Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) - page 3143.

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Quote from: babo on June 18, 2021, 09:54:07 AM

Atalanta has been following this plan for many years, for years it has rebounded from Serie A to Serie B, strengthening itself year after year
it's like Amazon, which has a 100-year plan..

that is, it does not have a centennial plan but has a long plan, and calmly

I don't think Atalanta will last that long. In France, Lyon became the champion for 7 years in a row, but now they are only fighting to get into the Champions League. In Italy, Juventus, Milan and Roma are currently performing rather poorly, so such clubs as Atalanta and Napoli are taking the lead. As soon as the former favorites gain strength, Atalanta will take his place in the middle of the table.

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Atalanta has been following this plan for many years, for years it has rebounded from Serie A to Serie B, strengthening itself year after year
it's like Amazon, which has a 100-year plan..

that is, it does not have a centennial plan but has a long plan, and calmly

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Quote from: Oneandpure on June 17, 2021, 10:12:49 AM

Atlanta become most destroy team if keep consistent every year and keep dominance to get slot for champion league, we know almost three years Atlanta always pass to champion league without with qualification stage, They have more potential and quality player and last year sold Papu Gomez to Sevilla, they get much money and lately sell young player to Manchester United too.

this is Atalanta's philosophy, to build a thick and resistant wall one brick at a time
a wall that will be the foundation for the future team, always stronger

that's why I love Atalanta

it's a team that I love with my mind

@Oneandpure they have no option but to sell their player’s, because they need to grow their finances and as @babo rightly said plan for the future. Furthermore I feel in the long run they’ll definitely win the league once, and then hopefully they won’t need to sell their top player’s.

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Quote from: Oneandpure on June 17, 2021, 10:12:49 AM

Atlanta become most destroy team if keep consistent every year and keep dominance to get slot for champion league, we know almost three years Atlanta always pass to champion league without with qualification stage, They have more potential and quality player and last year sold Papu Gomez to Sevilla, they get much money and lately sell young player to Manchester United too.

this is Atalanta's philosophy, to build a thick and resistant wall one brick at a time
a wall that will be the foundation for the future team, always stronger

that's why I love Atalanta

it's a team that I love with my mind

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Quote from: MCobian on June 16, 2021, 07:44:18 PM

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Quote from: Maidak on June 16, 2021, 02:01:36 PM

Obviously Atalanta is a good club. They have been playing very well lately. Apart from any star players, the performance they are performing is truly commendable. But we could not compare Atalanta with Atletico Madrid. Atletico Madrid is a very experienced club. And composed of experienced and skilled players.

But the Italian national team has several players from Atalanta, very good players who are playing very well in Euro 2020.
Of course, the two clubs are at different levels, but Atalanta has been growing very well.

I agree with some Atalanta players playing for the national team, it proves Atalanta has quality players. Unfortunately Atalanta don't have
the finances of Atletico Madrid, so Atalanta can't buy the star players that Atletico can do. So I agree that both have different levels, but that
doesn't mean Atalanta can't improve. I believe Atalanta can develop into a better team, but it will be even better if Atalanta can get a new owner,
so can buy some star players.

Atlanta become most destroy team if keep consistent every year and keep dominance to get slot for champion league, we know almost three years Atlanta always pass to champion league without with qualification stage, They have more potential and quality player and last year sold Papu Gomez to Sevilla, they get much money and lately sell young player to Manchester United too.

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Quote from: Maidak on June 16, 2021, 02:01:36 PM

Obviously Atalanta is a good club. They have been playing very well lately. Apart from any star players, the performance they are performing is truly commendable. But we could not compare Atalanta with Atletico Madrid. Atletico Madrid is a very experienced club. And composed of experienced and skilled players.

Atalanta is uncomparable with Sevilla too but I would like to see them have a same growth as Sevilla and Atletico Madrid. It will be good for Serie A generally but they will need to have a stability in their coach and sport director positions.

Atletico Madrid has many years with only Simeone as a coach and Sevilla has Monchi. They are valuable brains for their successes and Atalanta should learn from those two clubs, then build up their long term plans. Players come and go but brains of the club should be kept.

Quote from: MCobian on June 16, 2021, 07:44:18 PM

I agree with some Atalanta players playing for the national team, it proves Atalanta has quality players. Unfortunately Atalanta don't have
the finances of Atletico Madrid, so Atalanta can't buy the star players that Atletico can do. So I agree that both have different levels, but that
doesn't mean Atalanta can't improve. I believe Atalanta can develop into a better team, but it will be even better if Atalanta can get a new owner,
so can buy some star players.

Atalanta and Sassuolo are the most exciting clubs in Serie A recent years. They are not big clubs but have some good and young players. Some of them moved to bigger clubs like Inter Milan, AS Roma and they are the future of Italian national team.

Sassuolo don't have big success like Atalanta but I don't underestimate them.

