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Quote from: babo on September 02, 2021, 02:11:28 AM

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I personally don't really believe in that and on the contrary, I believe Juventus will improve with time. Just look at when Juventus can get titles for 9 consecutive seasons, basically Juventus can win many titles even before Ronaldo is at Juventus. Therefore, I do not believe that Juventus' defeat in their last match yesterday was not due to the loss of Ronaldo, I feel that Allegri still needs time to return Juventus to their former glory.

I absolutely agree with you
the problem is a normal management change and gear change, it is not a CR7 related problem
you have to wait a few weeks to see the results, you can't do it like Inter Milan of years ago (Moratti management) who changed coaches every month (it's not healthy)

It is obvious that when you lose a player at Ronaldo level that is going to hurt the team a bit, I am not saying it is 100% fine without Ronaldo neither because obviously every team would want to have Ronaldo on their team even at his age. However I agree with you that they are not going to suck suddenly just because Ronaldo is not there, even if they end up not becoming the champions, that is not because Ronaldo is not there because Ronaldo was there last year but Inter won the league so that means it is not all about Ronaldo neither.

We should be seeing this as a half-half thing, it is both true that having Ronaldo is a great addition but we should also realize that not having Ronaldo is not doom neither, you could be better with a player and not suck without him at the same time, those two things are possible all together. That's at least what I believe is true for Juventus. Like if Kane left Spurs that would make a huge dent, Ronaldo wasn't a deal like that anymore.

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Quote from: $crypto$ on September 03, 2021, 10:43:46 AM

This time Juvetus and Inter Milan will be very different, they always try with the points they get when UCL is left it will focus on the main league.

Juventus is a strong team even though this season they are no longer reinforced by Ronaldo. There is no doubt to say that Juventus will bounce back soon after their previous two poor results. It's still very quick to say that they are a weak team because the league is still very long. UCL and Serie A should be the two competitions they focus on, despite bad results in Serie A but Juventus can still win UCL matches in my opinion.

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Moreover, this match will be held at Napoli stadium which will give more confidence to Napoli players to beat Juve, but Juve still cannot be said a weak team, sometimes at the beginning of the season the team can slip, but they will recovery soon and improved their perform, maybe Juve will try to get a point and this match will definitely be tight.

it is not absolutely certain
unfortunately with these games the emotional factor of the players counts a lot

as it was for Inter last year, after leaving the Champions League the players were very angry

Obviously the emotional factor greatly affects their performance on the field if the team is solid then it will be the decisive victory later for Juventus, but what @Strongkored said is true, that slip is also the beginning of a strategy reshuffle to choose which one is right and usually this will be recovered in the middle of the season.
This time Juvetus and Inter Milan will be very different, they always try with the points they get when UCL is left it will focus on the main league.

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Quote from: blackened515 on September 03, 2021, 09:54:00 AM

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I think that Juventus have a really low chance against Napoli next week. Because their morale is not that good after the last result against Empoli. And they have missing players also. So, Napoli can take advantage of this situation home and get even a win.

Juventus lost their key player Ronaldo, and their squad won't be as strong as it was. Napoli have been doing pretty good this season, winning their last two matches, and they won't can to lose their next match. Napoli's last meeting against Juventus wasn't a successful one for them, they lost the game with a 2-1 score, and Ronaldo scored the first goal. However, Juventus can still do better without the presence of Ronaldo. They just have to work hard.

I agree that they need to work really hard. The Empoli loss is unacceptable for example. Even Lazio beat them very easily and it was also an away match (3-1). Everybody was expecting a better Juventus with Allegri but it looks like the real problem is not the coach. The players don't make the necessary effort for the win. Actually they got so many chances against Empoli but they were lacking the skill to finish those opportunities with a goal.

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Quote from: blackened515 on September 03, 2021, 09:54:00 AM

Juventus lost their key player Ronaldo, and their squad won't be as strong as it was. Napoli have been doing pretty good this season, winning their last two matches, and they won't can to lose their next match. Napoli's last meeting against Juventus wasn't a successful one for them, they lost the game with a 2-1 score, and Ronaldo scored the first goal. However, Juventus can still do better without the presence of Ronaldo. They just have to work hard.

