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legendary
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You can't keep your anecdotes straight. First you say Israel is helping ISIS, then you say only Muslims support ISIS. You might run into less problems with sketchy facts if you post a source to back up your claims once in awhile.

OK... I will list the facts:

1. All ISIS members are Sunni Muslims
2. ISIS has mostly targeted non-Muslims
3. Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel are supporting the ISIS, for their own reasons.

I'll change my claim that "only Muslims support the ISIS" to "all ISIS members are Sunni Muslims". Hope that everything is clear now.

This is much better. When I get a chance I'll circle back to this about #1, because I came across some reading that indicated this was not entirely true. When I find it again, I'll post it.

Here's one article I had found about how ISIS recruits non-Muslims (so they aren't all Sunni Muslims). There was a better article I had come across that talked about how some people went to 'work' for ISIS not because of ideology but simply because they paid wages like a job, and there was no work for them otherwise, but they started abandoning ISIS because they were never paid as promised. I can't find that article now, but this one makes my point as well.

http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-recruiting-westerners-how-islamic-state-goes-after-non-muslims-recent-converts-west-1680076
legendary
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All ISIS members aren't Muslims...
Isn't it evident that all ISIS members are muslims? After all I in ISIS stands for Islamic.

He is claiming that the ISIS members are not "true Muslims". Now the question is who is a true Muslim. The ISIS fanatics claim that they and their supporters are true Muslims, while the others are apostates. Someone else will say that only he is a true Muslim and others are less equal. It depends upon the interpretation.  Grin
legendary
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All ISIS members aren't Muslims...

Isn't it evident that all ISIS members are muslims? After all I in ISIS stands for Islamic.
legendary
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You can't keep your anecdotes straight. First you say Israel is helping ISIS, then you say only Muslims support ISIS. You might run into less problems with sketchy facts if you post a source to back up your claims once in awhile.

OK... I will list the facts:

1. All ISIS members are Sunni Muslims
2. ISIS has mostly targeted non-Muslims
3. Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel are supporting the ISIS, for their own reasons.

I'll change my claim that "only Muslims support the ISIS" to "all ISIS members are Sunni Muslims". Hope that everything is clear now.

This is much better. When I get a chance I'll circle back to this about #1, because I came across some reading that indicated this was not entirely true. When I find it again, I'll post it.
hero member
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How could #1 be true? All ISIS members aren't Muslims and also sunnis are who follow correctly. You think killing muslims, non-muslims and making mischief in the lands are Sunnis? I don't think so.

Do you have any proof for this? As far as I know, there isn't a single non-Muslim member in the ISIS. Also, I don't think there are any Shias or Ismailis with them.

What if I ask you same question? I know the answer will be medias tell they are muslims and some members claim they are muslims. But does that mean all are muslims?

Sunnis are the ones who follow Qur'an and Hadiths correctly. Therefore, how could a person killing muslims, non-muslims and making mischief in lands a sunni/Muslim?
legendary
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How could #1 be true? All ISIS members aren't Muslims and also sunnis are who follow correctly. You think killing muslims, non-muslims and making mischief in the lands are Sunnis? I don't think so.

Do you have any proof for this? As far as I know, there isn't a single non-Muslim member in the ISIS. Also, I don't think there are any Shias or Ismailis with them.
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Just saw this today

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/19/africa/libya-isis-executions-ethiopian-christians/

They are really sticking it to the Christians aren't they.

But ill be damned if you draw a picture of Muhammad.
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You can't keep your anecdotes straight. First you say Israel is helping ISIS, then you say only Muslims support ISIS. You might run into less problems with sketchy facts if you post a source to back up your claims once in awhile.

OK... I will list the facts:

1. All ISIS members are Sunni Muslims
2. ISIS has mostly targeted non-Muslims
3. Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel are supporting the ISIS, for their own reasons.

I'll change my claim that "only Muslims support the ISIS" to "all ISIS members are Sunni Muslims". Hope that everything is clear now.

How could #1 be true? All ISIS members aren't Muslims and also sunnis are who follow correctly. You think killing muslims, non-muslims and making mischief in the lands are Sunnis? I don't think so.
legendary
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You can't keep your anecdotes straight. First you say Israel is helping ISIS, then you say only Muslims support ISIS. You might run into less problems with sketchy facts if you post a source to back up your claims once in awhile.

OK... I will list the facts:

1. All ISIS members are Sunni Muslims
2. ISIS has mostly targeted non-Muslims
3. Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel are supporting the ISIS, for their own reasons.

I'll change my claim that "only Muslims support the ISIS" to "all ISIS members are Sunni Muslims". Hope that everything is clear now.
legendary
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This, they are saying "we are muslims" but they do not know what is the meaning of "Islam".

You can't run away by saying something like this. The ISIS has support only from Muslims, and their plan is the complete extermination of all non-Muslims. And contrary to the popular myths, there is a lot of support for ISIS among the Muslims. Moreover, they are supported by Saudi Arabia, which is the decision taker for the Sunni Muslims around the world.

