It is bad to use AI to help my post quality improve? - page 2.

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So I went plagium.com

and tested my last few posts.

Quote from: philipma1957 on October 14, 2023, 11:43:43 PM

Quote from: Biodom on October 14, 2023, 10:54:16 PM

What a weird market..

Of note: all those main street economists posting random numbers possibly don't have a clue.
Why?
in the summer of 2017 when bitcoin briefly dipped below $1000, NOBODY have said that it would be $20k few months later.
In October 2022, NOBODY said that NVDA will be 350% higher in a few months.

TL;DR Nobody knows anything about the future.

the last reply :

Yeah but I am prepped and ready for up ⬆️ down or sideways.

Reads no plagiarism

but yes to AI Detector.

But the reality is I wrote it and it is exactly how I am hedged with buys sells holds and mining. at this time.

Now I generated over 42000 posts maybe more like 50,000 posts.

some were merged and some were deleted.

I would also guess I have written shit all over the internet about similar topics.

andandtech
macrumors
parts-express forum
evga forum
Mac mini forum

all have more than 1000 posts from me.

bitcointalk has more than 42,000 posts it is a ton of info.

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Don't post using AI with the aim of improving the quality of the post, that's bad because whatever you post doesn't come from your thoughts and knowledge. If you want to improve your knowledge, then study and read more even if your English is not good.

I'm also not a native English speaker, but I try my best to write something that other people can understand well. You can also reach the level of like a native English speaker if you really improve your language skills, so don't take shortcuts. Learn a lot and maintain your confidence.

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Quote from: jhonjhon on October 13, 2023, 10:40:11 PM

I've noticed some posts relating to AI-generated content, so I'd like to ask: Is it against the forum's rules to use AI-generated content? For example, I want to compose a sentence or comment on a topic where I'd like to share my knowledge. However, since English is not my native language, sometimes what I'm thinking might not translate well in writing. I find AI to be a helpful tool for improving my writing, and I believe it could also make the moderators' job easier.

To what extent is it acceptable to use AI to enhance regular forum posts?

I enjoy creating my posts myself not mind it might not meet the standard of many people and it didn't bother me in as much as they receive the message understandably. Based on where everyone is coming from our English standards cannot be same while you continuing doing it yourself you'll definitely blend and improve your tense with time.

But depending on AI to create and arrange posts for you because you aren't a native of English language is just absolutely bullshit because is someone else's work not and not yours that's why it's mainly regarded as plagiarism. Learning using AI isn't bad cause I also use it to learn about subjects I don't know about' however, using it to generate post and claiming author is not same as learning using AI.

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Jolly? I think I've heard that name before. hmm

Quote from: jhonjhon on October 13, 2023, 10:40:11 PM

To what extent is it acceptable to use AI to enhance regular forum posts?

I was helped by Google Translate to write in English. I think currently Google Translate has good translation capabilities and I'm sure other members can understand the meaning of my writing

Talking about the quality of your posts is not what tool you use, but rather your own abilities as the account owner. The best way to improve the quality of posts is to increase your knowledge, so read a lot... There are lots of cheap books out there, and now there are also lots of free PDFs that you can download.

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Quote from: jhonjhon on October 13, 2023, 10:40:11 PM

To what extent is it acceptable to use AI to enhance regular forum posts?

Definitely not to this extent. I think it is not acceptable. And I believe many users, who make regular reports to this thread would agree with me.

Quote from: jhonjhon on October 14, 2023, 03:34:47 AM

But I'd like to repeat it again, I'm not using AI to post for me.

Really? I only checked the last page of your posts.

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Quote from: jhonjhon on August 14, 2022, 10:56:12 AM

China is known to be a technologically advanced country, therefore it goes without saying that they will benefit from cryptocurrency as it becomes more and more popular. China has already benefited greatly from the bitcoin industry, and since they want to keep things separate, I believe this is the reason they have stopped investing in it. That is why China has banned cryptocurrency use, whereas Japan has made it legal.

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I believe that governments are creating other digital currencies because they want to control everyone and because doing so will give them access to monitor and manage whatever it is that they want to do with that money, unlike with bitcoin, which gives them no such access. Since bitcoin is decentralized and its widespread usage will reduce government control, that's why they refuse to embrace it.

