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Quote from: xzone on January 21, 2023, 05:33:56 AM

A few years ago they were suspended for playing in a Serie B. Juventus had similar experiences in this regard before

And they were found not guilty years after.
Juventus also at the time requested damages of half a billion euros and the judges declared they were unable to judge.

Only in Italy judges can declare themselves incapable of judging.

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Quote from: bering on January 21, 2023, 03:58:12 AM

As a host Fiorentina have to utilized Torino situations that after spend 4 latest matches without the winning results i think Torino is not in the good shape and although Fiorentina condition also looks similar but at least Fiorentina recent performance has slightly better than Torino and during this season Fiorentina home matches records were quite good that from total 8 matches at their home ground in Serie A Fiorentina only lose twice and it from Inter and Lazio so i assume Torino is weaker than those teams so Fiorentina shouldn't have any problem to earn 3 points from Torino today and if Fiorentina successfully win they can overtake 8th position from Torino

Based on their recent form and home game histories, Fiorentina should overcome Torino. Torino's struggles favor Fiorentina, the host. Fiorentina outplayed Torino, who had lost four straight. Fiorentina's 8-2 home record in Serie A this season says volumes. Fiorentina's losses against Inter and Lazio showed their ability to battle Torino for eighth place. If Fiorentina can use this game to finally win, it will be exciting.

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Quote from: GiftedMAN on January 21, 2023, 01:04:38 AM

Juventus is not a new team in Italy not to know the rules and they know the punishment when any club go against the rule

You are misinformed.
There is not a single rule that exists in football to give a suggestive value to a player.

We don't know the motivation yet but if that is the case they invented a rule to punish them (as they did in 2006 where they were found not guilty years after), it is a "mafia" thing.

We got already a declaration from 1-2 weeks ago about the punishment, and it is not over yet, next month they will have more points probable.

It is a political thing.

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Quote from: hahay on January 21, 2023, 12:29:02 AM

Does anyone know about the deduction of 15 points for Juventus, so that Juventus are currently in 10th place with 22 points. At least after I searched on Google I got information about "Juventus received a sanction in the form of a 15 point deduction due to a case of falsifying transfer values and capital gains. The sanction was handed down by the Federal Court of Appeal in a trial in Rome".
With this sanction, of course, Juventus are out of the title race this season and I think that is a very regrettable incident, because Juventus have come back to good form at this moment.

I read this news this morning and it's true that Juventus received a 15 point deduction penalty which made Juventus have to be willing to drop to 10th place in the Serie A standings. they still cause problems for the club. When all the players are in good form but have to face problems like this it's as if their efforts are meaningless. I don't know what happened after this, talk of competing for the Scudetto this season seems to have disappeared and for the next season's UCL zone it seems they have no hope anymore.

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Quote from: mendace on January 20, 2023, 06:00:38 PM

Juventus were penalized 15 points by the sentence, now the championship can be said to be totally over, do you think it is the right choice or would you have chosen other penalties? I think it's fair as a penalty, even if the championship has never really started for them this year.

How fair the penalty was is debatable, but after today it has become almost impossible for Juventus to be among the top 4 teams in the league and qualify for the Champions League. I don't think the team can recover after today, it will be a very difficult process for them.
A few years ago they were suspended for playing in a Serie B. Juventus had similar experiences in this regard before

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Quote from: MinoRaiola on January 21, 2023, 04:38:53 AM

SSC Napoli have to play US Salernitana today and I think it's a similar game as in the cup against US Cremonese that they won't lose on penalties today Cheesy

. The motivation after the cup defeat is a little lower, but the championship and the Champions League are still there. Salternitana is better than Cremonese, they have already won 4 matches in the league, but none since 7 games. In the last game they let in 8 goals, how will it end today? The coach Nicola Davide was fired after the game and brought back 2 days later. Maybe nobondy understands that. What happens if he loses again today?

Salernitana became the team that conceded the most goals with 35 conceded. this is a very bad defense even though their current position is also quite safe from the relegation zone if you look at the points they got.
but against Napoli, it's something different. Napoli is a team that scores a lot of goals. it will be quite interesting when these two meet. I didn't expect Napoli to be held back like they were in the Italian Cup match. Napoli can be very strong like when they destroyed Juventus.

