Topic: It is bad to use AI to help my post quality improve? (Read 601 times)

To simplify, Grammarly is okay for everyone on the forum, never heard any bad words about those who use it. AI bots are often used to cheat and abuse, many don't like any of their usage on the forum. Why to choose the tool which is not okay for many? It is suspicious.

Well, I wasn't aware that it had already been invented in 2018. My lack of knowledge about this shows that I had not experienced using AI tools at that time. My curiosity arose when I saw Nutilda's thread, which was created just this year, so I'm relatively new to AI when it comes to knowledge.

But wasn't AI back then as sophisticated as it is now? I'm just wondering because this AI thing has only become more popular recently, this year.

This is the thread ;
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62060187

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I presume the language improvements you mentioned involve me using an AI to work on my posts, as if I'm allowing AI to generate posts for me. If you were to review all my responses, you would likely understand that I'm primarily interested in grammar correction.

To simplify:

Grammarly is used to correct grammar.
AI is used to correct grammar.

Both serve the same function.  FOR-ME

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It seems that the posts of other members have gone off-topic. It is no longer related to the discussion. I should have closed this thread when I announced that I had already found the answer I was looking for.

A guy who shows in this topic that his level in English is not really bad, but who still forces the idea that ChatGPT could be used for language improvement. I suspect that we probably have here the face of a farmer who is upset with many tagged accounts and who is trying to make majority doubt about fighting with AI posting.

AI legitimization is what farmers are very interested in. There are many alt accounts which trashed forum with AI posts and they want to do so further. So they are bringing up this topic again and again.

AI posting should not be tolerated. The total majority of forum users never use it and prefer to communicate with real people and not with hidden bots.

Before you write something, it would be wise to check the historical facts, because what you claim is simply not true. Each of the posts in question could have been created with the help of AI, because at that time they existed and were publicly available.


That's true (for now), and while I agree that one should always be careful when someone is accused of using AI for their posts, in some cases it's even more obvious that someone is using just such tools - especially if it's beginners, or when the quality of someone's posts improves dramatically overnight.

Take a look you'll always find polarising topics in the forum. There's users from all over the world who've been posting here for years. They shouldn't be criminalised if they've got a certain point of view or because they've raised a sensitive topic that isn't right.

AI isn't a sensitive topic so it shouldn't be treated that way. It's going to get ppl banned so it shouldn't be used.

I have, that is why I proved my point not with 1 of your posts, but 3.


ChatGPT-4 definitely was not the first language model. OpenAI released GPT-3 in 2020.


We have a whole topic, which consider those detectors quite accurate, because a lot of AI generated posts were tracked thanks to them.

Nobody need Bitcointalk, but I get your point and you have right forum is to meet other people and communicate with other humans not with a robot.
But I  can almost guarantee you that you don't have anything to worry about, I highly doubt that people using AI will take over the forum, at least as so long we got the base-community here that not using AI and the good people that report users that using AI.
All creed to you guys that doing that, it's actually something I really appreciate and most important, it actually make the forum to a much better place! Thanks a lot for taking your time to do this!  

Thanks for this kind of clarification. Now, these are the kinds of replies that I find very objective and something that could benefit the forum generally. I don't like it when other posters treat me like a criminal just because I raised a "sensitive" topic.

They immediately jump to the conclusion that when someone talks about AI, they're already using AI to create posts. I think we should be stricter when it comes to something that involves money, like accusations of scams (thanks to those who are so active), rather than these mere conversations. I understand their concerns, they want to keep the forum from being flooded with AI-generated content or AI Diarrhea as Loycve mentioned. However, that wasn't the point of this thread. Personally, I'm not naive; I know that letting an AI handle posting could lead to a ban of the account. I was just looking for a little help from AI with grammar and minor corrections.

It's changed now. AI's got practical use if you're trying to improve language levels. How's it going to help ppl if they're using it to make posts in forums.

It's helping your German posts but does adding AI disclaimers cause a defence for avoiding a ban? If it isn't supposed to be used you've got to be careful. If posts get identified for using AI you're risking a ban so even if I needed I wouldn't use it. I can't understand why ppl would use AI in forum posts.

You've oversimplified it. Because of these types of grammar/capitalization errors, I would never assume this was an AI-generated post:


Just about every AI detector gives false positives at some point, so its a good idea to check multiple detectors. Some are better than others.

For the text in question, here are the results from all the detectors:

Sapling.ai - 100% fake (occasionally produces false positives)
Hivemoderation (the most reliable detector) - 4.7% likely to contain AI Generated Text
Copyleaks - AI content detected (this one no longer provides a % so I'm not sure it should be used anymore)
Writer.com - 28% human-generated content
Writefull.com - 65% likely this comes from GPT-3, GPT-4 or ChatGPT (not a high enough score, threshold for reporting based on a detector should be 70%)

So yes, based on the results of Hivemoderation and Writer.com, this post could be reported as AI-generated. Except for one thing which you mentioned earlier: the post was written before ChatGPT was released.

The other way to combat the false detection problem is to only submit reports if 3 or more of the author's posts are highly likely to be written by AI based on detector results. If its a one-off thing, it probably shouldn't be reported (unless its clearly spam).

