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Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
Yes, the ones Obama is eager to drop in anyone's lap, including the Afghans themselves... the afghan army doing the security of Afghanistan, against the war lords, the drug traders and the Taliban...

I don't believe Obama believes that we believed that he believes that this is going to happen.
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The US had all necessary justifications to send troops to Ukraine, since they signed in 1994 an agreement (as Russia) given assurances to the integrity of Ukraine. They didn't.

It's more than clear that the US doesn't want any war with Russia. It has already his hands full with the hot potatoes that Bush junior left.


Oh, you mean the ones that The Chosen One continues?
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I'm sorry but Wikipedia says otherwise:

I don't trust Wikipedia, because I have first hand experience with it. I was an active member of Wikipedia until 2011, and was forced to quit because I opposed to paid editing in certain sections. So rather than posting the Wikipedia articles, give me some reliable source for the IRG involvement.
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Aren't we getting slightly off topic?  Wink
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After the 1979 upheaval of the Pahlavi Dynasty by the Islamic Revolution, the system was greatly altered. The legal code is now based on Shi'a Islamic law or sharia, although many aspects of civil law have been retained, and it is integrated into a civil law legal system

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Again, Iran doesn't use sharia law. This state uses a set of laws, which were passed by legislative body, called Islamic Consultative Assembly. Members of legislative body are elected through national voting. And nobody cares what writers of article on Wikipedia are thinking about that.  Of course almost 100% of MPs are muslims, that's why their law is similar to proposed by sharia system, but this doesn't mean that they're using sharia law.

Classic islamic states are proposed to use sharia law directly and any modification or interpretation of law by people is strictly prohibited. Only clergymen are allowed to do this.

You have to bring forward something more substantial than mere words. You deny Wikipedia and its sources the authority. Ok then, but how can I consider your words authoritative as well? Cool

Nevertheless, here's another quote from Wikipedia on the Iranian judicial system:

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According to some Iranian officials, the judiciary of Iran does not follow Sharia law, but it is civil law ratified by the Parliament. However, all agree that multiple aspects of sharia law are observed in the legal system.

According to one source, the new laws of the Islamic Republic "modify the sharia in three significant ways."

They give the state the "ultimate say" over the death penalty by allowing a new High Court to review death sentences passed by lower magistrates." In contrast, sharia in "its pure form" had no appeals system and gave local judges final say. However, virtually all other countries using sharia law now have an appeals system. While in lesser sentences, the judges verdict would be final, in more serious crimes, the sentence could be appealed to the Provincial Appeals Court. In a capital crime, it would be appealed to the Supreme Court of Cassation. Sometimes criminals get multiple appeals that last for years, depending upon the evidence against them along with "reasonable doubt". Retrials can be ordered, typically in the same court that convicted the prisoner.

Laws allow circumstantial evidence to be used in deciding a case "under the rubric of 'the judge's reasoning.'"

Third, the legal system has introduced long-term imprisonment - which was also traditionally not used in sharia law - under 'discretionary punishment.' Traditionalist judges, however, "continue to prefer corporal punishments ..." in sentencing. In 2008, the then Head of Judiciary Ayatollah Hashemi Shahroudi (considered a moderate) asked judges to carry out more corporal punishment and less imprisonment, because "long term imprisonment is expensive, is not effective, and prevents criminals from reintegrating into society"
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After the 1979 upheaval of the Pahlavi Dynasty by the Islamic Revolution, the system was greatly altered. The legal code is now based on Shi'a Islamic law or sharia, although many aspects of civil law have been retained, and it is integrated into a civil law legal system

Any objections? Cool
Again, Iran doesn't use sharia law. This state uses a set of laws, which were passed by legislative body, called Islamic Consultative Assembly. Members of legislative body are elected through national voting. And nobody cares what writers of article on Wikipedia are thinking about that.  Of course almost 100% of MPs are muslims, that's why their law is similar to proposed by sharia system, but this doesn't mean that they're using sharia law.

