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April 04, 2016, 10:55:10 PM
#94
While many in main stream science claim to be atheist and believe in the Big Bang and the eventual Deep Freeze due to entropy. Is it not curious to consider that the very underpinnings of this belief is based on mathematics, was it too created in the big bang? if so how was it constructed? one digit at a time?

I think not it has always been there and will always remain its an eternal masterpiece that permeates every conceivable facet or reality yet in its self it is purely abstract. Without it nothing would exist, but it in itself it is nonexistent and existent at the same time. It is the language of the living universe. Its permutations are infinite, yet it did not grow, it has always been complete and eternal.          

I don't follow this. How does your statement suggest that science is a religion? How are you defining religion? A la BADecker ("Religion is anything you feel strongly about -- gods, war lawyers, that guy who cut in front of you in traffic on your way to work") or the usual way (requiring gods and belief in the supernatural etc).


Absolutely. Anything that you feel strongly enough about to make it part of your life theme, is part of your personal religion.

That's why so many atheists flock together in communications contact if not actual physical contact. Religious strength in numbers.

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Ah, ok. I'm religious in the same way you're an atheist - as a matter of definition.

To quote my previous response to you:

Same logic as your definition of atheism as a religion:

If science is religion, you're an atheist. How can you tell? There are thousands of religions and many more gods that exist (with our without followers today), and we can realistically expect that in our prehistoric past that there have been many times this number. Yet you believe in only one.

One definition of an atheist is that it is someone who does not believe in gods. To believe in only one of thousands of gods means that you're 99.9% atheist.

Therefore you are approximately an atheist, and as the number of gods that have ever been claimed to exist approaches infinity, your atheism approaches 100%.



When a group of people get together to design a car, they all have to be on the same page. If they are not, the pistons won't fit the cylinders. The windows won't fit the holes made for them. The wiring will be all mixed up.

The point, and the fault of your thinking? The universe is so extremely complex that God must be One. If He weren't, it wouldn't have worked from the get-go.

Sometimes parts of a new car model don't fit together. The car has to go back to the drawing board until all the engineers and builders get on the same page. But there is one guy/gal who okays the new car. And it better be right this time, or heads will roll.

There is One God. The devil was the engineer who engineered imperfection in the universe. And he did it intentionally. He will be gone regarding the new universe... fired, so to speak.

People believe in many gods. Many people mistakenly believe wrong things about the only God. It looks like there are many gods. But there is only one real God.

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No, you've totally missed the point. I don't care about how many gods you think there are, just that there have been many claimed to exist and you (and other monotheists) claim that only one is real, and if that's the case then my point stands.

The logical error --  the "fault of thinking", if you will --  that I demonstrate here is an example of what happens taking a very narrow definition of a word and then attempt to generalise it beyond what the acceptable definition of that word is -- much as you do for the word "religion".


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April 04, 2016, 09:09:51 PM
#93
While many in main stream science claim to be atheist and believe in the Big Bang and the eventual Deep Freeze due to entropy. Is it not curious to consider that the very underpinnings of this belief is based on mathematics, was it too created in the big bang? if so how was it constructed? one digit at a time?

I think not it has always been there and will always remain its an eternal masterpiece that permeates every conceivable facet or reality yet in its self it is purely abstract. Without it nothing would exist, but it in itself it is nonexistent and existent at the same time. It is the language of the living universe. Its permutations are infinite, yet it did not grow, it has always been complete and eternal.          

I don't follow this. How does your statement suggest that science is a religion? How are you defining religion? A la BADecker ("Religion is anything you feel strongly about -- gods, war lawyers, that guy who cut in front of you in traffic on your way to work") or the usual way (requiring gods and belief in the supernatural etc).


Absolutely. Anything that you feel strongly enough about to make it part of your life theme, is part of your personal religion.

That's why so many atheists flock together in communications contact if not actual physical contact. Religious strength in numbers.

Cool

Ah, ok. I'm religious in the same way you're an atheist - as a matter of definition.

To quote my previous response to you:

Same logic as your definition of atheism as a religion:

If science is religion, you're an atheist. How can you tell? There are thousands of religions and many more gods that exist (with our without followers today), and we can realistically expect that in our prehistoric past that there have been many times this number. Yet you believe in only one.

One definition of an atheist is that it is someone who does not believe in gods. To believe in only one of thousands of gods means that you're 99.9% atheist.

Therefore you are approximately an atheist, and as the number of gods that have ever been claimed to exist approaches infinity, your atheism approaches 100%.



When a group of people get together to design a car, they all have to be on the same page. If they are not, the pistons won't fit the cylinders. The windows won't fit the holes made for them. The wiring will be all mixed up.

