Topic: ISIS destroys Syrian Church on Easter Sunday - page 2. (Read 3850 times)

All right, this is a fair point. But also consider that I don't think very many of the people they are recruiting in the Middle East have access to Western Media reports, and if they do, this is not what sways them into believing ISIS is Islamic. They believe ISIS is Islamic for entirely different reasons, and if you want to combat the perception of ISIS as Islamic, you're better pressed figuring out why poor people without access to Western Media are finding the violence of ISIS and their own understanding of Islam to be congruent.

In a long-term perception, I believe so. Some people come and join saying it is Islamic and are brainwashed. Also some people hate all Muslims when media say "Islamic" resulting in more violence and hatred. If media stop it, both Muslims and non-Muslims may go more peacefully and brainwashed kids maybe able to releaze they are telling lie. I don't how exactly I should say. I have some points but I can't express it in English. I think you get th point.

 This doesn't stop ISIS or other violent groups, however, we may atleast be able to reduce it.


Hmm... Hard to believe they could stand a chance to US without any help.


I understand it but what about hundreds and thousands of innocents?

They seem very strong and determinate, this is the video:



Mirror 2: http://ge.tt/2Uie8SE2/v/0


Remember in this case for them the worst way is the best way, and the unique to stop their action is to use an atomic bomb.

I see your point about denying them the label of "Islamic" so that there is no confusion that people who follow them are doing so for anything they can claim to be a legitimate religious reason. It's not invalid, I just don't know how useful it is. Do you think they would they be less of a movement if they called themselves something else?

I don't think ISIS has more resources than US. If they do, they must have some help from good military countries such as Russia or UK. I don't think US is afraid either. Do you know what was reponse from US to this?


Got it. Yup, it is easiest way but at the same time, worst way.

The Islamic State militants (formerly ISIS) have released a gruesome new video in which they warn of an attack similar to 9/11, promise to “burn America” and threaten US nationals around the world.

In the 11 minute video, the militants claim that jihadi groups have grown stronger since the 9/11 terrorist attacks carried out by Al-Qaeda in New York and Washington DC, and allege that Islamists have “more resources”.

The graphic video published in social media with the hashtag #WeWillBurnUSAgain features footage of the attacks on the World Trade Center while a man’s voice says that “today there is no safety for any American on the globe.”
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http://rt.com/news/249349-isis-threatens-us-video/



I said the unique way to stop those isis members is an atomic bomb.

Exactly. They should be killed for their wrongdoings. I don't agree with atom bomb though as there are many innocents there.

Also, your statement doesn't make sense. "They think they are strong and big" - that means you don't think they are strong and big. So why an atom bomb?

Exactly, we are in a new epoch and it is nor more necessary destroy those statue because everyone know the truth and everyone can choose his religion. Those isis member, are only stupid men that think they are strong and big but, in this case an atomic bomb is necessary.

The only problem is such methods look out of place in the 21st century.
Just because such behaviour was acceptable hundreds of years ago doesn't mean that it can be explained / justified today.

Neither me attacking you. Why I am telling they ain't Muslims is to protect others. Some Muslims are brainwashed and all. If the misconception "Islamic" is removed, many people would turn away from brutal things like ISIS is doing. This would also help to decrease some of the murders. However, only way to finish this is "war" but there will be consequences on both sides. I hope these things will be solved soon.

There is a valid reason for doing so. Islam has always used violence and genocide as a tool for its growth. The existence of pre-Islamic statues remember people about those incidents. Once these monuments are removed, then in future, people will never knew that they had such a rich culture and civilization before Islam.

This is not unique to Islam. Christianity has also used the same. For example, they destroyed the totem poles of British Columbia, as they seemed too "anti-Christian" for them. Christian missionaries have always destroyed native places of worship, in order to force their religion upon others.

Why the hell they are destroying the history of the country. Every such organizations do the same things just like what Taliban did. It destroyed the Buddha statues in Afghanistan.

Says you. They say you've got Islam wrong. It's a case of he said/she said. I don't care, I think you're all wrong because religion is stupid. All I care about is people stop killing.


If you have enough people who agree with you that you are the president and are willing to kill people who don't agree with them, then you and them are a problem. That's the situation here. It doesn't matter how many people are against it. It matters how many maniacs are murdering people in your name. It matters how many maniacs ISIS has agreeing that they are Islamic and are willing to kill for it. Your denial is worthless. It stops nobody from dying.


I repeat, your denial is worthless. It stops nobody from dying. It's probably academically correct, and yet look how much that matters. It's not stopping them from calling themselves Islamic, and it's not stopping people from joining them when they realize they aren't following Islamic teachings. This is my whole point. We can all agree they are not Islamic, but we don't matter. The people who agree with them and will pick up weapons and murder innocent people to spread their ideology are what matters.


No, they are political supporters, and they are armed maniacs murdering people who dare to disagree with them. There are enough people murdering for them to be relevant. All the denials of how Islamic they are is not going to stop them from killing.


Like it or not, there are more versions of Islam than yours. Religious movements split all the time over their values. You trying to disavow any other religion has no more merit than any other religion disavowing yours. I'm not making any argument as to what ISIS is because ultimately I don't care, I'm just repeating what they call themselves.



No, it's because these people agree with their violent means. Don't blame the media, it's a copout and it's not at all grounded in reality.



I am not claiming all Muslims support them. I am claiming enough people who self-identify as Muslim support their form of Islam for them to be able to recruit, murder, and recruit more. I'm fine with them being known as a different religion. But first they'll have to stop calling themselves Islamic. That's your problem with them, not mine.