Classic islamic states are proposed to use sharia law directly and any modification or interpretation of law by people is strictly prohibited. Only clergymen are allowed to do this.

P.S. It's interesting that ~8% of iranian MPs are women.
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2. Did the Ayatollah or the Iranian secret service sent any assassin to murder Rushdie? The fatwa was just a PR exercise. Rushdie was banished from Iran. That's all.

There were attempts to kill Rushdie. Whether or not the Iranian secret service prepared or ayatollahs financed these attempts (which according to your prior claims they wouldn't) still remains to seen... Cool

In any case the reward (now over 3 million dollars) has been set! Roll Eyes
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Oh, really? What about the Revolutionary Guards fighting in Syria? What about a fatwa proclaimed by Ayatollah Khomeini in 1988 requiring Salman Rushdie's execution for money reward (and which was reaffirmed by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in 2005)?  Cool

1. The revolutionary guards have no role in the Syrian conflict. The Assad government would have already won the conflict, had the revolutionary guards were on their side. They are stationed inside Iran

I'm sorry but Wikipedia says otherwise:

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Prior to the Syrian war, Iran had between 2,000 and 3,000 IRGC officers stationed in Syria, helping to train local troops and managing supply routes of arms and money to neighboring Lebanon.

General Qa`ani -Senior officer of Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution – said: “If the Islamic Republic was not present in Syria, the massacre of civilians would have been twice as bad. Had physically and non-physically stopped the rebels from killing many more among the Syrian people.”

Iranian Revolutionary Guard soldiers, along with fellow Shi'ite forces from Hezbollah and members of Iran's Basij militia participated in the capture of Qusair from rebel forces on 9 June 2013. In 2014, Iran increased its deployment of IRGC in Syria
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i don't think so. look at cold war, USA (and NATO) never invade to russia directly.
it's very dangerous to invade nuclear country. it will ignite nuclear war

Iran is declared a republic (and islamic at that), but don't let yourself get fooled by names or titles. The supreme power in Iran belongs to ayatollahs. Do you know who they are? Grin

Yes. Iran is an Islamic nation. But unlike the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, they don't splurge their money to fund the Jihadis all over the world. They never interfere in the politics of other nations.
how about hezbollah in lebanon?
they got military and financial aid from iran.
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do you feel yourself a part thereof? If so, how about the title of this thread, i.e. about West (not East) invading Russia again? Grin
You've forgot that Washington's Obkom likes to use islamic radicals to destabilize their competitors. The notable examples are first and second chechen wars shouldn't be forgotten as examples of western intervention.

You also seem to have forgotten that it was not muslims who bombed Yogoslavia. The same Europe that you consider the lesser of the two evils (society there, to be precise)... Cool
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Oh, really? What about the Revolutionary Guards fighting in Syria? What about a fatwa proclaimed by Ayatollah Khomeini in 1988 requiring Salman Rushdie's execution for money reward (and which was reaffirmed by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in 2005)?  Cool

1. The revolutionary guards have no role in the Syrian conflict. The Assad government would have already won the conflict, had the revolutionary guards were on their side. They are stationed inside Iran.

2. Did the Ayatollah or the Iranian secret service sent any assassin to murder Rushdie? The fatwa was just a PR exercise. Rushdie was banished from Iran. That's all.
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Iran is declared a republic (and islamic at that), but don't let yourself get fooled by names or titles. The supreme power in Iran belongs to ayatollahs. Do you know who they are? Grin

Yes. Iran is an Islamic nation. But unlike the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, they don't splurge their money to fund the Jihadis all over the world. They never interfere in the politics of other nations.