The point, and the fault of your thinking? The universe is so extremely complex that God must be One. If He weren't, it wouldn't have worked from the get-go.

Sometimes parts of a new car model don't fit together. The car has to go back to the drawing board until all the engineers and builders get on the same page. But there is one guy/gal who okays the new car. And it better be right this time, or heads will roll.

There is One God. The devil was the engineer who engineered imperfection in the universe. And he did it intentionally. He will be gone regarding the new universe... fired, so to speak.

People believe in many gods. Many people mistakenly believe wrong things about the only God. It looks like there are many gods. But there is only one real God.

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April 04, 2016, 08:48:31 PM
#92
I have always found Scientology to be a mock religion (a scam of sorts)/ fake religion. I never actually under why considering science to be a religion. It's more of a basic physical understanding of nature and physics.
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April 04, 2016, 08:38:28 PM
#91
While many in main stream science claim to be atheist and believe in the Big Bang and the eventual Deep Freeze due to entropy. Is it not curious to consider that the very underpinnings of this belief is based on mathematics, was it too created in the big bang? if so how was it constructed? one digit at a time?

I think not it has always been there and will always remain its an eternal masterpiece that permeates every conceivable facet or reality yet in its self it is purely abstract. Without it nothing would exist, but it in itself it is nonexistent and existent at the same time. It is the language of the living universe. Its permutations are infinite, yet it did not grow, it has always been complete and eternal.          

I don't follow this. How does your statement suggest that science is a religion? How are you defining religion? A la BADecker ("Religion is anything you feel strongly about -- gods, war lawyers, that guy who cut in front of you in traffic on your way to work") or the usual way (requiring gods and belief in the supernatural etc).


Absolutely. Anything that you feel strongly enough about to make it part of your life theme, is part of your personal religion.

That's why so many atheists flock together in communications contact if not actual physical contact. Religious strength in numbers.

Cool

Ah, ok. I'm religious in the same way you're an atheist - as a matter of definition.

To quote my previous response to you:

Same logic as your definition of atheism as a religion:

If science is religion, you're an atheist. How can you tell? There are thousands of religions and many more gods that exist (with our without followers today), and we can realistically expect that in our prehistoric past that there have been many times this number. Yet you believe in only one.

One definition of an atheist is that it is someone who does not believe in gods. To believe in only one of thousands of gods means that you're 99.9% atheist.

Therefore you are approximately an atheist, and as the number of gods that have ever been claimed to exist approaches infinity, your atheism approaches 100%.

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April 04, 2016, 08:23:46 PM
#90
While many in main stream science claim to be atheist and believe in the Big Bang and the eventual Deep Freeze due to entropy. Is it not curious to consider that the very underpinnings of this belief is based on mathematics, was it too created in the big bang? if so how was it constructed? one digit at a time?

I think not it has always been there and will always remain its an eternal masterpiece that permeates every conceivable facet or reality yet in its self it is purely abstract. Without it nothing would exist, but it in itself it is nonexistent and existent at the same time. It is the language of the living universe. Its permutations are infinite, yet it did not grow, it has always been complete and eternal.          

I don't follow this. How does your statement suggest that science is a religion? How are you defining religion? A la BADecker ("Religion is anything you feel strongly about -- gods, war lawyers, that guy who cut in front of you in traffic on your way to work") or the usual way (requiring gods and belief in the supernatural etc).


Absolutely. Anything that you feel strongly enough about to make it part of your life theme, is part of your personal religion.

That's why so many atheists flock together in communications contact if not actual physical contact. Religious strength in numbers.

Cool
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April 04, 2016, 07:20:15 PM
#89
I am catholic , is good and all world have o not have religion
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April 04, 2016, 06:22:35 PM
#88
While many in main stream science claim to be atheist and believe in the Big Bang and the eventual Deep Freeze due to entropy. Is it not curious to consider that the very underpinnings of this belief is based on mathematics, was it too created in the big bang? if so how was it constructed? one digit at a time?

I think not it has always been there and will always remain its an eternal masterpiece that permeates every conceivable facet or reality yet in its self it is purely abstract. Without it nothing would exist, but it in itself it is nonexistent and existent at the same time. It is the language of the living universe. Its permutations are infinite, yet it did not grow, it has always been complete and eternal.         

I don't follow this. How does your statement suggest that science is a religion? How are you defining religion? A la BADecker ("Religion is anything you feel strongly about -- gods, war lawyers, that guy who cut in front of you in traffic on your way to work") or the usual way (requiring gods and belief in the supernatural etc).
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April 04, 2016, 05:19:29 PM
#87
Who denies the science of religion. Some mystery solution is not possible without religion, science, and religion is complementary to one another. Birth gives some sense atheism of science, it is not just those who are atheists atheist it for ever, and they assert that atheism in the name of science. So there is no conflict between science and religion.

