Topic: Is there a place in the world you could live like a king via sig campaigns? - page 8. (Read 7471 times)

^^^^ Just $120 per month? That is unbelievably cheap. Most of us receive almost that much every week from our signature campaigns. And here in India, it is impossible to have a comfortable life with that much money, even in the most remote parts. $120 roughly equals to ₹9,400 and you will struggle to cover rent and utility bills with this amount. Rent alone may take at least ₹3,000 per month if you want to live in a small house with bathroom and kitchen. Things have become costly here over the past couple of years, including medical care, electricity, food items and clothing.

If you have thoughts of moving to Indonesia then I advise you to decide on a suitable area for you to live in because not all areas in Indonesia are "friendly" for westerners.

I live in Bukit Tinggi, West Sumatra and the cost of living here is very cheap, I personally spend around $120/month on house rent and food, so for those who are lucky to get a place on the BTC signature campaign, for a weekly fee, it is enough to live comfortably here.

for a place of recreation and also a variety of delicious food, in West Sumatra, there are quite a lot. If you are bored, then North Sumatra, South Sumatra and Aceh are quite close from here

everyone wants to live in a comfortable place with family, hopefully, we can find comfort wherever we all are.

If I have to decide - I would go to Indanisa - because that is beautiful place and there is so much nature to be explored.
Also I like the homes and the interior of the Indonesian people. Indonesia has always been in my bucket list. I will sure be going there soon.

^^^ So I guess if we are looking for a retirement spot in Asia, the first choice would be between Thailand and Indonesia? I have seen a lot of people preferring Malaysia as a retirement destination (partly due to the fact that almost everyone speaks English there). Philippines is another destination that I have heard about. From my understanding, the cost of living is similar in all these four countries. Now the deciding factor would be healthcare, crime rate, visa rules, property rights for expats and tax liability.

Indonesia is rich with many kinds of culture, which are spread throughout, including having 718 languages recorded here, as you mentioned earlier, but the prima donnas are Bali and the island of Java, which are famous for their beautiful destinations, so many tourists go on vacation there. Bali has the most Hindu adherents there, around 86.91% (according to Wikipedia) and Aceh is the area with Muslim adherents there with almost all of them 98.4%, but I have never been to the area even though it is still in Indonesian territory.
I just read the news that there are about 43 countries that are visa-free to visit Indonesia, including several other European countries,

Indonisia is a beautiful place. I know a german family moved to Indonesian for good and they like hot weather and beaches and nature.
Since they are germans and they get their gov support - there will be surly no problem for them to be adjusted there.

^^^ From what I heard, Aceh is more like an exception. I am from India, and some of my friends have visited Indonesia (not just Bali, but Java island as well). They told me that the Islam which is being followed in Java is a very moderate variety (unlike the one in India). Bali is around 80% Hindu and remains the only area in the world where you will find Hindus of non-South Asian origin. Obviously in Aceh, the religion may be similar to the one in Malaysia and more conservative. Indian nationals don't need a visa to visit Indonesia, for tourist purposes. That said, I am not sure about staying in Indonesia for long term and the requirements in order to gain permanent residency.

I'm not from Bali or Jakarta. but i come from java province. close to jakarta.
the fact is that more people from abroad visit Jakarta and Bali for holidays. indeed Bali has a good place and is famous for good service. even in 2014 some hotels and cafes accept bitcoin payments. it lasted until 2018. because in 2018 the government here banned accepting payments directly for bitcoins. unless you can exchange it first into rupiah at a legal exchange in Indonesia such as indodax.

but there is something you need to know that as an Indonesian myself, I am very confused about which one to recommend a superior and good tourism place. because all tourism places for holidays throughout Indonesia have their respective advantages. there are even horror themed ones like hell garden.

but just information. That tourism vacation spots in Jakarta and Bali are quite expensive. compared to other areas.

so my recommendation if you want the cheapest vacation spot in Indonesia then choose other than Jakarta and Bali. because apart from Jakarta and Bali, everything is almost the same, namely cheap.
even many are free such as natural tourism places of mountains and beaches.
but I myself prefer beach-themed vacation spots. and one of these beaches that I visit the most is Ujung Genteng Beach. besides being free, the waves are very calm so I can swim freely. even small fish are easy to catch here.

ah regarding sharia law you mean which is in a special area, namely Aceh which is located at the west end (can be seen on the map). indeed that one area uses sharia law. But not totality. this means that the Aceh region is still obedient to the rules of the Indonesian government which uses democracy. So for areas other than Aceh, all of them adhere to democracy. we elect a president like in america. Likewise, Aceh continues to elect a president. only the regional regulations are different for aceh. maybe there is someone from aceh here so maybe they can explain more. what you see may be news that is in the aceh area. Aceh itself is a special area that has a long history and has even existed since the days of the Turkish caliphate as an Islamic kingdom (the heyday of Islam) and had important services for Indonesia, so the area was given special privileges. and the enactment of Islamic sharia law in Aceh, which was around 2000. Because at that time Aceh had wanted to separate itself from Indonesia because it wanted to use Islamic Sharia law. To maintain and avoid division, Indonesia allowed Islamic Sharia law in the Aceh region. so it's only in aceh that Islamic sharia law is enforced. and Aceh is only 1 of 34 provinces in Indonesia.