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Quote from: MCobian on June 16, 2021, 07:44:18 PM

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Quote from: Maidak on June 16, 2021, 02:01:36 PM

Obviously Atalanta is a good club. They have been playing very well lately. Apart from any star players, the performance they are performing is truly commendable. But we could not compare Atalanta with Atletico Madrid. Atletico Madrid is a very experienced club. And composed of experienced and skilled players.

But the Italian national team has several players from Atalanta, very good players who are playing very well in Euro 2020.
Of course, the two clubs are at different levels, but Atalanta has been growing very well.

I agree with some Atalanta players playing for the national team, it proves Atalanta has quality players. Unfortunately Atalanta don't have
the finances of Atletico Madrid, so Atalanta can't buy the star players that Atletico can do. So I agree that both have different levels, but that
doesn't mean Atalanta can't improve. I believe Atalanta can develop into a better team, but it will be even better if Atalanta can get a new owner,
so can buy some star players.

Well Atalanta is a middle class team for many years before just competing to survive now they have bought small players and turned them into something huge you cannot expect Atalanta to buy superstars when their budget is 10x lower then for example from Inter or Juventus. Congrats to them because they are at top level for many years already.

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Quote from: Maidak on June 16, 2021, 02:01:36 PM

Obviously Atalanta is a good club. They have been playing very well lately. Apart from any star players, the performance they are performing is truly commendable. But we could not compare Atalanta with Atletico Madrid. Atletico Madrid is a very experienced club. And composed of experienced and skilled players.

But the Italian national team has several players from Atalanta, very good players who are playing very well in Euro 2020.
Of course, the two clubs are at different levels, but Atalanta has been growing very well.

I agree with some Atalanta players playing for the national team, it proves Atalanta has quality players. Unfortunately Atalanta don't have
the finances of Atletico Madrid, so Atalanta can't buy the star players that Atletico can do. So I agree that both have different levels, but that
doesn't mean Atalanta can't improve. I believe Atalanta can develop into a better team, but it will be even better if Atalanta can get a new owner,
so can buy some star players.

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Quote from: Maidak on June 16, 2021, 02:01:36 PM

Obviously Atalanta is a good club. They have been playing very well lately. Apart from any star players, the performance they are performing is truly commendable. But we could not compare Atalanta with Atletico Madrid. Atletico Madrid is a very experienced club. And composed of experienced and skilled players.

Atalanta's performance is seasonal that's why they are unpredictable to be classified among the best club or not, sometimes Atalanta plays a perfect football in a season and become worst in other season, they aren't consistent in their winnings at all and they sometimes loss heavily by conceding high goals unlike Atletico Madrid who hardly concede goals but win with little goal margin.

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Don't worry, the opportunity will be seen when they compete in the champions league next season we know the teams that compete in the champions league will get additional funds from several sources so if they can use it then they can do something big. I believe that the current composition of players can be relied on.

This season they are quite good and all the players are reliable enough to play in the UCL season. However, additional players are still needed to strengthen the team. Atalanta's journey in Serie A this season has been impressive and must be maintained if they are to advance further in the UCL.

Atalanta has shown us how to organize a great team with less money, and how to perform exceptionally well. Their performance in the previous season surprised me. I would say they have done better than Juventus. Despite having so many star players, Juventus did not perform as expected.

Atalanta were absolutely better than Juventus in the last season. Their having the same points at the end shouldn't mislead people. Atalanta had a more decent performance in general. This shows us clearly that the squad quality is not the most important thing all the time. If there is a really strong teamplay, everything is possible.

You are right. Having star players in the squad does not mean that the team is the best. There must be coordination between the players. Good performance is never possible without coordination. The Juventus team relies heavily on Ronaldo. Juventus's players have to reduce this dependence and try to play well in the own position. Then you can expect a good result as a team.

Depending on one man is really a desperate thing for a big team. Juventus must be better than this. I don't know how good their financial condition is right now. But I hope that they can make the necessary transfers to help the team reach a better level like winning the league title or competing hard for it.

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Quote from: Maidak on June 16, 2021, 02:01:36 PM

Obviously Atalanta is a good club. They have been playing very well lately. Apart from any star players, the performance they are performing is truly commendable. But we could not compare Atalanta with Atletico Madrid. Atletico Madrid is a very experienced club. And composed of experienced and skilled players.

But the Italian national team has several players from Atalanta, very good players who are playing very well in Euro 2020.
Of course, the two clubs are at different levels, but Atalanta has been growing very well.

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Quote from: kassex on June 15, 2021, 03:58:10 PM

Atalanta is most likely Atletico Madrid in Italy. The team also started with a small budget and an unknown coach. And while the coach of Atalanta is working as a team, they will show an interesting game. The change of coach will lead to a decline in Atalanta's play. Over time, if the team progresses, then the Serie A champion title they can win.