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Quote from: Lillominato89 on January 21, 2023, 05:07:36 AM

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this year the Italian championship is very competitive, leaving aside Napoli who are massacring everyone, from second position to seventh position the points of difference are very few, i

Yes, it is undeniable that positions in 2 to 6 are very competitive. Moreover, the pin is only very small and adrift. But actually, this will not mean that much if they are still in the top 4 because they still enter the UCL. As for Rome and Atalanta, they must continue to fight so they can take over positions above them so can move up positions. but of course, it won't be easy. so maybe their target is to get into the Champions League. Because if the target is to become the holder of the Serie A trophy, maybe this will be a little more difficult because of the significant difference in points with Napoli.

after Juventus was heavily penalized yesterday with 15 points less in the standings, the discourse that applies to the race for places in the European cups changes a bit, now Roma and Atalanta will have one more chance to be able to obtain a placement that allows them leads to the Champions League next year, among other things the punishments for the facts against Juventus didn't end up with only 15 points but there is also talk of higher penalties

But on the other hand, fortunately at this time they were only reduced by 15 points in this matter and did not go to Serie B next season because even though their points were reduced their position was still in the highest truth and it was still quite good.
Now clearly with Juventus points today, several other clubs have the current hope to fight for positions in the top 4.

But on the other hand I saw several other reports about Juventus who were preparing to appeal about this sentence to Collegio in accordance with the provisions of the Sports Court Code because they felt this could still be considered.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on January 20, 2023, 08:46:21 PM

Quote from: Lillominato89 on January 17, 2023, 07:58:49 PM

Quote from: Rengga Jati on January 17, 2023, 06:15:10 PM

-snip-

this year the Italian championship is very competitive, leaving aside Napoli who are massacring everyone, from second position to seventh position the points of difference are very few, i

Yes, it is undeniable that positions in 2 to 6 are very competitive. Moreover, the pin is only very small and adrift. But actually, this will not mean that much if they are still in the top 4 because they still enter the UCL. As for Rome and Atalanta, they must continue to fight so they can take over positions above them so can move up positions. but of course, it won't be easy. so maybe their target is to get into the Champions League. Because if the target is to become the holder of the Serie A trophy, maybe this will be a little more difficult because of the significant difference in points with Napoli.

after Juventus was heavily penalized yesterday with 15 points less in the standings, the discourse that applies to the race for places in the European cups changes a bit, now Roma and Atalanta will have one more chance to be able to obtain a placement that allows them leads to the Champions League next year, among other things the punishments for the facts against Juventus didn't end up with only 15 points but there is also talk of higher penalties

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on January 21, 2023, 04:03:53 AM

Quote from: mendace on January 20, 2023, 06:00:38 PM

Juventus were penalized 15 points by the sentence, now the championship can be said to be totally over, do you think it is the right choice or would you have chosen other penalties? I think it's fair as a penalty, even if the championship has never really started for them this year.

I saw that on the news last night and still can't believe this penalty for Juventus because the 15 points are a lot for them. Juventus was fighting for the second position in the league and they were even near to reach but after this 15 points penalty, they should pray for reaching the champions cup, and from what I can see in the league this will be hard for them. Also, I'm sure there is a negative atmosphere in Juventus and even between players which can make the situation even harder for them for this season.

It was a rude shock to me as well, but FIFA has proven to be reliable again, I don't like the nonsense that some clubs are doing. Even aside from football clubs, there are a lot of companies that are cutting corners thinking they are smart because no one is checking/regulating them properly. FIFA are good and strict in regulations, and a sanction like this would make others beware of sharp practices.

Docking them 15 points because of artificially boosting their balance sheet through transfer is not so bad though since it's against the rules.

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SSC Napoli have to play US Salernitana today and I think it's a similar game as in the cup against US Cremonese that they won't lose on penalties today Cheesy

. The motivation after the cup defeat is a little lower, but the championship and the Champions League are still there. Salternitana is better than Cremonese, they have already won 4 matches in the league, but none since 7 games. In the last game they let in 8 goals, how will it end today? The coach Nicola Davide was fired after the game and brought back 2 days later. Maybe nobondy understands that. What happens if he loses again today?