Well said. There is no conflict between science and religion.

But, you need to remember. There is some conflict between parts of religion and parts of science. After all, the atheism religion believes a lot of things that are not scientific, even though they may look scientific on the outside.

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April 04, 2016, 01:04:49 PM
#86
Who denies the science of religion. Some mystery solution is not possible without religion, science, and religion is complementary to one another. Birth gives some sense atheism of science, it is not just those who are atheists atheist it for ever, and they assert that atheism in the name of science. So there is no conflict between science and religion.
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April 04, 2016, 12:54:53 PM
#85
Even if you believe in the big bang theory, the who made the mass that produced the planets?  Did it just appear on its own or did someone create it?  I don't think we can answer those kinds of questions.
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April 04, 2016, 12:19:14 PM
#84
While many in main stream science claim to be atheist and believe in the Big Bang and the eventual Deep Freeze due to entropy. Is it not curious to consider that the very underpinnings of this belief is based on mathematics, was it too created in the big bang? if so how was it constructed? one digit at a time?

I think not it has always been there and will always remain its an eternal masterpiece that permeates every conceivable facet or reality yet in its self it is purely abstract. Without it nothing would exist, but it in itself it is nonexistent and existent at the same time. It is the language of the living universe. Its permutations are infinite, yet it did not grow, it has always been complete and eternal.         
its not religion,but mostly near to called like religion,the matters that science never called religion because all religion are have science in their view,islam,cristian,katholik,they have expert in science world.

... and people who are too lazy or ignorant about how to use spell checkers... or are trying to hide who they really are by changing their language style.

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April 04, 2016, 12:12:53 PM
#83
While many in main stream science claim to be atheist and believe in the Big Bang and the eventual Deep Freeze due to entropy. Is it not curious to consider that the very underpinnings of this belief is based on mathematics, was it too created in the big bang? if so how was it constructed? one digit at a time?

I think not it has always been there and will always remain its an eternal masterpiece that permeates every conceivable facet or reality yet in its self it is purely abstract. Without it nothing would exist, but it in itself it is nonexistent and existent at the same time. It is the language of the living universe. Its permutations are infinite, yet it did not grow, it has always been complete and eternal.         
its not religion,but mostly near to called like religion,the matters that science never called religion because all religion are have science in their view,islam,cristian,katholik,they have expert in science world.
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April 02, 2016, 06:54:07 PM
#82
Here is a good example that shows how there can be vastly differing opinions within the scientific community, it's a very good presentation, ironically given by a bishop who highlights the growing schism between Orthodox mainstream science who feel that gravity if the fundamental driver of the universe and a new group who feel it is electricity.

Theoretical Alternatives in an Electric Universe | Space News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBWOH9Wu2c0&list=LL2SUmeAzu4qXRc5uQe4eZCw&index=2

While maths is unequivocal, how its applied is very subjective
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April 02, 2016, 01:05:45 PM
#81
In Earth's history, CO2 levels have been above 8000 PPM... we are currently at  350 PPM and worried?!?  WHY?

Maybe because the earth was very different then? And nowhere we want to go back to.

I think its a complete scam to swindle tax-payers out of $20,000,000,000 every year (that's a lot of money for a claim with such poor evidence... like religion)

So you're saying scientists that look at the evidence are all in on it? Or incompetent? Maybe the 97% isn't accurate. But the vast majority agrees with anthropogenic climate change.
Not saying your wrong but..97% might want to keep there jobs?All about the money..

But i am all for believing just in case the 97% are right..Car fumes are like smoking if we can quit then why not..

That assumes a conspiracy. That any scientist with evidence man made climate change isn't real wouldn't be hired anywhere else. Anywhere in the world. Hard to believe. Would need coordination and cooperation of too many people. And in very different countries.

It only assumes a conspiracy if you are ignorant of the facts...

The 97% claim is not based on all scientists, it is based on 73 hand-picked "climatologists"... Who are all paid by the IPCC...

It's as much of a conspiracy as asking 73 priests if they believe God exists and 97% saying yes...


The evidence for anthropogenic global warming is lacking... I do not need to prove it doesn't exist until you first prove it does exist... I am not making the positive claim and am not obliged to provide the burden of proof...

A pseudo-consensus among 73 people on your payroll does not evidence make...
In what field of science does a scientist's opinion/belief count as evidence/proof?

Why must I prove gremlins don't exist when you haven't proven your claim that they do exist?



Yep.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9604149

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April 01, 2016, 03:58:51 PM
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It only assumes a conspiracy if you are ignorant of the facts...