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Quote from: jhonjhon on October 13, 2023, 11:30:54 PM

Quote from: mk4 on October 13, 2023, 11:16:33 PM

On the top of my head: go use AI when trying to learn how to write properly/legibly, but don't use AI to create your replies. Because are you actually learning if the AI writes for you even if you provide the ideas?

Obviously, that's not what I intend to do. I don't use AI to compose my responses. Instead, I create a draft of my post and have AI review it for grammar corrections and punctuation. Is it too much to ask for this tool?

Use grammarly for such kind of use and learn from it. You don't need to use AI just for grammar, punctuation use because sometimes AI doesn't sounds like grammatically correct, well, based on my use of chatgpt especially when creating article contents sample.

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Hello Leo! You can still win.

Op, saying that English is not your native language is not an excuse enough to start using AI to generate posts in the forum. To answer your question, it is wrong and against the forum rules (although not from theymos).
You can improve written English with some grammar enhancing apps like grammarly. I do not see AI as a post enhancing tool rather as an artificial brain. AI will make you to stop using your senses. And still will not improve your grammar because it is the AI that is generating texts and not you.
Imagine where AI will make decisions against your wish and you wouldn't care because the tenses and punctuations are well placed.

Quote from: libert19 on October 14, 2023, 11:45:39 PM

Anyway, I have tried to use AI and sometimes sentences come out so perfect I find it off-putting. Better write without using such tools.

Exactly my take. The tenses might be perfect but the conversation will not flow in that thread since the idea is coming from a third party who is not directly involved in the conversation.

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Quote from: BabyBandit on October 14, 2023, 03:46:32 AM

Go for it if your want, if people get annoyed it's their problem and not yours and they should change focus in life.

Sure, go for it and see what happens Wink

Quote from: irfan_pak10 on October 14, 2023, 04:41:46 PM

Lately, I'm getting vibes that someone is going to create a script that can write AI-generated answers under any post from the content available on this forum or from the internet. Honestly, It will be better for posts that were answered hundreds of times before Cheesy

Yes well, its true that automated questions deserve automated responses. But the answer should be posted like this:

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This response has been auto-generated.

Hello!

You are opening a new thread to ask a question that has been answered 46 times on this forum before. Here is what ChatGPT reveals on the subject:

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The last Bitcoin is projected to be mined around the year 2140. Bitcoin has a capped supply of 21 million coins, and it uses a process called "halving" approximately every four years. During a halving event, the reward that miners receive for confirming transactions and adding them to the blockchain is cut in half. This process continues until the maximum supply of 21 million coins is reached.

The Bitcoin network started in 2009 with a reward of 50 bitcoins per block. Halving events have occurred approximately every four years, reducing the block reward by half. The most recent halving took place in May 2020, reducing the reward to 6.25 bitcoins per block. The next halving is expected to occur in 2024, which will reduce the reward to 3.125 bitcoins per block. This process will continue until around 2140, when the final Bitcoin is projected to be mined, and no new bitcoins will be created as block rewards.

It's worth noting that the exact date of the last Bitcoin being mined can't be predicted with absolute precision because it depends on factors like the rate of block creation, which can vary. However, the year 2140 is the widely accepted estimate based on the current rules of the Bitcoin network.

Whether the entire post is automated or not, any text from ChatGPT should be placed in quotes. This should be standard, rather than trying to pass its text off as your own, which is dishonest because you are leading the reader to believe it was written using your own brain.

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Have created similar topic a while back, you can see it here.

Anyway, I have tried to use AI and sometimes sentences come out so perfect I find it off-putting. Better write without using such tools.

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Quote from: jhonjhon on October 13, 2023, 10:40:11 PM

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To what extent is it acceptable to use AI to enhance regular forum posts?

Depends on what you mean by 'improve your post quality', if you use AI to generate whole/additional content for your post, than I don't think that's acceptable, AI generate the content by crawling in the internet and that might lead to Plagiarism. But if what you mean by improve your post quality is helping you with grammar and choice of word, and the whole content is based on your own thought, then it's acceptable, or at least you wouldn't do any plagiarism. However, even with not so perfect grammar and choice of word, as long as your post is understandable the reader won't mind.

