Topic: Is this forum getting worse and worse? - page 6. (Read 2168 times)

Wouldn't say that forums is getting worse, it's just getting boring. Wouldn't relate it with mixers ban because I noticed such trends long time before it. I only see ban of mixers as first signs of censorship.
Main reasons already mentioned. Most of things were already discussed already so many times that's difficult to find new topics to discuss. Technical things were already discussed a lot and it's thing not for everyone.
Many old time members who made this forum iconic already left forum for various reasons. Without them Bitcointalk isn't same. Another reason is Bitcoin and crypto turning into mainstream thing, previously lot of discussion were about how to introduce crypto to people and business.
I already miss old times when we have never ending drama in Reputation board or annoying trolls posting from alt accounts .

It'e easy to find reasons to ban casinos there. You probably know that most of them is registered in offshore countries like Curacao. They're not paying taxes in rest of countries where they're operating, they not always following all local regulations. Also, I guess fiat bookmakers also aren't very positive about their competition. If governments would start taking actions against them, theymos wouldn't have no other choice than banning casinos, same like he done with mixers.

_act_ Bro, We didn't just lose o_e_l_e_o we lost some more essential people with whole experience. Among them, I found two people today: LAuda and Light_warrior. I saw they were also well-experienced, but they are no more; they left the forum long ago. Maybe someone died, or someone left the forum due to illness. You will not stay here, nor will we, because there will be a time when we cannot continue.

I was so sad to see this post of yours at first, but after a lot of searching, I found three people and whatnot. As a new member, I hope those who leave with the whole experience will create new members like them so that the forum will not be in a bad state.

When I joined this forum in 2022, the chipmixer campaign was still open, and there were so many legendary members who were creating many educational threads. The discussion on the forum was really great and eductive for newbies, but after the chipmixer campaign ended, I felt there was a little bit of a decline in the discussion. 

Most of the old, legendary members I know were mostly talking about Bitcoin privacy and security, but since mixers got banned on the forum and people are not talking freely and adding links to mixers without being word-filtered, I think that's what makes some people just lose interest too. 

Leo was really a reputable member that likes privacy and talks about privacy mostly; if he were still here today to see that mixers are banned on the forum, I wonder what he would have said. 

I know that this forum has not really become worse as some people think. Currently,  members are just sharing the knowledge they have, and most of the people who have already left or stopped being active were members who actually had a lot of quality knowledge about Bitcoin, tech, and development compared to so many of us here. 

The forum is dead pretty much. There is nothing interesting to discuss. I'll be honest and I am trying hard to make posts and even then I can't fulfill my weekly post quota (that's 30 posts) sometimes. It is because there is almost nothing to talk about. The forum looks so abandoned, like a desert. I miss the ICO days somehow. (around ~2017) Those times were the peak of this forum. Yes there were lots of spam, lots of account farmers but now I see that was part of the fun. Catching all those scammers/farmers were creating lots of post activity&drama.

Now there are (probably) no cheaters, there is no drama, and almost zero activity.

Maybe theymos should remove the merit system 

I agree in a sense.  Clearly this forum has taken a massive and steady decline since 2016.  You'd have to have your head in the ground to think otherwise.  I disagree wholeheartedly with your assumption that it has anything to do with the mixer ban though.  Mixers were paying people to come here and spout nonsense while defending each other's bad actions to the point the trust network is a joke.  That led to users attacking honest people who build things here, so actual useful members just take their talent and leave rather than bicker with idiots who are only stating nonsense to get more posts in and earn more.  Now that these paid to post troublemakers are starting to leave here, it's almost becoming bearable to have discussions and build on ideas again.  Maybe we'll see something of value built here by the community again at some point rather than leaving Bitcoiners to chase Ordinals and Runes for something to do.

I feel everything that needed to be discussed on Bitcoin has been discussed over the years and old members on the Bitcoin board have grown bored and not so many found this place interesting anymore. We have Twitter where more Bitcoin Holder exists.

I also agree with you that Bitcoin is becoming old news, nobody comes online to learn about it anymore, and the information is everywhere on the street. What's left to discuss?

You are right, after the ban of mixer many members have shifted there time and devotion to other forum ALTT so the quality there increased more then it decreased here. I think you are also there? Spending time here and there is not so hard but it affects the quality of the post. Besides this factor, posts on this forum are depend on the nature of the market. If its the trend of ETFs, then you will see relevant discussion. If its war, casinos, SEC, or seizure etc. whatever is being discussed on trending is being discussed here.

So, I won't say the quality has decreased, its just more newbies are coming day by day, some are spamming, and the remaining ones are not so active here with good topics I don't know why? Besides speculation threads, I only find good readable thread on development section of BTC or in local board. BTW what you think, is not being discussed here, or what should be the main goal of posts or what types of posts are not seen anymore here?

It is true that repetition is constantly happening. But also there should be a way to describe old ideas in a new way in order not to make it boring. And in BTC new technologies has been evolving as I read such as;
LN
Signature segregation
The one called taproot(which I don't understand)

And the Ordinals and Runes with congestion drama in the memory pool.


The LN is more difficult to use than Bitcoin.  I don't think third world countries are using it enmass. They like CEX
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So we need to accept the fact, that BTC is what it is and we can't expect the information to be new in every post we post, merit sources should also have to look at the primary discussion boards and encourage posts that contribute something to the discussion which doesn't always necessarily to be exceptional, long and technical.