Allegri is a genius coach, he can turn a Milan full of old players into Serie A champions, while the current Juventus players, are still much better with Milan's conditions at that time. So, I think, even without Ronaldo, and Pogba's plan to Juventus didn't happen, with Allegri's ability as a coach, I think they still deserve to be favorites to win. It is true that it will be more difficult, but at least Juventus still benefits from the condition of their competitors such as Inter, Milan, Lazio which are in less than optimal conditions as well. Against Napoli, because this is a game that the team need to adapt without Ronaldo, holding Napoli with draw is not bad result IMO.

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Quote from: Strongkored on September 03, 2021, 03:03:12 AM

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Quote from: Spack17 on September 02, 2021, 06:59:07 PM

I think that Juventus have a really low chance against Napoli next week. Because their morale is not that good after the last result against Empoli. And they have missing players also. So, Napoli can take advantage of this situation home and get even a win.

The defeat of Empoli was the first defeat of Juventus after Ronaldo left, and of course it was quite surprising because Empoli is a promotion team and it is clear that this defeat will make Juventus mentality decrease slightly when they face Napoli, especially now Napoli are in a fairly positive trend after successfully defeating genoa in the previous match and making them managed to get 6 points from 2 wins.
I think Juventus will have a hard time against Napoli and it could be their secound defeat at the start of the season.

Moreover, this match will be held at Napoli stadium which will give more confidence to Napoli players to beat Juve, but Juve still cannot be said a weak team, sometimes at the beginning of the season the team can slip, but they will recovery soon and improved their perform, maybe Juve will try to get a point and this match will definitely be tight.

The failure of juventus to get full points in their last two matches, of course, will make the juventus players play all out in that match, but to be honest if the defeat against empoli will certainly make the mental juventus players fall a little, so it is likely that the Napoli players will take advantage of this as an opportunity their advantage apart acting as the host.
I think with the existing advantages, most likely Napoli will be able to win the match with a score of 2-1.

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Quote from: Spack17 on September 02, 2021, 06:59:07 PM

I think that Juventus have a really low chance against Napoli next week. Because their morale is not that good after the last result against Empoli. And they have missing players also. So, Napoli can take advantage of this situation home and get even a win.

Juventus lost their key player Ronaldo, and their squad won't be as strong as it was. Napoli have been doing pretty good this season, winning their last two matches, and they won't can to lose their next match. Napoli's last meeting against Juventus wasn't a successful one for them, they lost the game with a 2-1 score, and Ronaldo scored the first goal. However, Juventus can still do better without the presence of Ronaldo. They just have to work hard.

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Quote from: Strongkored on September 03, 2021, 03:03:12 AM

Moreover, this match will be held at Napoli stadium which will give more confidence to Napoli players to beat Juve, but Juve still cannot be said a weak team, sometimes at the beginning of the season the team can slip, but they will recovery soon and improved their perform, maybe Juve will try to get a point and this match will definitely be tight.

it is not absolutely certain
unfortunately with these games the emotional factor of the players counts a lot

as it was for Inter last year, after leaving the Champions League the players were very angry

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Quote from: poldanmig on September 03, 2021, 01:59:42 AM

Quote from: Spack17 on September 02, 2021, 06:59:07 PM

I think that Juventus have a really low chance against Napoli next week. Because their morale is not that good after the last result against Empoli. And they have missing players also. So, Napoli can take advantage of this situation home and get even a win.

The defeat of Empoli was the first defeat of Juventus after Ronaldo left, and of course it was quite surprising because Empoli is a promotion team and it is clear that this defeat will make Juventus mentality decrease slightly when they face Napoli, especially now Napoli are in a fairly positive trend after successfully defeating genoa in the previous match and making them managed to get 6 points from 2 wins.
I think Juventus will have a hard time against Napoli and it could be their secound defeat at the start of the season.