Atalanta are far from Atletico Madrid or Sevilla. They have been playing good in recent seasons but they have yet won any title. They need title to be able to be comparable with Atletico Madrid or Sevilla. Atalanta are still at lower class then Atletico and Sevilla.

Obviously Atalanta is a good club. They have been playing very well lately. Apart from any star players, the performance they are performing is truly commendable. But we could not compare Atalanta with Atletico Madrid. Atletico Madrid is a very experienced club. And composed of experienced and skilled players.

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Quote from: justdimin on June 15, 2021, 03:24:39 PM

They are good so far for the past few seasons but let's remember it is always a temporary success unless you reinvest that into the team. You can use the money you made into players, buy players, pay high salaries etc etc but that will be gone, eventually you will have a great team but if they suck just one season and not bring you any success then you are going to suck big time and will fail to deliver.

My favorite team had something like that, we spent a ton of money on players and in the end we won 3 championships thanks to it and went to quarter finals of champions league which we never before in our history, and then next season few players left and we sucked and the whole team suddenly started to suck, now we have been not so great for nearly 5 seasons. This is why you invest into staff, buildings, pitches, academy and many other stuff that are forever there and not temporarily there.

Very few clubs can maintain good results in some seasons and have good transfer strategy to replace their key players. You mentioned about salary and I agreed. Medium clubs fall into the increasing demand of key players or new alternate players. Their salary budget increases with player demand and with their bigger ambition. The risk originates from there. If they can not manage to have as same as good results, their balance sheet will be damaged and they will be collapsed financially.

Leeds United, Deportivo La Coruna, SS Lazio, FC Parma, Dortmund. They are example of collapsed clubs after some successful seasons.

Quote from: kassex on June 15, 2021, 03:58:10 PM

Atalanta is most likely Atletico Madrid in Italy. The team also started with a small budget and an unknown coach. And while the coach of Atalanta is working as a team, they will show an interesting game. The change of coach will lead to a decline in Atalanta's play. Over time, if the team progresses, then the Serie A champion title they can win.

Atalanta are far from Atletico Madrid or Sevilla. They have been playing good in recent seasons but they have yet won any title. They need title to be able to be comparable with Atletico Madrid or Sevilla. Atalanta are still at lower class then Atletico and Sevilla.

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Atalanta is most likely Atletico Madrid in Italy. The team also started with a small budget and an unknown coach. And while the coach of Atalanta is working as a team, they will show an interesting game. The change of coach will lead to a decline in Atalanta's play. Over time, if the team progresses, then the Serie A champion title they can win.

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Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on June 14, 2021, 11:07:26 PM

Atalanta is another version of Sevilla in Serie A. They manage to play too well with their limited financial budget and grow up from middle clubs to join the top clubs. What I impressed with Atalanta is their stability for three seasons.

In history, there are some clubs can create big surprise but they only be able to do so in only one season. If luckily, they manage it in 2 seasons and collapse. Atalanta are different, they are doing it for 3 seasons and the next season will be very interesting. If they keep up what they have done in recent three years, they deserve to become a new big club in Serie A.

Their academy and scout teams will be important for the future growth of Atalanta.

Yeah, they are already show us if they are deserve to be top 3 clubs in serie-A, as we know, their performance in Serie-A or even Champions League are not bad. That why I wish they can be Serie-A champions since, I think they can still be the club that stops Juve's dominance. It will interesting if they are become another Leicester for EPL but in Serie-A Grin

They are good so far for the past few seasons but let's remember it is always a temporary success unless you reinvest that into the team. You can use the money you made into players, buy players, pay high salaries etc etc but that will be gone, eventually you will have a great team but if they suck just one season and not bring you any success then you are going to suck big time and will fail to deliver.

My favorite team had something like that, we spent a ton of money on players and in the end we won 3 championships thanks to it and went to quarter finals of champions league which we never before in our history, and then next season few players left and we sucked and the whole team suddenly started to suck, now we have been not so great for nearly 5 seasons. This is why you invest into staff, buildings, pitches, academy and many other stuff that are forever there and not temporarily there.

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Don't worry, the opportunity will be seen when they compete in the champions league next season we know the teams that compete in the champions league will get additional funds from several sources so if they can use it then they can do something big. I believe that the current composition of players can be relied on.

This season they are quite good and all the players are reliable enough to play in the UCL season. However, additional players are still needed to strengthen the team. Atalanta's journey in Serie A this season has been impressive and must be maintained if they are to advance further in the UCL.

Atalanta has shown us how to organize a great team with less money, and how to perform exceptionally well. Their performance in the previous season surprised me. I would say they have done better than Juventus. Despite having so many star players, Juventus did not perform as expected.

