Topic: Is there a legal jurisdiction backing up gamblers against the casino oppression? - page 5. (Read 941 times)

Since I joined this forum, I have always limited the choice of my online gambling platforms to those who have a presence in the forum. At least the forum is a good place to seek redress, and the members of these communities have the means to punish the erring casino if they fail to do the right thing. Most reputable casinos in the forum will not want to have a bad name in the forum, which will away make them abide by the terms of service.


Some of these licensing countries are more interested in the financial benefits of the license they issue and not the regulatory responsibility. Most of these licensors are focused on ensuring that gamblers comply with anti-money laundering (AML) and counter-terrorism financing (CTF) regulations and not the protection of gamblers. I think OP should seek advice from a legal practitioner in his country.

You see terms and conditions that always accompany your details and asked for to be "checked" before a person can proceed for registration, if you know that you aren't ready to have any problems later, the better you read it but because it's cumbersome and lengthy to read, we don't care. We accept it like that and when problems comes later, we think the casino are oppressing the players but the fact that you checked the terms and conditions, you can't do anything.

Although, when there is evidence in place and it's obvious that a casino is trying to take advantage of you, there is an option to sue and get yourself a lawyer if the money is worth suing the casino company. If your evidence is look into and they actually took advantage of you, the company will be force to pay up your money and the same time pay for some damages depending on how you slam the suit on them with your lawyer. I have seen instances where casino suspend a user account here in the Forum and he called them out and everything was put back in order.

It’s like winning the battle but losing the war if you resort on destroying casino reputation since you will still doesn’t get the money which is important.

I do mention that legal battle is only applicable for cases with huge amount involved and also you should assume already that the amount involved on this hypothetical discussion is huge since the OP main question is about jurisdiction for online casino.

Surely Bitcointalk is one of the place to fight casino but what if the casino doesn’t have representative here?

If it is true that the casino is not being fair to users, then they can collect evidence and take the matter to the regulator or court. Later the authorities will summon the casino and then determine whether they are guilty or not. However, this process is usually not short, it takes weeks, or more until the user gets justice for them, and depending on the evidence submitted by the gambler, the case can be won by them or not, and it is not cheap, because you need money to process it. So if it's worth it to bring the case to court, then someone can bring it, because I remember there was a person in the Philippines who took his fraud case that he experienced in a casino to court, and then he won, but it took a long time to process and he had already spent quite a lot money on that case, even though he got a lot of money from that case.

I do find your contribution helpful but with all being said, it means no jurisdiction that a gambler can lean at when a casino tries to cheat them on a fair play. So literally it seems like such a helpless gambler like that'd only be optioned to attack the casino by social and media criticism? But if the gambler is found guilty there'd always be a jurisdiction to back the casino up in penalizing the gambler.
It really feels expensive going to seek a lawyer in such case and the whole lot of mental required energies of taking those media processes.
I was actually expecting an existing jurisdiction could pick up an immediate interest without the gambler going all those processes of one another. Haven learnt about this, it's better of just gamble with reputable gambling sites to be safe because the system feels unresolvable for helpless gamblers.

This forum has a scam accusations section in the forum, where usually scams or frauds get reported and usually they get solved if legitimate. Th forum DT members are also promote when posed with a unresponsive casino, they will help tagging and flagging the accounts related to the casino.

I think this is more than enough from the part of this forum. There are many other forums for gamblers but I can speak for this one and it worka as intended.

I have read almost similar case like this that the casino tries to put extra flavor from the jackpot winner trying to not pay them all or at least lessen their obligation by making issues or extra rules to make the winner looks cheater or scam .
but those days are gone now because players already knew how to collect proofs so they can face each casino that will try to  double cross them.


I think this has been in news back  years but this is about physical casino , the problem in our time now is that we are dealing with Online casinos that only a tin chance that the authority can run after.

TF bro, this place is far from bounty board so I don’t know how you came all the way from altcoins section to gambling board just to post your proof of authentication in a thread that’s not even bounty related.