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Quote from: jhonjhon on October 13, 2023, 10:40:11 PM

I've noticed some posts relating to AI-generated content, so I'd like to ask: Is it against the forum's rules to use AI-generated content? For example, I want to compose a sentence or comment on a topic where I'd like to share my knowledge. However, since English is not my native language, sometimes what I'm thinking might not translate well in writing. I find AI to be a helpful tool for improving my writing, and I believe it could also make the moderators' job easier.

From everything you have explained, I would want to tell you that English is not the native language of many of us on this forum, and yet, the majority of some dedicated and reputable members of the forum are not using AI to make their posts better, but I believe they might have learned from other ways to be better. English might not be your native tongue, but you can try your best to always explain your points or opinions in a way that someone reading them can still understand the message you are trying to convey. From what I understand so far on the forum, if you are using AI to make your post, you might not really be taken that seriously as someone who is able to think and be productive in their opinions. Just be real on the forum and don't try to impress, but only be at your best.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 14, 2023, 04:16:23 AM

If I wanted to read AI diarrhea, I wouldn't need Bitcointalk. I want to read from humans, that's what forums were created for.
What's next? Only AIs posting and only AIs reading? What's the point?

Lately, I'm getting vibes that someone is going to create a script that can write AI-generated answers under any post from the content available on this forum or from the internet. Honestly, It will be better for posts that were answered hundreds of times before Cheesy

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Quote from: jhonjhon on October 13, 2023, 10:40:11 PM

As you can see in my profile, I was tagged by "actmyname" as a member of the spammers list. Consequently, I've been considering that perhaps the quality of my posts doesn't meet the forum's standards. Now, I know you might wonder, "Where have you been? It's been a long time since I've seen you" (referring to my account's activity). But don't worry about that. Let's focus on the main topic, which is not just about me but also for other users who want to enhance their writing.

I've noticed some posts relating to AI-generated content, so I'd like to ask: Is it against the forum's rules to use AI-generated content? For example, I want to compose a sentence or comment on a topic where I'd like to share my knowledge. However, since English is not my native language, sometimes what I'm thinking might not translate well in writing. I find AI to be a helpful tool for improving my writing, and I believe it could also make the moderators' job easier.

To what extent is it acceptable to use AI to enhance regular forum posts?

Most users use it as a source of plagiarization, and they mostly copy a sentence from Google and paste it into AI, since the AI change and rephrase this sentence where some users further put this sentence or paragraph in a website e.g. Dupli checker which checks the plagiarism for them. First, they didn't have any knowledge about the question asked here at BitcoinTalk, so they just google it and copied that from Google, which I can say is simply plagiarism and plagiarism is against the forum rules.

Also, most users do it to write Articles, while writing articles and other things if a person takes some help then I don't think it is a bad idea. But writing the full article through AI is not smart work. But it is just copying from one place and pasting it to another place, which I think one should not do.

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Block halving is coming.

I think there's no problem with using AI to correct your post's grammar just make sure that you didn't make posts plagiarized like the other said it's against the forum rules.
And take note if the posts you write are fully AI-generated then you might get tagged by DT members if someone reports your post as AI-generated.

If I were you like others said in previous posts above use Grammarly because as you said before you just need to correct your grammar and punctuation then why not use Grammarly? Unless you need something more that Grammarly can't provide?

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Quote from: Lucius on October 14, 2023, 09:35:48 AM

From what can be seen in various threads in which posts are published that are suspected to be the product of AI,

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LoL, as you know, I myself indulge in the pleasure of generative AI, and I am using on a number of threads.
Examples can be found here, here and here.
I hope the spirit of the posts is clear and no one is going to ban me!

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Quote from: fillippone on October 14, 2023, 06:01:11 AM

AI writing tool is a very powerful tool, yet the tool is still incomplete.
You know the 80-20 ratio?
It takes 20% of time to give 80% of the information.
But it takes the 80% of time giving the last 20% of the information, that is indeed what makes the difference.
AI tools are really good at the first step, still they are not good enough for the last one, that is the one that makes the difference.
Thanks also to linking to my old post!