Atalanta were absolutely better than Juventus in the last season. Their having the same points at the end shouldn't mislead people. Atalanta had a more decent performance in general. This shows us clearly that the squad quality is not the most important thing all the time. If there is a really strong teamplay, everything is possible.

You are right. Having star players in the squad does not mean that the team is the best. There must be coordination between the players. Good performance is never possible without coordination. The Juventus team relies heavily on Ronaldo. Juventus's players have to reduce this dependence and try to play well in the own position. Then you can expect a good result as a team.

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It's better that Uncle Zhang finds a way to finance Internazionale's transfer market. If I'm not mistaken, the market in Italy officially opens on July 1st. If Zhang doesn't move to give certainty to his top players, Inter next year will be a mid-table team. And I have been optimistic.

I believe "mid table" is not really fair, sure they would be worse than current year but a team that won the league will not become a mid table team over course of one off-season, who are they gonna sell all their players? I mean even if they do, inter is rarely a midtable team, there are players dying to get to teams like inter, it is a big name club and they could get some decent players even if they sold every single player. However we all know, if they sell just one big name player they would be back to square one and that will not make them a mid table team.

I am pretty sure they will be at least top 5 team no matter what happens this offseason, they are at least that good even without players like martinez or lukaku, they will manage that much. Mid table is like you need to have a horrible season where everyone leaves but also nobody wants to come and Inter is not in that situation.

If the president doesn't start to seriously invest in the project Internazionale, winning the Scudetto this year will be remembered as the beginning of the end.
I feel sorry for the players and the fans who have been treated like fools and don't deserve such treatment, the former because they're serious professionals and the latter because they would have been deluded.

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Don't worry, the opportunity will be seen when they compete in the champions league next season we know the teams that compete in the champions league will get additional funds from several sources so if they can use it then they can do something big. I believe that the current composition of players can be relied on.

This season they are quite good and all the players are reliable enough to play in the UCL season. However, additional players are still needed to strengthen the team. Atalanta's journey in Serie A this season has been impressive and must be maintained if they are to advance further in the UCL.

Atalanta has shown us how to organize a great team with less money, and how to perform exceptionally well. Their performance in the previous season surprised me. I would say they have done better than Juventus. Despite having so many star players, Juventus did not perform as expected.

Atalanta were absolutely better than Juventus in the last season. Their having the same points at the end shouldn't mislead people. Atalanta had a more decent performance in general. This shows us clearly that the squad quality is not the most important thing all the time. If there is a really strong teamplay, everything is possible.

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Quote from: masulum on June 15, 2021, 05:34:38 AM

Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on June 14, 2021, 11:07:26 PM

Atalanta is another version of Sevilla in Serie A. They manage to play too well with their limited financial budget and grow up from middle clubs to join the top clubs. What I impressed with Atalanta is their stability for three seasons.

In history, there are some clubs can create big surprise but they only be able to do so in only one season. If luckily, they manage it in 2 seasons and collapse. Atalanta are different, they are doing it for 3 seasons and the next season will be very interesting. If they keep up what they have done in recent three years, they deserve to become a new big club in Serie A.

Their academy and scout teams will be important for the future growth of Atalanta.

Yeah, they are already show us if they are deserve to be top 3 clubs in serie-A, as we know, their performance in Serie-A or even Champions League are not bad. That why I wish they can be Serie-A champions since, I think they can still be the club that stops Juve's dominance. It will interesting if they are become another Leicester for EPL but in Serie-A Grin

In recent years, many football clubs have been evenly distributed in quality in various major leagues today, and this has made clubs which in fact are not superior teams to be able to compete with big clubs to become champions, in fact we can see how 3 years ago the struggle for champions was La Liga is only between Barcelona and Real Madrid but now Atletico Madrid, Sevilla and also Valencia are strong rivals in the title race, as well as the French league which even before the competition started we already knew that PSG would win Ligue 1, but now Lille, Lyon and Monaco should no longer be underestimated, perhaps from the past until now the English League is the only most competitive league with many clubs competing for the title.

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Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on June 14, 2021, 11:07:26 PM

Atalanta is another version of Sevilla in Serie A. They manage to play too well with their limited financial budget and grow up from middle clubs to join the top clubs. What I impressed with Atalanta is their stability for three seasons.

In history, there are some clubs can create big surprise but they only be able to do so in only one season. If luckily, they manage it in 2 seasons and collapse. Atalanta are different, they are doing it for 3 seasons and the next season will be very interesting. If they keep up what they have done in recent three years, they deserve to become a new big club in Serie A.

Their academy and scout teams will be important for the future growth of Atalanta.

Yeah, they are already show us if they are deserve to be top 3 clubs in serie-A, as we know, their performance in Serie-A or even Champions League are not bad. That why I wish they can be Serie-A champions since, I think they can still be the club that stops Juve's dominance. It will interesting if they are become another Leicester for EPL but in Serie-A Grin

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