Moreover, this match will be held at Napoli stadium which will give more confidence to Napoli players to beat Juve, but Juve still cannot be said a weak team, sometimes at the beginning of the season the team can slip, but they will recovery soon and improved their perform, maybe Juve will try to get a point and this match will definitely be tight.

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Quote from: Spack17 on September 02, 2021, 06:59:07 PM

I think that Juventus have a really low chance against Napoli next week. Because their morale is not that good after the last result against Empoli. And they have missing players also. So, Napoli can take advantage of this situation home and get even a win.

The defeat of Empoli was the first defeat of Juventus after Ronaldo left, and of course it was quite surprising because Empoli is a promotion team and it is clear that this defeat will make Juventus mentality decrease slightly when they face Napoli, especially now Napoli are in a fairly positive trend after successfully defeating genoa in the previous match and making them managed to get 6 points from 2 wins.
I think Juventus will have a hard time against Napoli and it could be their secound defeat at the start of the season.

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Quote from: Spack17 on September 02, 2021, 06:59:07 PM

I think that Juventus have a really low chance against Napoli next week. Because their morale is not that good after the last result against Empoli. And they have missing players also. So, Napoli can take advantage of this situation home and get even a win.

Agree and even, in some away matches Juventus against Napoli did not have a good record either. At the moment Juventus looks like they are in a period of improvement, and that is in contrast to Napoli who have earned full points in the previous two matches. If Juventus can play well maybe the result can be a draw, but I'm also not so sure about that because of course Napoli will be very ambitious to get full points in this big match.

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I think that Juventus have a really low chance against Napoli next week. Because their morale is not that good after the last result against Empoli. And they have missing players also. So, Napoli can take advantage of this situation home and get even a win.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on September 02, 2021, 06:35:01 PM

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Two news from Milan: AC Milan temporarily loses Olivier Giroud because the French forward has tested positive for Covid, as the club has officially announced. He has tested positive to a molecular swab carried out at home.
On the other hand, Milan sees Timouè Bakayoko comeback after two years. The French midfielder, who chose the number 41 shirt, appeared at a press conference in Milanello after leaving SSC Napoli.

It is really bad news that Giroud won't be able to play because of being tested positive for covid. Zlatan Ibrahimovic is also injured now. He has a knee injury and he is expected to return on September 10. Their next game is against Lazio and it is going to be played on September 12. I hope that Zlatan gets ready for this match to be able to play in the starting eleven. Otherwise, they would start with Rafael Leao to the game.

Giroud is also possible to play on 12 September because I know the treatment time for covid is about 2 weeks so if there are no obstacles Giroud is eligible to play
Or maybe Milan take another option because on 16 september they have an important game so both players like Ibrahimovic and Giroud are kept

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Quote from: acquafredda on September 02, 2021, 08:01:25 AM

Two news from Milan: AC Milan temporarily loses Olivier Giroud because the French forward has tested positive for Covid, as the club has officially announced. He has tested positive to a molecular swab carried out at home.
On the other hand, Milan sees Timouè Bakayoko comeback after two years. The French midfielder, who chose the number 41 shirt, appeared at a press conference in Milanello after leaving SSC Napoli.

It is really bad news that Giroud won't be able to play because of being tested positive for covid. Zlatan Ibrahimovic is also injured now. He has a knee injury and he is expected to return on September 10. Their next game is against Lazio and it is going to be played on September 12. I hope that Zlatan gets ready for this match to be able to play in the starting eleven. Otherwise, they would start with Rafael Leao to the game.

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Quote from: poldanmig on September 02, 2021, 12:47:58 PM

Quote from: acquafredda on September 02, 2021, 08:01:25 AM

Two news from Milan: AC Milan temporarily loses Olivier Giroud because the French forward has tested positive for Covid, as the club has officially announced. He has tested positive to a molecular swab carried out at home.
On the other hand, Milan sees Timouè Bakayoko comeback after two years. The French midfielder, who chose the number 41 shirt, appeared at a press conference in Milanello after leaving SSC Napoli.

