Topic: Israel: Operation Protective Edge - page 27. (Read 14700 times)

But how you build the regalian institution ? make a Palestinian state in UN is not enough, the state need to exist on the ground... I'm in favor of the two state solution but we need a way to build institution or it will be anarchy with terrorist group...

It is unlikely to happen anytime in the near future. Abbas is pretty much the only domestic political power present that wants one.

I think the two-state solution is the only one left. ...look back in the history the always fight,they either come to an agreement and become 1 country either they destroy each other ...which is happening now....

Why don't Hamas agree for a cease fire ? A lot of Palestinian die... Maybe Hamas is happy of it ?

Neither of those options would work either. 162 dead so far, of which 137 are civilian, with 209 civilian homes completely destroyed. Over 1000 people injured so far as well.

If there is less than 1000 Palestinian killed for one Israeli it's a victory in the view of Hamas, they don't take care of Palestinian life...

Israel either needs to triple it's size, or be driven out into the ocean by the Arabs. This half-way shit aint workin.

Both sides feel angry about how the situation played out, and now with the peace talks ruined, there's nothing left to lose with further violence. In some ways, it's not dissimilar to 2000, just before the Second Intifada, when anger over the perceived failure of the Oslo Accords, and the very real failure of the Camp David Summit earlier that year contributed to the tension before the Intifada.

I think this goes back to the reconciliation issue that Palestinians tend to favor at a little over 60% or even higher given some sort of mutual economic relationship. Overall, yes, we do see the hardline largely youth movement that is very militant and wants to drive Israel into the sea, but the vast majority of Palestinians seem to largely just want to be treated as humans and enjoy basic rights and freedoms that they have been increasingly denied since the late 30's to late 40's.

Israel lost some 13 people in total, during the Operation Cast Lead (2008-09), including 10 soldiers. Hamas lost some 1,400+. But I have a feeling that the current conflict is going to be more even-sided. Especially with Israeli hostages in the hands of Hamas.

Bloody Sunday

Israeli soldier reportedly captured, 70 Palestinians dead in worst day of conflict


Footage and more...http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-begins-heaviest-bombardment-yet-in-gaza-sending-residents-fleeing/2014/07/20/578ae882-0fe5-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html

That's an outright lie.
The resource distribution they receive is equal to all other cities out there, whether arab or not. The reason their cities are sub par with non arab ones is their own doing.
Their majors and local representatives allocate the funds elsewhere (corruption and whatnot) and more so, a lot of arabs do not actually pay tax so whatever funds they suppose to get back from their tax they do not receive.

And as far as their public appearance, it's their own doing.
You can barely see any Israeli-arabs supporting the co-existence with Israeli-Jews whereas the ones that wish to spread hate, just hope on a bus and go from one arab city to another and spread the hate there without interference from local folks.
Actually, that was the case until for the first time, a few weeks ago, they were stopped at Akko by local merchants who did not want the riots to cause  Jewish tourists not to come visit.
Hopefully more Arab-Israelis will stand up for the country they live in.

Also, their political representative do nothing for them at the Knesset. All they meddle with is the palestinians and not the people they should represent. Sad.

Israel admitted using it according to the international law. The UN concurred this as well.
And it wasb't dropped or used "on" densely populated areas (that implies that that's was its main intent).
It was used to mask soldiers in order to evacuate them.

I don't think Israel is interested in the solutions you're proposing, be it a one or two state solution. A one state solution would pose a "demographic problem", in that there would be too many Arabs, threatening the Jewishness of the state... A two state solution is also not the solution Israel wants; instead, their tactic has always been to stall negotiations, isolate the occupied territories, and then expand settlements in the West Bank to cover important areas (access to water, farmland, etc), either driving out the Palestinian population or effectively cutting them off from the outside world, creating areas comparable to Bantustans but without the need for the indigenous population, as was the case in South Africa (they largely rely on Chinese labor last I checked).

As for the Arab population already living in Israel, let's not forget that they are still treated as second class citizens, subject to a lot of discrimination, ranging from how they are portrayed in the public discourse, to an imbalance in the distribution of resources that leaves many Arab communities impoverished, and with limited access to education and healthcare.



Attacking the source doesn't disprove the accusations. Israel initially denied, but eventually had to admit to using white phosphorous rounds in Gaza in the 2008/2009 war, on densely populated areas, even ending up hitting a UN compound with them. In relation to depleted uranium and DIME rounds, it is widely believed that Israel used these types of weapons since at least 2006, and the cancer inducing effects of these types of ammunition have been studied for over a decade; Iraqi civilians, for example, are still suffering from these effects with the depleted uranium rounds used by the US.

lol.

Iranian news as a source? Get real.

'Israel drops cancer-inducing bombs on Gazans'

Video and more...http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/13/371162/israel-drops-cancerinducing-bombs-on-gaza/

Israel is a competitive country, if Arab vote for socialism there will be a civil war...

That is a big part of the issue. You have committed extremists with a history of violence as the potential government. When they don't like the way negotiations go they blow up buses filled with civilians and start launching rockets into population centers. I think the Palestinians would be better off as citizens of Israel with full political rights. There are a lot of Arabs all ready living rather peacefully in places like Tel Aviv.

the job will never be finish, Israel should bunkerise themselves (advanced Iron beam, wall...) and live peacefully, but this will take few years and sadly they need this type of intervention now.

I hope Israel kicks Hamas and Jihad out this time and finish the job.

There is already a two state solution. The British mandate of Jordan was divided in to two. The Eastern Bank of the Jordan river became the Hashemite Kingdom, ruled by the Arabs and most of the Western bank became Israel, ruled by the Jews.