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I am not attacking you Muhammed Zakir. I believe you wish to live a moral life under the rules of your religion, and you do not condone violence committed by ISIS. I believe their form of Islam is not in keeping with the Islam you practice. I am not even calling them Islamic. When I repeat that, I'm repeating what they call themselves. If this was a group of 10 people in the desert, it wouldn't matter. But ISIS is tens of thousands strong. They recruit from all over the world. They are able to recruit because their violence resonates with some people for some reason. And after ISIS, there is Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, and probably many other groups I don't even know about who all have similar violent ideologies and also self-identify as Islamic. This is a very troubling number of people committing violence in the name of Islam, and I already know it's forbidden by you and good Muslims everywhere, but that's changing nothing. We can all agree this is a false Islam, but that's an academic point. It does nothing to stop the movement, to stop the killing, and as a non-religious person, all I care about is that people stop killing other people. I don't care if they're bad Muslims, or non-Muslims; they're bad people, but they are drawn to a violent message, and they think that message fits with Islam for some reason, whether they are academically right or wrong seems rather irrelevant at that point to me.

I didn't want "consider" to be here. I am telling they are completely contradicting Islamic rules and trachings.


Spreading false thing about Islam is a matter to me.


As I said, if I claim I am president, I don't be a president. This is same thing they are doing.

Can you tell who is "enough people"? Many Muslims against it.


I can prove they are wrong using Qur'an and Hadiths, theycan't.


They are killing people and I disagree with them. They shouldn't do these sort of things. But spreading false thing about Islam is matter to me.


They're mostly political supporters and I am sure they have political things in mind when doing these cruelty.


Supporters mostly are political supporters and yes, it isn't Islam, yet, people say Islam just because they claim they are which is kinda stupid.


There is only one Islam. Don't claim there is 2, peace Islam and violent Islam. Only one. If Islam doesn't teach or tell any of these, how can it be Islam? They are more or likely forming new religion and have political gains.


Why? Because medias tell they are doing it because of Islam, which is wrong and people who don't know about Islam, believe it and support that statement. Spreading false thing and telling it is relevant isn't relevant.


Are you claiming all Muslims support them? Only a some Muslims who ISIS brainwashed support it and mostly are political supporters.

Contradicting Islam and claiming it is Islam doesn't make it Islam. They are obviously making new religion with their own rules.

I agree with you that they are not "Islamic," at least not the form of Islam most people would consider to be most legitimate. Does this ultimately matter though? The problem is ISIS claims to be Islamic, and they have enough people who agree with them to be the force that they are. You and them disagree about who is correct, but what does this ultimately matter as they're killing people? The fact remains they have sympathizers and supporters significant enough in numbers to make them relevant.

That's the whole thing: they're relevant because they have support. It may not be your Islam, but that hardly matters when their purpose is to spread their form of violent Islam. They have enough people who agree with their form of Islam to be relevant. If their form of Islam was so anathema to all Muslims, they wouldn't have enough support to be relevant.

This thread is about ISIS not about Islam. Killing thousands of innocents is Islamic? Please don't spread FUD. ISIS never follows Islam even though they claim they do. If I claim, I am president, it doesn't make me a president. This is the same thing they are doing. I hope you will understand it.

This is insane, I bet if this happened to an old mosque there would be riots and beheadings.

These snackbars need to be taken out, hellfire style.

I hope Bitcointalks resident Islamist come in here and post, is this another miracle of Islam?

Another stupid thing (made by ISIS):

|ISIS destroys ancient ruins of Nimrud, video shows

Islamic State of Iraq and Syria militants hammered, bulldozed and ultimately blew up parts of the ancient Iraqi Assyrian city of Nimrud, destroying a site dating back to the 13th century BC, an online militant video purportedly shows.

The destruction at Nimrud, located near the militant-held city of Mosul, came amid other attacks on antiquity carried out by the group now holding a third of Iraq and neighbouring Syria in its self-declared caliphate. The attacks have horrified archaeologists and UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, who last month called the destruction at Nimrud "a war crime."

The seven-minute video, posted late Saturday, shows bearded militants using sledgehammers, jackhammers and saws to take down huge alabaster reliefs depicting Assyrian kings and deities. A bulldozer brings down walls, while militants fill barrels with explosives and later destroy three separate areas of the site in massive explosions.



More at: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/isis-destroys-ancient-ruins-of-nimrud-video-shows-1.3029687

Can we all just agree, that those demented bastards are just criminals? This is not about politics (otherwise, west wouldnt supply ISIS with weapons), not about religion (toughest foes of ISIS are Kurds), its about old male testosteron and mental disorders. Western converts, that flock to ISIS are virtual definition of angry young males and underachivers. Hilariously enough, Scandinavians see them as "victims of violence" and want to give them care and state help. I´d say burn them all. There is fine line, that should you cross it, would deprive you any second chance. God will judge you and you will get help to see him ASAP.

Thought I would post here:

Muslim, Book 041, Number 6948:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: By Him, in Whose hand is my life, the world would not come to an end until a person would pass by a grave, would roll over it and express the desire that he should be in the place of the occupant of that grave not because of religious reasons but because of this calamity.

Muslim, Book 041, Number 6949:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, a time would come when the murderer would not know why he has committed the murder, and the victim would not know why he has been killed.

^^^ Both is true when we compare to these times, people's killings without reason.


As I am a muslim, if I didn't include it, others will twist or go for discussion about it. So a clear statement was made.