OP's $1,500/week ($6,400 monthly) for 5 people may not be enough to live like kings but more than enough to live comfortably in beautiful places in Southeast Asia like Indonesia, the Philippines and Thailand. There's a lot of regular cheap flights in the region too for more cross country vacations.

In the Philippines where I came from, you can live in top tourist destination islands like Cebu, Aklan, Bohol and Palawan where cities and international airports are both existing. Most houses here only have 3 to 4 rooms and good ones cost $400 to $600 so $700-$800 should be a very good house with 5 rooms. $400 should be more than enough for a thousand mbps of fibr internet speed, 5 air conditioned rooms, water and others appliances.

$6,400 monthly budget
    800 house
    400 electric/water bills
  1,000 food
$4,200 remaining balance

A kilo of good meat/fish here is like $8. Fruits, vegetables and spices are even cheaper. A total of $4,200 or $840 per person left, that's still a lot of money to spend. In these islands, you can rent motorcycles for a day for only $10. Gasoline may reach $2 per liter here.

Citizenship is almost impossible to achieve for a pure blooded foreigner (unless married to a Philippine citizen) but you can just easily renew your visa. I think it still exists, there are some special privileges on some nationalities like the Americans.     



I learned a lot from your post. Which part in Indonesia are you from? Is Bali or Jakarta the best places to go? Years ago I read about executions handed by Islamic courts. I really thought the whole of Indonesia is now under Sharia Law. I did a little search in the internet and it says that it is only Aceh under Sharia Law. But is this correct or there are still more sectarian places? I already visited Indonesia before. But I just went there to roam around Batam City area, ate my lunch and had snacks in your malls. And then I went back to Singapore just before night time. I had a good time there and food is good.   





 

You are right, the information seen in this thread has helped me to understand more usefulness of Bitcointalk, other countries standards of living is among though one still need to find out more things about one Self before you consider taking any step or move. The testimony of those in the campaign is another good thing that Bitcoin has given to the world because it has solved some financial crises in the life of so many people through the weekly earnings. I believe the pharmacist will update us if he decides to make his fantasy a reality.

This thread has gain a lot of response since the last time i commented, lots of suggestions of different countries and their reach culture and heritage.
the thread has attracted lots of interesting feedback that i found it interesting place to learn more about other countries standard of living.
what is even more interesting is knowing how earnings from signature campaign is supporting many members sustenance, (myself included)
Although the pharmacist said this is only a fantasy of his but with so many suggestions... assuming this is something he wants to consider, i would like to know if out of all the different countries suggested, which would he be interested in trying out or that fits to his requirement.

The world is sliding towards another recession, which may last for a longer duration compared to the one we had in 2008-09. The difference this time is that the economic meltdown is very much avoidable. If the US/EU administrations work towards lowering prices of oil and gas, there is still a chance that the impending economic crisis can be avoided. That said, do you guys think that moving to a different country is going to be easier, if the economic situation is going to get really bad? And third world countries get impacted much more, when compared to the developing nations.

Indeed, looking at the two sides of the situation really matters. The bad side shouldn't be overlooked because it could bring so many disadvantages if not addressed or known beforehand. Considering Indonesia as a place to stay, it could offer a lot of activities and sides of the world. Someone can enjoy both the city life and nature in Indonesia. It's a developing and emerging country which makes it good place to go to if you are from a third world country.

However, a dark side of it exists too. Just like what you've mentioned, there are several incidents that has happened before which should also be a concern of someone thinking to stay in a certain place for a long time. Weighing the pros and cons will leave someone to decide whether it's worth the risk or not. Of course, let's also take into consideration that signature campaigns aren't really permanent. They just exist for a specific period of time.

Hence, someone must have a backup in case it suddenly stops. In this case, if you are a foreigner and not really a migrant, job finding could be hard. Because to think that the actual Indonesian citizens are having a hard time finding employment, what more for a mere stranger travelling in a country.

