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newbie
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July 31, 2016, 11:18:45 AM
Yes! Of course stealing bitcoin is illegal. Still, if you find a forgotten wallet/lost wallet, it'll not be illegal. Because, owner of those bitcoin might have forgot about that.
sr. member
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July 31, 2016, 07:03:41 AM
Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
First miracle generated a new address and get Bitcoin impossible.You can said you have a bitcoin address and you get bitcoin somehow miracle.second if you get something illegally that must be illegal there is no confusion.So obviously you have to resend the bitcoin to the owner that would be good.
legendary
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July 31, 2016, 06:53:37 AM
What kind of a stupid question is that? Stealing is the root word here. I never knew stealing something would be legal.  Maybe nobody would give a fck if you Steal some shit which doesn't hold a value, but bitcoin do hold a value. And stealing is stealing. No matter what you steal, it is wrong.

It says that you don't mean to steal it and it was just an accident when you generate an address and you got the bitcoin address of someone and it has a bitcoin in it, seriously, that can't be called stealing, amount has already been there before... You are the legal owner of it if no one would claim it or if the one who own it has no proof or evidence that it is his property.

Then it should be meant as a wrong doing of the sender. Of course it aint stealing. Perhaps, the thread title should be changed to avoid confusion.
newbie
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July 31, 2016, 06:52:13 AM
I can't say that your situation is stealing of bitcoin. Cause of stealing is doing something illegal for purpose. And in your case it was without purpose it's just happen like that.

It's not a secret anymore, because it is detrimental to the owner of the bitcoin. Something illegal is something that everyone can do harm or not get recognition from everyone
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July 31, 2016, 06:43:28 AM
What kind of a stupid question is that? Stealing is the root word here. I never knew stealing something would be legal.  Maybe nobody would give a fck if you Steal some shit which doesn't hold a value, but bitcoin do hold a value. And stealing is stealing. No matter what you steal, it is wrong.

It says that you don't mean to steal it and it was just an accident when you generate an address and you got the bitcoin address of someone and it has a bitcoin in it, seriously, that can't be called stealing, amount has already been there before... You are the legal owner of it if no one would claim it or if the one who own it has no proof or evidence that it is his property.
sr. member
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July 31, 2016, 06:29:30 AM
I can't say that your situation is stealing of bitcoin. Cause of stealing is doing something illegal for purpose. And in your case it was without purpose it's just happen like that.
legendary
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July 31, 2016, 06:15:14 AM
What kind of a stupid question is that? Stealing is the root word here. I never knew stealing something would be legal.  Maybe nobody would give a fck if you Steal some shit which doesn't hold a value, but bitcoin do hold a value. And stealing is stealing. No matter what you steal, it is wrong.


It's really a stupid question indeed since how stealing can be legal? Ftw. This question can be answered by commonsense and It doesn't need logic. Stealing is illegal no matter wha you do, getting small or big amounts is still the same. Getting someones possesion without authority from the owner is considered already as stealing and it's not a good thing.
newbie
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July 31, 2016, 04:33:02 AM
This is some sort of stupid question, any form of stealing is illegal because it harms other people.
legendary
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July 31, 2016, 04:29:54 AM
What kind of a stupid question is that? Stealing is the root word here. I never knew stealing something would be legal.  Maybe nobody would give a fck if you Steal some shit which doesn't hold a value, but bitcoin do hold a value. And stealing is stealing. No matter what you steal, it is wrong.
legendary
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July 31, 2016, 04:23:37 AM
Very interesting question.
Of course, whatever someone still it should be illegal.
Real question here is if you really can report it to the4 authorities.
First, for example, in my country Bitcoin is not recognized as money or financial asset.
So, how I can report that someone stole my Bitcoin if authorities don't see it as real money or asset, but just something virtual, without any value?
It seems, if someone stole your Bitcoin, there is nothing you can do.
legendary
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July 31, 2016, 03:59:10 AM
It should be illegal because it has value and if it is taken out of the possession of someone that is robbery

I read a story on here last week saying that the judge threw out a case because it involved bitcoin and therefore was not viewed as a real currency so no charges could be laid.

That there tells you how the judicial system views any transaction donewith bitcoin as non-existent in the world.

IMO that was just one particular case. How the judicial system views  any transaction done with bitcoin depends on the lawers and on the laws in a particular country. Stealing Bitocin is illegal and even creating a ponzi scheme involving Bitcoin is illegal too.
hero member
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July 31, 2016, 03:49:36 AM
I think stealing bitcoin is illegal. It is illegal because even if you are anonymous, there's no law that says you can steal bitcoin from other bitcoin users. Those who do steal bitcoin are brave to steal other's bitcoin. Stealing money is illegal so I think stealing bitcoin is illegal too since since it is also a currency it is just digital.
legendary
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July 31, 2016, 03:10:37 AM
It should be illegal because it has value and if it is taken out of the possession of someone that is robbery

Theft is theft; of course stealing Bitcoin is illegal. But there are more interesting questions here. Like, for example: How can you prove that someone stole your bitcoins?

