stake and use free money to play, what do u think?

He should be transparent about it. The fact that we have suspicions is very telling.

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