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It might not be an easy task to accomplish - take for example most of them don’t have a physical office, so they might decide to hesitate to respond to the court call and aside from that - they are so many casinos out there that the owners are hidden - all that his know is the country they are from but a single person is never being mentioned of owning the company.

But like you mentioned, if the person is ready to spend money then they might be able to push the case till it gets to the end. But the same cannot be said for someone who does not have too much money with them.

But the thing is, there are no laws, jurisdictions, or rules that could support a gambler who will complain because gambling is in the middle of illegal and legal activity, so authorities will not be involved in it. Unless you have proof that the casino is accusing a gambler of a of a wrong or false accusation, then the gambler could file a lawsuit or complain so that the owner could be punished because they are making the wrong accusation against an individual gambler. But I don't think there are casinos that will put their business at risk just to frame one gambler, because it could affect their status or reputation. But if they really notice suspicious activity by a gambler and prove it, then they have the right to ban and freeze the funds of that gambler for further investigation. So better not commit anything that could attracy suspicious such as creating multiplt accounts or transfering huge amount of money from another account.

If you have enough money to sue them then there is a COURT that you can rely and of course your lawyers but if you are poor? then you can only seek support and help via forum like bitcointalk and askgambler.
But make sure that you have all the documents and proofs to run against them this is why we must keep filing each of our gaming specially deposit,withdrawals and the Win record/receipt so in case the casino cheated and abuse you then there are something you can show the people for that casino gives you what you deserve because they knew nothing they can do against you.

I don't quite understand your question.
So you say that a gambler, who lives in country X, gets scammed by an online casino, which has a Curacao gambling license, could sue the casino in, let's say, Hong Kong or Switzerland? Is that what you mean by a particular "legal jurisdiction"? I'm not a lawyer and I don't think that such "gambler friendly" jurisdiction exists. Most countries around the world usually don't have a very gambling-friendly legislation and I don't expect any court to be "gambler friendly". If you get scammed by an online casino, you will have to seek legal advise from a lawyer in the country where you are currently located.

This is a local casino, right? When there's an agreement or deal, it's really up to them. However, if they pursue the case, I think they have a chance of getting the full winnings because the casino's action to deal with the complainant and just pay half of the original winnings is already a sign that they might lose the case. It's really important that once you bring this matter to court, you are liquid enough to pay the attorney to do their job effectively. Otherwise, you'll end up losing your chances and might just be spending for nothing.

So this is only for a local casino where you are living in the country where the casino is operating. But what about those that are not in your jurisdiction and you want to file a case? It's more complicated and probably impossible to do for someone who does not have good financial capacity.

Even our forum was mainly created for Bitcoin/cryptocurrency and not because of gambling problems like this still I agree that bitcointalk has been helpful for such cornered gamblers. It's really interesting that a lot of people have acquired the justice that they are looking for, after they post their concerns here. There might also be organizations that are created to help the unfortunate people solve their problems. A little search might help us find them. It's better if we can take things this way because we have an ally and not attempt to do it on our own because our opposite is bigger than us. And like you said, they can easily turn the tides if they wanted to.

When a gambling house is not regulated under any jurisdiction then our forum must be the only way to fight against them. There are lots of such casinos are up and running famous these days. For a non-licenced casino, bitcointalk must be the only way to find justice.

There were some cases in the past like the gambler won a slot jackpot in a traditional casino and the gambler took it to an atty and the casino made a deal with them to pay something but not the whole amount.

The gambler won a slot jackpot and then the casino claimed the machine was corrupted which they deemed the win void. Its been in the news sometimes, some casinos are just not willing to pay a huge amount to someone too lucky to have won.

If you are that afraid against casinos stealing from you then you can try some casino licensed in your country.

This way you could file a report against them and even take them to court with better chances to achieve something. The reasons most crypto casinos avoid licenses everywhere is because they can also avoid liability if they have no one in a specofoc country. Or they might just get a license in a very remote country where even if you wanted to, would be very inconvenient to pursue a case in their justice system.