The 97% claim is not based on all scientists, it is based on 73 hand-picked "climatologists"... Who are all paid by the IPCC...


Source? Thought it first came from studies of scientific papers: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-determine-the-scientific-consensus-on-global-warming/ then reduced to the 97% claim. I know about polls too but not just 73 scientists. Some had thousands answering.
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April 01, 2016, 03:39:52 PM
#79
The Bible says that the whole universe is only a little over 6,000 years old.

The whole idea of a 13 or 14 billion year old universe is 100% speculation by scientists who would rather be speculators than scientists.

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Scientific theories are backed up by a body of evidence, they are not 100% speculation as you wrongly claim.
The bible is backed up by wishful thinking, which is 100% blind speculation, ie faith.

You are simply too proud and stubborn to admit the bible is wrong, which the insurmountable evidience says it is.


Oh quit picking on me, Fluffer.

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Dear oh dear, poor old BADecker and his harrowing tales of persecution.  Roll Eyes
I'm sorry the truth is such an interference for your shaky dodgy beliefs.  Cheesy

Oh make no mistake, I'm not correcting your delibrate misinformation for your benefit. I'm not silly, I know your poisoned mind has set harder than concrete and nothing I say can be it's
antidote. It's for other peoples benefit that may get sucked into your web of sticky lies.


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April 01, 2016, 03:38:50 PM
#78
according to NDT it is haha
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April 01, 2016, 03:37:56 PM
#77
In Earth's history, CO2 levels have been above 8000 PPM... we are currently at  350 PPM and worried?!?  WHY?

Maybe because the earth was very different then? And nowhere we want to go back to.

I think its a complete scam to swindle tax-payers out of $20,000,000,000 every year (that's a lot of money for a claim with such poor evidence... like religion)

So you're saying scientists that look at the evidence are all in on it? Or incompetent? Maybe the 97% isn't accurate. But the vast majority agrees with anthropogenic climate change.
Not saying your wrong but..97% might want to keep there jobs?All about the money..

But i am all for believing just in case the 97% are right..Car fumes are like smoking if we can quit then why not..

That assumes a conspiracy. That any scientist with evidence man made climate change isn't real wouldn't be hired anywhere else. Anywhere in the world. Hard to believe. Would need coordination and cooperation of too many people. And in very different countries.

It only assumes a conspiracy if you are ignorant of the facts...

The 97% claim is not based on all scientists, it is based on 73 hand-picked "climatologists"... Who are all paid by the IPCC...

It's as much of a conspiracy as asking 73 priests if they believe God exists and 97% saying yes...

The evidence for anthropogenic global warming is lacking... I do not need to prove it doesn't exist until you first prove it does exist... I am not making the positive claim and am not obliged to provide the burden of proof...

A pseudo-consensus among 73 people on your payroll does not evidence make...
In what field of science does a scientist's opinion/belief count as evidence/proof?

Why must I prove gremlins don't exist when you haven't proven your claim that they do exist?
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April 01, 2016, 03:08:12 PM
#76
It's not, but there are people that making a movement with accrediting science, I.e. Scientism. A religion is a faith based so a science will never be a religion

In the strict sense, science is not religion.

When scientists and politicians take science theory (which is not know to be fact) and state and teach that it is fact, especially when they know that it is not fact, they are creating a religion. When people believe that science theory is fact, they have a religion going for themselves.

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Theoretical scientist, does not express opinion. There data's undergo scrutiny thus making it a concrete base of evidence. Do you even know what's scientific method?

All people, even theoretical scientists, have opinions about many things.

Concrete base of evidence doesn't take evidence out of evidence status. Concrete evidence is simply evidence that is firm evidence... but it is still only evidence.

A scientific theory can have many scientific facts within it. The theory part is not the facts. The theory part is the relation between the facts, and a new idea. The facts can remain solidly facts. But the new idea is still just an idea. The strength of the combining of the facts in new idea form is what makes the idea a theory.

A few lines about the scientific method doesn't express the details of what the method is all about. Science theory is still theory, even though a lot of people try to suggest the odds of how close to fact it might be.

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April 01, 2016, 02:59:28 PM
#75
It's not, but there are people that making a movement with accrediting science, I.e. Scientism. A religion is a faith based so a science will never be a religion

In the strict sense, science is not religion.

When scientists and politicians take science theory (which is not know to be fact) and state and teach that it is fact, especially when they know that it is not fact, they are creating a religion. When people believe that science theory is fact, they have a religion going for themselves.

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Theoretical scientist does not express opinion. There data's undergo scrutiny thus making it a concrete base of evidence. Do you even know what's scientific method?
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