Oh, really? What about the Revolutionary Guards fighting in Syria? What about a fatwa proclaimed by Ayatollah Khomeini in 1988 requiring Salman Rushdie's execution for money reward (and which was reaffirmed by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in 2005)?  Cool
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Iran is declared a republic (and islamic at that), but don't let yourself get fooled by names or titles. The supreme power in Iran belongs to ayatollahs. Do you know who they are? Grin

Yes. Iran is an Islamic nation. But unlike the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, they don't splurge their money to fund the Jihadis all over the world. They never interfere in the politics of other nations.
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Ok, Iran is a sharia law state, right? And right now it seems to be Russia's ally... How come?
Wrong, Iran is a republic. It has legislative, judicial and executive bodies of power, while traditional sharia state is a theocratic monarchy. Iranian leaders are smart enough to keep radical elements outside their country.

Iran is declared a republic (and islamic at that), but don't let yourself get fooled by names or titles. The supreme power in Iran belongs to ayatollahs. Do you know who they are? Grin

Quote from Wikipedia on judicial system of Iran:

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After the 1979 upheaval of the Pahlavi Dynasty by the Islamic Revolution, the system was greatly altered. The legal code is now based on Shi'a Islamic law or sharia, although many aspects of civil law have been retained, and it is integrated into a civil law legal system

Any objections? Cool
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Posting it here as well, specifically for the quote in bold. Napoleon and Hitler used similar rhetoric in their time!

An Op-Edge with Pepe Escobar is the roving correspondent for Asia Times/Hong Kong.

Brave old (exceptionalist) world
http://rt.com/op-edge/162504-us-exceptional-military-aggression-russia/

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“I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being.” So there it is, straight from the lion’s mouth, as in US President Barack Obama.

The rest are details: deadly details, as in the US military remaining “at the core” of the exceptional worldview; the Pentagon reserving for itself “the power to launch unilateral attacks when America’s interests are directly threatened”; eight or nine proxy wars deployed in the immediate future with no end in sight; and the most startling admission – that the “fulcrum” of US foreign policy from now on will be to curb “aggression” by Russia and China.

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Ok, Iran is a sharia law state, right? And right now it seems to be Russia's ally... How come?
Wrong, Iran is a republic. It has legislative, judicial and executive bodies of power, while traditional sharia state is a theocratic monarchy. Iranian leaders are smart enough to keep radical elements outside their country.

Also, you talk about an irreparable degradation of society, but which society do you talk about
Look at the history of middle east. Typical doctrine from this period:

do you feel yourself a part thereof? If so, how about the title of this thread, i.e. about West (not East) invading Russia again? Grin
You've forgot that Washington's Obkom likes to use islamic radicals to destabilize their competitors. The notable examples are first and second chechen wars shouldn't be forgotten as examples of western intervention.
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It's not about russia, it's about dumb migration policy which slowly kills european nations. I would prefer to see any hostile society in europe, rather than another sharia state.

I have good news for you.  Grin

European Border Agency Reports Surge in Illegal Migration

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/31/world/europe/european-border-agency-reports-surge-in-illegal-migration.html?_r=0
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It's not about russia, it's about dumb migration policy which slowly kills european nations. I would prefer to see any hostile society in europe, rather than another sharia state.

Hostile society in Europe? Are you kidding? Did you forget that Third Reich and Napoleon's empire were not sharia law states. Lol, they were not even islamic... Cool
It seems that you haven't read my message properly. It's not a joke and I'd prefer to see some kind of Third Reich instead of these "soon to be sharia" states. It's just my choice between two evils, because this option won't cause any sort of irreparable degradation of society, unlike religion based platforms.

Ok, Iran is a sharia law state, right? And right now it seems to be Russia's ally... How come?

Also, you talk about an irreparable degradation of society, but which society do you talk about, or, rather, do you feel yourself a part thereof? If so, how about the title of this thread, i.e. about West (not East) invading Russia again? Grin
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For the answer to all of your speculation, go here:

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

I wonder if those hats helped people, who got bombed and shot during the previous invasions.  Undecided

In Soviet Union, at least, prior to German invasion, there was a lot of unspecific uneasiness and feeling of "there'll be a war" that people couldn't quite put their finger on.

If tin foil hats were invented then, I wonder how many would have been advised to wear them, right up to that radio announcement.
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