Let's say that someone found your unencrypted paper wallet and stole your bitcoin, moving them to an address he controls. Now, you might be able to prove that someone is spending your coins, and you might even be able to figure out who it is. But how do you prove that you didn't send them the coins intentionally (and aren't trying to fraudulently get them back)? How do you prove that you are the only person who controls that private key and therefore are the rightful owner?

I don't think these questions have precedence yet. It will be interesting to see how courts deal with this in the future.


I do also think what you are trying to state. Thats suppose  to be the hardest case if ever they would handle since  its really hard to trace or prove something  that are actually  involves anonymity. Court would definitely pass this kind of things instead i think.  Grin
twa
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July 31, 2016, 02:36:15 AM
Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.

i think that not matter what you steal, if you steal it is illegal. Same happens with bitcoins, even if you would be that lucky to create address with bitcoins in it
hero member
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July 31, 2016, 02:34:57 AM
It should be illegal because it has value and if it is taken out of the possession of someone that is robbery

I read a story on here last week saying that the judge threw out a case because it involved bitcoin and therefore was not viewed as a real currency so no charges could be laid.

That there tells you how the judicial system views any transaction done with bitcoin as non-existent in the world.
Yeah its illegal if you still bitcoin because its a bad idea to do to other people you will get a bad karma in your life.
Bitcoins is just like a money so you the case in the law will be the same..
No that is not what I said. I said that the court of law does not view bitcoin the same as money. They THREW OUT that case when someone was saying that they got their bitcoin stolen from them.
That means the defendant LOST THE CASE IN COURT.
Comprende Roll Eyes
i think that Bitcoin is not actually a thing in law at the moment unless you count it as your intellectual property somehow. If you played a game like Rust and someone robbed your money or food etc could you press charges?.
The law is blind in areas that it hasn't gotten round to addressing, this could be one of them.
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July 30, 2016, 06:47:35 PM
It should be illegal because it has value and if it is taken out of the possession of someone that is robbery

Theft is theft; of course stealing Bitcoin is illegal. But there are more interesting questions here. Like, for example: How can you prove that someone stole your bitcoins?

Let's say that someone found your unencrypted paper wallet and stole your bitcoin, moving them to an address he controls. Now, you might be able to prove that someone is spending your coins, and you might even be able to figure out who it is. But how do you prove that you didn't send them the coins intentionally (and aren't trying to fraudulently get them back)? How do you prove that you are the only person who controls that private key and therefore are the rightful owner?

I don't think these questions have precedence yet. It will be interesting to see how courts deal with this in the future.
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July 30, 2016, 06:43:45 PM
It should be illegal because it has value and if it is taken out of the possession of someone that is robbery

I read a story on here last week saying that the judge threw out a case because it involved bitcoin and therefore was not viewed as a real currency so no charges could be laid.

That there tells you how the judicial system views any transaction done with bitcoin as non-existent in the world.
Yeah its illegal if you still bitcoin because its a bad idea to do to other people you will get a bad karma in your life.
Bitcoins is just like a money so you the case in the law will be the same..
No that is not what I said. I said that the court of law does not view bitcoin the same as money. They THREW OUT that case when someone was saying that they got their bitcoin stolen from them.
That means the defendant LOST THE CASE IN COURT.
Comprende Roll Eyes
hero member
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July 30, 2016, 06:27:15 PM
It should be illegal because it has value and if it is taken out of the possession of someone that is robbery

I read a story on here last week saying that the judge threw out a case because it involved bitcoin and therefore was not viewed as a real currency so no charges could be laid.

That there tells you how the judicial system views any transaction done with bitcoin as non-existent in the world.
Yeah its illegal if you still bitcoin because its a bad idea to do to other people you will get a bad karma in your life.
Bitcoins is just like a money so you the case in the law will be the same..
hero member
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EtherSphere - Social Games
July 30, 2016, 06:15:31 PM
It should be illegal because it has value and if it is taken out of the possession of someone that is robbery

I read a story on here last week saying that the judge threw out a case because it involved bitcoin and therefore was not viewed as a real currency so no charges could be laid.

That there tells you how the judicial system views any transaction done with bitcoin as non-existent in the world.
legendary
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July 30, 2016, 05:39:24 PM
Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
for me it is the opposite,i generate a new address that has probably not been used on the network yet, and sent a small amount of 1mbtc to this address unfortunately I saw him disappear from my account after a few seconds.
I don't care whether it's legal or not but I consider the persone ho spend them as a robber

You're right, a robber is a robber no matter what he stole. Even if it's a pillow or a feather he found in my garden. It's stealing. And this has to be illegal everywhere, we don't need a law for hamburgers in case someone steals $1k worth of hamburgers from you..
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