I used to think we should have a two week signature free forum.

As I look at it now I realize forum members have earned millions in btc via signatures ending signatures is not the answer. Accepting the reality that BTC and all other coins are old news and less people are interested in the forum because it is repetitive.

Definitely, it is getting worse and the probable causes are

• We are running out of interesting topics to discuss.
• Newbies trying to teach how to be an expert.
• Merit sources ignored primary discussion boards because it's mostly filled with spam.
• Veterans left the forum for multiple reasons.
• Missing reporters like Actmyname.

What we can do to make it better, ban signature campaigns completely It will effectively stop the posts that are created to meet quota but it reduce the traffic into the forum drastically.

Well to be honest, bitcoin and its use cases have been small till date and governments are not doing anything conducive to make the acceptance skyrocket. So people come and go as they please and hence we can draw a correlation here that less interest in bitcoin = less users coming to this forum or more people leaving the forum.

The traffic to the site increases when the bull run happens and decreases during a bear market.

So for anyone reading the thread, instead of saying "I dont like the forum anymore" - do something yourself to make yourself involved in it and only then you will find it fun or engaging.

I feel mostly useful on this forum on technical boards where people ask questions about bitcoin wallets, but there are other boards that are also useful. If you go to altcoin board for example, ask questions and see some quality replies/answers from people. There was a friend I told to ask a question about an altcoin wallet when he was unable to see his altcoin reflecting on his wallet while showing confirmation on the altcoin blockchain, he got answer to his question on this forum as they told him what to do. That was on altcoins discussion. There are some useful topics on the altcoin boards also.

On trading discussion, you can see good discussion there. People often come with questions that were answered on trading discussion. But most merit sources are not present on that board because they are mostly technically inclined.

How about gambling boards, scam accusation and reputation. If someone using a gambling site that has announcement thread on this forum felt cheated by any of the casinos or gambling sites, you will see the person create a scam acquisition against the gambling site. If provided with proves, there are many cases like this that were resolved. Although the scam accusation board is not only about gambling sites but all other sites that people on this forum know very well and others beyond this forum. You can also see people discussing about gambling addiction, recommended gambling sites and offers on games and rounds. You may see it not useful but if you think about it deep downs, they are useless boards as well. The presence of some gambling sites on this forum help some people to avoid fake and scam gambling sites just as we recommend good bitcoin wallets on the technical boards.

But what you can say is that the spam on the bitcoin technical boards are significantly reduced like to almost zero if compared to other boards that spammimg and low quality posts are frequent.

Okay what has happened is crypto btc or alts are old news.

So repetition is constantly happening.

BTC has been around for more than 15 years LTC and Doge for more than 12 years.

I honestly can't do much new news about those three coins on the mining level.

Mining is old news and in general you need commercial rate of 7 cents per kwatt to insure profits.

So from the mining viewpoint of coins there is not much new news.

The one exception is if an alt coin becomes okay to gpu mine at 20 cent power.


As a home owner in most parts of the world mining is too costly.

This hurts crypto no one can mine at home interest is lost.

Basically btc and or any coin the only thing you should do is dca and hodl.

the LN for btc is helpful in third world countries with terrible banking.


I am in the USA. Zelle has created safe instant cash transfers of 0-999 for free that hurts crypto.

Leo comments are really missed, but nobody is irreplaceable. The forum and the discussions continues , and we always see people giving good answers in the most important discussions.



I think this forum is still the best place to get technical support for 99% of the problems related to bitcoin/wallets/exchanges...

I'm pretty new here, I don't really know how this place has been in the past years. But I have noticed that there were more quality posts in the past. This is why I visit older threads,  because I tend to learn more reading older threads.

Again,  I discovered that only a few boards like Bitcoin technical board and the Bitcoin technical support boards have real problem solving  topics.  Most of the other boards are generic topics which do not have deeper connections to bitcoin.

Isn't that because topics are created to reach post quota, instead of because someone's genuinely interested?

This makes it all the more annoying to see more and more AI verbal diarrhea on the tech boards. The less than 100% bans for this isn't helping.

There are no two ways about it, those old members left the forum or stop being active in the forum because, what used to interest them left the forum. There is no need to be romancing words here, it's no coincidence that mixer left the forum and reputable members not just 1 or 2 suddenly went offline or stopped being active as usual. It's a clear indication that their actions were intentional. So it will take something similar to what they are used to, for them to find here interesting again and come back fully. It's a hard decision to make, but what's important for the healthy growth of the forum should be done. And whatever it is, it should consider making a balance between keeping the old and experienced members of the forum and safeguarding the safety of the forum.

The answer to this question will be determined by new advertisers. If there is no interest in the forum, the value of the forum will certainly have declined.

So what will happen to the forum's reserves if there is no continuous development? +500 Bitcoin is enough to make the forum better.

I may ask him about this soon.

I feel some boards got harder to explore due to spammer who use AI/chatbot to spam generic or garbage post. Those spammer rarely got permanent banned or even temporary ban. I also feel some people no longer report spam on some boards.


I think you forget about epochtalk which is in development since many years ago, https://github.com/epochtalk/. Sometimes i think people should've suggest theymos to use different open-source forum software (such as Discourse) many years ago.