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Quote from: judas on January 20, 2023, 11:11:07 AM

One of the attention getting matches of this match week is Lazio - Milan.

Milan are the favourite side for the win first of all and there is no surprising thing about that. However I don't like Milan's defense in the recent times. It has been so vulnerable recently that it has cost them quite much in their recent matches. They lost even a title chance not a long time ago. Milan should do something about this. Maybe they can sign new defenders or create some new strategies. Pioli has an important responsibility about it. Otherwise Lazio are also one of the productive teams and they can benefit from this situation very well.

Lazio are not in the level of form they were a season or two seasons ago, Milan have a better form this time than Lazio so they have higher probability of winning this match but only if they play very well and take their chances because if they put up an average performance it might just be difficult for them to win comfortably they might even get a surprise loss if they don't be at their best in the game.

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Quote from: mendace on January 20, 2023, 06:00:38 PM

Juventus were penalized 15 points by the sentence, now the championship can be said to be totally over, do you think it is the right choice or would you have chosen other penalties? I think it's fair as a penalty, even if the championship has never really started for them this year.

I saw that on the news last night and still can't believe this penalty for Juventus because the 15 points are a lot for them. Juventus was fighting for the second position in the league and they were even near to reach but after this 15 points penalty, they should pray for reaching the champions cup, and from what I can see in the league this will be hard for them. Also, I'm sure there is a negative atmosphere in Juventus and even between players which can make the situation even harder for them for this season.

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As a host Fiorentina have to utilized Torino situations that after spend 4 latest matches without the winning results i think Torino is not in the good shape and although Fiorentina condition also looks similar but at least Fiorentina recent performance has slightly better than Torino and during this season Fiorentina home matches records were quite good that from total 8 matches at their home ground in Serie A Fiorentina only lose twice and it from Inter and Lazio so i assume Torino is weaker than those teams so Fiorentina shouldn't have any problem to earn 3 points from Torino today and if Fiorentina successfully win they can overtake 8th position from Torino

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Quote from: hahay on January 21, 2023, 12:29:02 AM

Does anyone know about the deduction of 15 points for Juventus, so that Juventus are currently in 10th place with 22 points. At least after I searched on Google I got information about "Juventus received a sanction in the form of a 15 point deduction due to a case of falsifying transfer values and capital gains. The sanction was handed down by the Federal Court of Appeal in a trial in Rome".
With this sanction, of course, Juventus are out of the title race this season and I think that is a very regrettable incident, because Juventus have come back to good form at this moment.

It's related to the pluzvalenza case. That's not only the sanction faced by juventus. Juventus directors were also getting sanctioned by the court too. It seems like juventus directors were doing shady things.

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Juventus' current Sporting Director, Federico Cherubini, faces a ban of one year and four months and Pavel Nedved will be suspended for eight months.

Source: https://www.marca.com/en/football/serie-a/2023/01/20/63cb020e46163f12908b457f.html

Juventus has no chance to play in the champion league next season. Im so happy to see that happened and that means a competitor for napoli already wiped out by the court. lol.

Napoli will be winning the current season for season.

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Quote from: hahay on January 21, 2023, 12:29:02 AM

Does anyone know about the deduction of 15 points for Juventus, so that Juventus are currently in 10th place with 22 points. At least after I searched on Google I got information about "Juventus received a sanction in the form of a 15 point deduction due to a case of falsifying transfer values and capital gains. The sanction was handed down by the Federal Court of Appeal in a trial in Rome".
With this sanction, of course, Juventus are out of the title race this season and I think that is a very regrettable incident, because Juventus have come back to good form at this moment.

I think this should be a valuable lesson for Juventus so that it doesn't happen again in the future, of course it is detrimental to the club with the deduction of 15 points, Massimiliano Allegri's task becomes even more difficult. Juventus' target of finishing in the top four at the end of the 2022-2023 Serie A season is also threatened. but Juventus confirmed that they would file an appeal following the 15-point penalty imposed by the Prosecutor of the Italian Football Federation (FIGC).