Indeed, in the past there have been riots as mentioned by you. but the commotion was not as bad as what was reported in the media. when the media say the number of victims is in the thousands, but in reality it is not like that and only hundreds.

But chaos and unrest will always exist in any country.
So it is necessary to also see things from two sides and from various points of view.

However, I just want to clarify that the riots that you said in 1998 were events that were triggered by the monetary crisis that caused students to take to the streets to hold demonstrations. and caused the resignation of the Indonesian president at that time.
At that time there was also a kind of clash with ethnic Chinese. but it didn't last long and didn't last long. everything can be solved.

and now various ethnic groups live peacefully in Indonesia.

What makes Indonesia unique is that even though we are of different ethnicities and languages, we are still one unit, namely Indonesia.

just information on the number of tribes or ethnicities in Indonesia, there are about 1340 ethnic groups and have the second largest number of regional languages, which are 718 different regional languages.

Each region has many tribes and many regional languages ​​and also has diverse cultures and customs.

but the miraculous thing is that even though there are 718 regional languages ​​in Indonesia, we have 1 language that makes us united and harmonious and we from every tribe and every region understand this 1 language, namely INDONESIAN.

even we are very open with people who come from other countries.

and the fact is that now we are here in Indonesia living side by side in peace with people who are originally from abroad.

they are even free to build a business in Indonesia with permission from the government. Such as China, Thailand, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, Arabia, India, Australia, America, Bangladesh, the Netherlands and many outsiders who build businesses here. some even have factories, hotels and restaurants.

So maybe the results of the signature campaign can be used as capital to build a business in Indonesia too hahahaha

In fact, many artists from abroad have moved to Indonesia and started their careers back in Indonesia, such as Haruka, a singer from AKB48, a girl group from Japan, and there is also a boyband artist from South Korea who now has Indonesian citizenship. and he admits that he feels at home in Indonesia. and now he is married and has children in Indonesia.
because even becoming an artist in Indonesia is very easy as long as you have good skills and abilities. because in Indonesia there are many ordinary people who suddenly become artists and become rich hahahaha

In Indonesia, there are six religions, namely Islam, Protestant Christianity, Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Confucianism. and here we respect each other and even here churches and mosques are built side by side. we help each other during our respective religious celebrations.

so don't trust media news too much. because sometimes the media exaggerate the content of the news presented.

but it's true what @Sithara007 said we need to see things from two sides. in terms of good and bad. because as peaceful as a country is, sometimes a little riot will always exist and cannot be avoided.

but for now there is one area that I think is forbidden to visit, namely Papua. other than that area then you are free and can feel safe. Papua is located at the eastern end of Indonesia and the land is separated by a vast sea.

You need to look at both sides of the coin. There is no doubt that Indonesia is a progressive country. But recently, there have been a sharp rise in religious fundamentalism. Terrorist incidents happen every now and then, and the perfect example is what happened in Bali in 2002 (more than 200 people died). Ethnic riots happen very frequently, and thousands have been killed recently in hotspots such as Kalimantan, Maluku and Papua. And even in major cities, there have been clashes in the past (one example is the May 1998 riots, in which thousands of Chinese were killed and hundreds were raped).

My country's language is almost the same as Indonesian. although there are slight differences in dialect and some pronunciations. but I think the OP can learn Indonesian easily. because many foreigners live in my country and they learn my country language easily. while the language of my country and the language of Indonesia are almost the same. so I think it will be easy for foreigners to learn Indonesian too. I can also speak a little Indonesian. Very simple and friendly language.

But what I do know is that the Indonesian nation is a nation that upholds manners and customs, they are known to be friendly and kind. even they are happy to welcome foreigners who come to their country. So I think the Indonesians would help the OP if he lived there.

but it should be noted that the wages of work there are very cheap when compared to other countries such as America. but fortunately in that country goods and food are cheap. I often visit Indonesia. because it happens that our country is close. so I know a little about the situation there.

even some schools in the following countries include Indonesian in their curriculum lessons such as.
Japan.
Australia.
Ukraine.
South Korea.
Hawaiian.
The Netherlands.
Germany.

even if only in some schools. but it proves that Indonesian is starting to be considered important by these countries. because perhaps these countries do have close business relations. so that certain schools that are related to the field of business are required to master the Indonesian language because there may be an opportunity to be sent to Indonesia to do business there.

If I may ask, what is your top priority when there is a country like you want out of all your desires?
Then, will your income /week will remain with the amount of $1,500?
If in one week your income is $1,500, then as I have said, there is a country that can make a life like a boss, namely Indonesia.

To prove it, please try to take a vacation to Indonesia and enjoy everything there, I can be sure that you will be comfortable throughout your vacation.