You can't keep your anecdotes straight. First you say Israel is helping ISIS, then you say only Muslims support ISIS. You might run into less problems with sketchy facts if you post a source to back up your claims once in awhile.


The Israel - Palestine conflict has nothing to do with this. Israel is actually supporting the ISIS. A few months ago, they bombed the Syrian army positions, in order to help the ISIS in gaining territory. Another NATO member, Turkey is supporting the ISIS by issuing passports to its fighters, so that they could travel to Iraq and Syria to join the fighting.
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It is absolutely shameful and unacceptable that these primitive people are allowed to perpetrate such horrible acts of barbary. Now we should consider the lessons, and we must all protect cultural heritage at any cost. I guess it is a matter of good will and directed efforts.

These primitive people don't understand the meaning of cultural heritage.
They just want to destroy all symbols of other religions, even if it carries large historical / cultural significance.

Not "only" other religions. They also destroy Masjids and kill people from their own religion.
legendary
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It is absolutely shameful and unacceptable that these primitive people are allowed to perpetrate such horrible acts of barbary. Now we should consider the lessons, and we must all protect cultural heritage at any cost. I guess it is a matter of good will and directed efforts.

These primitive people don't understand the meaning of cultural heritage.
They just want to destroy all symbols of other religions, even if it carries large historical / cultural significance.
hero member
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It is absolutely shameful and unacceptable that these primitive people are allowed to perpetrate such horrible acts of barbary. Now we should consider the lessons, and we must all protect cultural heritage at any cost. I guess it is a matter of good will and directed efforts.
legendary
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This, they are saying "we are muslims" but they do not know what is the meaning of "Islam".

You can't run away by saying something like this. The ISIS has support only from Muslims, and their plan is the complete extermination of all non-Muslims. And contrary to the popular myths, there is a lot of support for ISIS among the Muslims. Moreover, they are supported by Saudi Arabia, which is the decision taker for the Sunni Muslims around the world.

This is not mean they are real *muslims, or am I wrong? *When they will kill also muslim people, and christians etc... They are also supported by Saudi Arabia, but also other nations (and this is obviously not public). However you are (maybe) right, I cannot say (simple) that they are not muslims but all their action does not represent a real muslim.
legendary
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This, they are saying "we are muslims" but they do not know what is the meaning of "Islam".

You can't run away by saying something like this. The ISIS has support only from Muslims, and their plan is the complete extermination of all non-Muslims. And contrary to the popular myths, there is a lot of support for ISIS among the Muslims. Moreover, they are supported by Saudi Arabia, which is the decision taker for the Sunni Muslims around the world.
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The Israel - Palestine conflict also has a role to play in this.

The Israel - Palestine conflict has nothing to do with this. Israel is actually supporting the ISIS. A few months ago, they bombed the Syrian army positions, in order to help the ISIS in gaining territory. Another NATO member, Turkey is supporting the ISIS by issuing passports to its fighters, so that they could travel to Iraq and Syria to join the fighting.

Basically no one want to stop ISIS, everyone has a little bit of responsability in this situation  Roll Eyes.



Thwy are bombing their relion praying places mosques so bombing church is not an interesting thing. I dont believe even they are believing any religion.

Not that simple. The ISIS has never targeted a Sunni place of worship ever since its creation. They have mostly targeted Yazidi, Christian and other non-Muslim places of worship, although they have rarely destroyed some Shiite mosques and shrines. It will be foolish to say that religion has no role to play in this.

This, they are saying "we are muslims" but they do not know what is the meaning of "Islam".


legendary
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Thwy are bombing their relion praying places mosques so bombing church is not an interesting thing. I dont believe even they are believing any religion.

Not that simple. The ISIS has never targeted a Sunni place of worship ever since its creation. They have mostly targeted Yazidi, Christian and other non-Muslim places of worship, although they have rarely destroyed some Shiite mosques and shrines. It will be foolish to say that religion has no role to play in this.
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Thwy are bombing their relion praying places mosques so bombing church is not an interesting thing. I dont believe even they are believing any religion.
legendary
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The Israel - Palestine conflict also has a role to play in this.

The Israel - Palestine conflict has nothing to do with this. Israel is actually supporting the ISIS. A few months ago, they bombed the Syrian army positions, in order to help the ISIS in gaining territory. Another NATO member, Turkey is supporting the ISIS by issuing passports to its fighters, so that they could travel to Iraq and Syria to join the fighting.
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All right, this is a fair point. But also consider that I don't think very many of the people they are recruiting in the Middle East have access to Western Media reports, and if they do, this is not what sways them into believing ISIS is Islamic. They believe ISIS is Islamic for entirely different reasons, and if you want to combat the perception of ISIS as Islamic, you're better pressed figuring out why poor people without access to Western Media are finding the violence of ISIS and their own understanding of Islam to be congruent.


The Israel - Palestine conflict also has a role to play in this. Poor people in the Middle East can empathize with the suffering of Palestinians. They naturally tend to rally behind any "strong" force which supports Islam. If there wasn't so much fighting and violence in the Middle East, I doubt if ISIS would have been as successful.
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