Honestly, when you were the first to write about it, it seemed to me that it was something quite harmless that would be very easily detected and that it would be treated as plagiarism on the forum. Since then, AI Chat has really improved, so today we read how various books, pictures or even movie scripts are being investigated due to the suspicion that they are not the work of humans.

From what can be seen in various threads in which posts are published that are suspected to be the product of AI, it seems to me that this thing has spread like a plague on the forum and that only a small part manages to be detected, and an even smaller part results with a punishment.

Quote from: fillippone on October 14, 2023, 06:01:11 AM

Thanks also to linking to my old post!

You're welcome - , because it is good to remember that the discussion about this problem existed years ago, and I think that things were already quite clear when it came to the use of this technology on the forum.

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Quote from: jhonjhon on October 14, 2023, 01:46:10 AM

So AI tool can't be use to function like Grammarly?

In my experience, there are a lot of wrong/unnecessary words that the AI generates that could give you wrong grammar. Grammarly could improve your post.

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Quote from: Lucius on October 14, 2023, 05:56:58 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on October 14, 2023, 04:16:23 AM

If I wanted to read AI diarrhea, I wouldn't need Bitcointalk. I want to read from humans, that's what forums were created for.
What's next? Only AIs posting and only AIs reading? What's the point?

AI has spread so much into every pore of society that it is quite normal for some to use it on this forum as well, but that is nothing new because it did not start happening yesterday, it has been present for years. Who remembers that @fillippone started a discussion on that topic back in 2020?

Although artificial intelligence brings some benefits to today's society, anyone who uses it in a way to create some content and then presents it as his own work is just an ordinary plagiarist.

At the same time, I don't think that the OP belongs to that group of people if he just wants to correct his spelling mistakes, but why use AI if he already mentions some tools that can do it without AI interfering in the whole thing?

AI writing tool is a very powerful tool, yet the tool is still incomplete.
You know the 80-20 ratio?
It takes 20% of time to give 80% of the information.
But it takes the 80% of time giving the last 20% of the information, that is indeed what makes the difference.
AI tools are really good at the first step, still they are not good enough for the last one, that is the one that makes the difference.
Thanks also to linking to my old post!

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Quote from: BabyBandit on October 14, 2023, 03:46:32 AM

I don't really understand why people get so offended and care so much about using AI or not....

You know what's strange, when they get a neutral or a negative tag for using AI for posting, they are being very upset and in many cases stop posting or try to remove a tag. Right, moderators rarely ban for AI posting, so those who use it risk mainly to get a tag. If a tag and posts deletion is not a problem, then why not? Let's wait until it will become a huge problem for forum and there will be a huge clean up, right?

LoyceV said that right: if I'd like to talk to chat bot, I'd talked to it directly. No need in cheating me and passing off bot words as user own ones.

Quote from: Rikafip on October 14, 2023, 01:58:41 AM

There are some known forum members that admitted using Google translate (despite knowing English) in order to express themselves better so that woulnd't been something we haven't seen before.

It is a very common thing. Many users use online translators because they are self-doubt in their level of English. I can usually see that someone has very good English in general and despite that they make so silly mistakes, that it shows that it is definitely a result of online translator. Not a big problem as it is anyway an idea of the one who wrote it and it is still understandable. I guess their grammar is usually better than mine as I write by myself and my English is so far from that of native speakers! Grin

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 14, 2023, 04:16:23 AM

If I wanted to read AI diarrhea, I wouldn't need Bitcointalk. I want to read from humans, that's what forums were created for.
What's next? Only AIs posting and only AIs reading? What's the point?

AI has spread so much into every pore of society that it is quite normal for some to use it on this forum as well, but that is nothing new because it did not start happening yesterday, it has been present for years. Who remembers that @fillippone started a discussion on that topic back in 2020?

Although artificial intelligence brings some benefits to today's society, anyone who uses it in a way to create some content and then presents it as his own work is just an ordinary plagiarist.

At the same time, I don't think that the OP belongs to that group of people if he just wants to correct his spelling mistakes, but why use AI if he already mentions some tools that can do it without AI interfering in the whole thing?

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