But with trusted crypto casinos this isn't an issue. Yes trust is important here because while of course some casinos have done their gambler's dirty, there's a handful of ones that run for years without serious issues ever. If you see a casino doing its best to make everyone right then this is what you should prefer over a license. If a licensed casino want to chest you they will do it anyway.

I don't know such a jurisdiction for such oppression and I doubt that the reputable casinos can use such tactic,the reason is simple,they have enough money to pay even big whales,the only time when they can stop a player is when they can validate that the user has made a violation for real.The thing I do to avoid being in such place,meaning a casino to wrongfully use oppression against me is to play only in reputable casinos where they have a big ANN thread here and in there you will see most of the feedback and reviews are positive,that is for me the only way to stay out of such wrongful oppression.

Anyone can achieve this by only playing in these reputable casinos and not thinking of such scenarios where the casino without evidence to tell you that you have cheated on them,in no way the reputable casinos will resort to such actions,so it is easy,keep playing in the reputable ones.

I'm not a lawyer, but I know that in the event of a legal dispute against a casino that operates internationally, you must sue the casino in the court of the country in which it is licensed. For example, let's say you are a French citizen and you create an account at a Z casino that has a license in Curacao, the casino steals $10,000 from you and you contact support, but support ignores you for many months and you get tired and decide to hire a lawyer, in this case you will need to travel to Curacao to hire a local lawyer, in other words you must hire a lawyer from Curacao

After that, the Curacao lawyer will put your problem in the Curacao court and show all the evidence, then the Curacao court will notify the casino to hear the casino's version of this problem and then the judge will decide, if the judge decides your favor, then the casino will be forced to pay you and they may also be ordered to pay a fine and have their license withdrawn. I hope I helped you understand how things really work.

Now you have to be aware that traveling to Curacao, you will have to take a plane and that is a cost, also in Curacao you will have to pay for a hotel, and that is a cost. then you have to hire a lawyer, and that's a cost, then if you lose the case you will be forced to pay the court's costs. At the end of the day, it doesn't pay off when you're poor and haven't won much money at the casino. That's why many people don't choose to go to court.

Depends on the country where you live. Also the idea whether the casino is registered or not. Not quite sure but same thing could possibly be going with registered casino issues and with registered lotteries. In my country, a man happened to win on a lottery however his ticket was crumpled and burnt when his daughter ironed his clothes. The lottery provider at first rejected to pay him which is why his case gone on trial court. Not really sure about the jurisdiction but for sure there are legal actions for registered casinos if they would be comitting any opression to their players. However, if the casino provider is not registered, then other sanctions will be honored such as those in relation with illegal operating of gambling activities.
Indeed it varies on the country's jurisdiction given that in most countries, gambling activities are not even allowed to be done and be operated.

I can agree that filing a lawsuit is your not first option to undertake as it would cost you a lot of money, just hiring a lawyer. Assess your situation first - has the casino screwed you for a good amount of money? that even hiring a lawyer will offset your possible legal expenses? Or do you have your financial resources to sustain the legal proceedings? Because that would consume a lot of your resources and time.

If not, just follow what others are suggesting. Like open an account to only reputable casinos, this alone, will lessen your chance of being duped. And if you have valid complaint, you can always publish it like in our scam accusations board. This is why it is better to play on a  casino which has active thread in this forum. Because for sure, a lot of people will help you out resolve your case. And yes, you can always post on social media if you want to make noise and have their attention. For sure, if you got their attention, they will try to solve your situation as soon as possible.

Betfred is a casino that have land based and online versions, so it's not surprising to see a gambler can sue the casino and win the case.

But, if @OP mean about casinos who have weak license like Curacao and the casino only have virtual company, they're only legal in small country who have weak regulations, even the victim sue the casino, it will not bring anything. Someone who afraid of getting scammed should gamble on highly regulated casino, and don't be surprised if the KYC is tighter than Curacao license casino.