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Total chaos in juventus , they even still feel they did nothing wrong and going to go for appeal in the next couple days lol , i am pretty sure the appeal will get rejected and the 15 deduction remain there to put juventus on 10th and even losing the chance to play in european competition.

Manipulating the financial accounting are indeed a fatal mistake, they are in a scandal for one more time now.

Not a single rule exists for the act of selling a player.

Juventus got punished because they sold players for an overpriced prize, while not a single 3 parts entity can speak in a 2 person deal.

If I want to sell a player for 4 million and you wanna buy, who can tell this is too much money for the player? Noone.

In fact, in recent years we got a lot of these trials here in Italy with Inter, and Milan involved and they always said not guilty.

Juventus is not a new team in Italy not to know the rules and they know the punishment when any club go against the rule so if they think they are not guilty as they claim, then they should go ahead and launch the appeal but am very sure they can't get away with this case and the deduction of points because this is the main reason behind the resignation of all Juventus board of directors and since their formal chairman Andrea Agnelli is also affected then I think Juventus should accept their fate and focused more to see I they can man it back to the top 4 from their current 10th position moreover they are not the first team to have experience point deduction so they should come clean and accept their wrong doing.

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Does anyone know about the deduction of 15 points for Juventus, so that Juventus are currently in 10th place with 22 points. At least after I searched on Google I got information about "Juventus received a sanction in the form of a 15 point deduction due to a case of falsifying transfer values and capital gains. The sanction was handed down by the Federal Court of Appeal in a trial in Rome".
With this sanction, of course, Juventus are out of the title race this season and I think that is a very regrettable incident, because Juventus have come back to good form at this moment.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on January 20, 2023, 07:28:07 PM

Chies
Juventus were very lucky that Federico Chiesa managed to score a goal so that they won and made Juventus get additional points at the top of the standings. As long as Juventus still have young players like Federico Chiesa, there is still a further victory that Juventus might be able to get in the next match because there is good potential from Federico Chiesa.

The goal that already made by chiesa was making juventus goes to the next round without needed potentially to do penalty against monza. The come back of chiesa made so many juventus fans were feelign happy.
Juventus has so many difficult matches in serie a. Im so glad juventus able to go to the next round. It may face a strong team too. a goal that already made by chiesa just like a debt for him after he was break from the team almost 1 year due to the his injury

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Chiesa is one of their best players and it is expected from him to do the best. For me he is same as Mbappe but didnt come up to that level yet but if he gets more playing time i can see him at that level really soon.

He has to start getting used to it again because we know that Chiesa hasn't played for quite a while so he needs to get used to it again so he can play well again.
But with this one goal, it is clear that he hopes to continue to develop properly after a long recovery phase that will soon occur. Hopefully he can return to being the backbone for Juventus when Juventus are currently still in a slightly complicated condition even though their performance has improved.

After suffering a serious knee injury, of course, Chiesa's performance has decreased and it can even be said that last year was a bad season for him, now I think Chiesa has to work hard enough to find his best game again and regain a place in the old madam squad, according to I was lucky enough for Juventus to be able to lowered chiesa as a substitute in that match after they kept trying to find the winning goal throughout the match, even though Juventus and Monza had different levels, but it was quite visible in that match if Juventus had trouble beating Monza.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on January 20, 2023, 07:28:07 PM

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He was the hero of the game and of course this is very good.
He still needs adjustments to get his performance back after not playing for quite a while but indeed the one goal he made in this match clearly gives him enormous hope in the future. He is still very young and he can still show back his skills that were lost a year due to healing.
Monza played very well and even they could have dominated but it wasn't enough for them in this game.

Juventus were very lucky that Federico Chiesa managed to score a goal so that they won and made Juventus get additional points at the top of the standings. As long as Juventus still have young players like Federico Chiesa, there is still a further victory that Juventus might be able to get in the next match because there is good potential from Federico Chiesa.

Yeah but it's not pure luck. Chiesa can be considered a very good player owned by juventus but the sad thing is he was absent from the club was almost a year due to the his medical problem. It's good to see that he was coming back again and saving juventus from draw against monza. Juventus didn't need to get into the additional time to win against monza. Chiesa is just like a hero for juventus in match. I kinda feel that if chiesa has not yet fully recovered but glad to see he's coming back

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