You're not quite getting the point. I was referring to the post that was published before AI was even invented. It raises a valid question: how can AI detect that it's created by AI when it was made before AI even arrived? It doesn't quite add up, you know? I think posts created on or after the AI era need to be reviewed, as it's obvious that posts from before the AI era had nothing to do with AI. Hope that clarifies things.

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Please don't make it "The point is, AI detectors aren't that accurate so don't fully rely on it" as a general statement as I was referring to a specific reply.

That still can be done if you put the post that you want to reply to on ChatGPT and it will generate an AI answer for that, however, it can be very easily detected because there is a lot of difference between a human written post and the AI written post.


This is what the majority of the people think and they start to use AI to write posts for them and think that since AI tools aren't accurate, they won't be caught.
AI tools just prove that the content is AI written, it can be detected with the naked eye too.
Remember You are talking about the tools to detect AI, people can judge whether the content is written by humans or AI, just by reading the post.

Not only that post, but all the other posts he cites, 3 in total, were written before November 30, 2022 which makes it even more ridiculous.


And I would add: lest you end up making a fool of yourself.

I said it from the beginning in the debates about it in the forum. To me this is being approached wrongly, as the only debate I see is how to ban from the forum what is just another part of our lives that is changing the world, just as it happened with the Internet. It is clear that generating posts massively with ChatGPT and passing them off as your own creation is not what I would consider a good use of the forum, but using it to collect background information or even using the information it writes, always quoting, I think would be reasonable uses.

In that sense I would recommend you to use it as long as it is not for copy paste and always bearing in mind that you are going to have a lot of inquisitors reviewing your posts as the enlightened one who has reviewed posts of yours that were written before the launch of ChatGPT.

I'd like to highlight a particular point here to show that your AI checking mechanism is incorrect. There's no valid argument in this case, and it seems like you haven't investigated thoroughly before making your post.

The post you mentioned was created on "July 25, 2022, 02:20:35 PM," and based on my research, ChatGPT (the only AI I'm aware of) was launched on November 30, 2022. So, how could a verifier predict that my post is AI-generated when it was created before the AI was introduced?

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The point is, AI detectors aren't that accurate so don't fully rely on it.

My Spanish and my German are brutal. My English is okay. I tend to type too fast and not correct my mistakes. With google translate and AI I sometime will write in the German section.

But I am very clear that I am doing that.

Remember the old good days when people who wanted to learn a language was supposed to study and practice it, to go along trial and error?
That was my case, though.

At first glance, I would say that using AI to "improve" your English is not actually doing any good to your skills, because you won't learn as much as you would if you made mistakes and then corrected them. On the other hand, I am not anyone studied in language acquisition to tell people how they are supposed to learn a language. I am not sure on the status (when comes to the rules) of using AI that way. At minimum, I (and others) would appreciate if you included a short footnote in the post you made using AI, so people around here won't feel deceived or won't incorrectly think you are a spammer.

Just my two sats, by the way. I hope your English only improves with time.  

I do not mind a non native speaking person using english.

I also would not mind he or she doing the post in their own words and in AI words.

Like so
1) your own attempt
2) AI correcting your attempt.

Any other way of using AI is pretty much a pointless method of deception.

Both showing both ways is fine by me.

We're using the forum so we've got some rules we're expected to use or else we're responsible for being ejected. If using AI's going to result in users getting a ban we shouldn't use AI that's it. I didn't read official announcement so I can't say it's a rule.

"one should lay credence to where one gets one's information if it's not originally from one." Here I agree with you 100% but...

If it's a rule that using AI isn't allowed then AI should not be used period, I didn't know it was a rule so then I apologize also I don't support people using AI or running amok but i respect that everyone is different.
But if it wasn't a "rule" just opinions from people then it should not matter even that it would not look good for the user that using AI, in the end it's up to us what we want to spend our time on, right?  
And I don't agree with you here my friend. "AI is borrowing someone's idea and making it look like it's yours" - I think it's a way to help yourself express yourself if you maybe are bad in English or bad to be able to speak and express yourself the right way (I have no idea I never used this AI). The idea is already in your head, but AI is helping you making the idea to text, so I don't think it's that big of a deal, at least if you don't using it for running "amok", cheat with singature campaign and stuff like this, but this forum got good people here so if an account would act that way it would be noticed and tagged very fast. But if it's not allowed then it should not be used period.
And what regards what the forum wants, you mean the members of the forum? The member of this forum is individuals and everyone want different, even if I understand your point and I agree with the most you said I still think we need to accept that people just are different and some people have some obstacle's, even me I am not 100% a English speaker or not so good to express myself in the right way, but I am trying my best and using Google Translate when I need to find a word for my posts

Have a great week buddie. Best wishes from BabyBandit.  

If English isn't your major language you should've posted in locals. I don't know why you'd consider using AI to enhance post quality. If the post gets tagged with AI detected allegations you'll be considered for ban. You don't need AI for post improvements.

If learning's the reason he wants to use AI for posts it won't work to benefit him.