Of course this is quite bad news for AC Milan, because they have to lose a player who is currently in consistent form in scoring goals against the opponent, and of course he will miss the match against Lazio on Sunday, according to reports, giroud will quarantine for 2 weeks and automatically it looks like he will missed 2 matches ac milan.

damn i thought there is no more covid19 , i just think that with covid cases those mafia could take part and take some benefit out of it to manipulate shit , italy well known as a corrupted league, its hard to take out that title .
no sense if it was only at italy , those players who travel accross continents and back to la liga or any other european leagues is just fine and had only few cases get positive , but in italy ... pheew ... thats too bold to show how serie a running .

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I personally don't really believe in that and on the contrary, I believe Juventus will improve with time. Just look at when Juventus can get titles for 9 consecutive seasons, basically Juventus can win many titles even before Ronaldo is at Juventus. Therefore, I do not believe that Juventus' defeat in their last match yesterday was not due to the loss of Ronaldo, I feel that Allegri still needs time to return Juventus to their former glory.

I still remember everyone trolling Ronaldo that he is the problem of Juventus. The truth is that the Juventus of today isn't the Juventus we use to know, Their midfield is shit, They lack the spirit to fight and win,Always playing back pass.
If they win its Team work, If they loose the problem is Ronaldo

in recent days the news about juventus is related to the departure of cristiano ronaldo, this is not a good thing, even barcelona, who was dependent on messi for years, managed to overcome messi's departure very quickly and are no longer thinking about the past when they had messi, but juventus is creating quarrels, I read the news in portuguese that Massimiliano Allegri would have been angry with the president of juventus for the departure of ronaldo and Allegri said that Moise Kean is not able to bring the same results as cristiano ronaldo brought, this is a problem of serious disagreement that juventus are having and that they must quickly overcome for the good of the team.

Allegri is generally angry at the entire transfer company of the club, because according to him, the club did not fulfill the promises given when applying for a job and I understand him perfectly. To lose such a forward a few days before the end of the transfer window and not have suitable replacement options... This is a complete failure. Although, of course, it is impossible to find a replacement for such a player as Ronaldo, but still it was worth acting much more consistently and prudently, and not arranging a transfer thriller at the very end. The talent and meaning of the coach's work is precisely the correct use of the available players, but the final result depends very much on the level of these available players.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 02, 2021, 05:16:08 PM

Since we still have COVID19 rules in Italy and players are going to South America at the current state of the things Juventus will have 5 or 6 missing players for the next game with Napoli.
And the intention of the president of the Liga is to play the game.

They are required 10 days of quarantine if I remember correctly and the game is on the 10th day. So they can't play for 2 hours at the end of the quarantine.

The list of missing players are.

Alex Sandro
Dybala
Danilo
McKennie
Bentancur

These are important missing players for Juventus. And I've just seen that it is going to be an away match for Juventus. After they were defeated by Empoli, they can get another loss here also. Napoli are a really strong team in their home stadium. And Juventus couldn't defeat them in their last 3 head-to-heads here. I don't think that Napoli will lose this one also.

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Since we still have COVID19 rules in Italy and players are going to South America at the current state of the things Juventus will have 5 or 6 missing players for the next game with Napoli.
And the intention of the president of the Liga is to play the game.

They are required 10 days of quarantine if I remember correctly and the game is on the 10th day. So they can't play for 2 hours at the end of the quarantine.

The list of missing players are.

Alex Sandro
Dybala
Danilo
McKennie
Bentancur

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I personally don't really believe in that and on the contrary, I believe Juventus will improve with time. Just look at when Juventus can get titles for 9 consecutive seasons, basically Juventus can win many titles even before Ronaldo is at Juventus. Therefore, I do not believe that Juventus' defeat in their last match yesterday was not due to the loss of Ronaldo, I feel that Allegri still needs time to return Juventus to their former glory.

I still remember everyone trolling Ronaldo that he is the problem of Juventus. The truth is that the Juventus of today isn't the Juventus we use to know, Their midfield is shit, They lack the spirit to fight and win,Always playing back pass.
If they win its Team work, If they loose the problem is Ronaldo

in recent days the news about juventus is related to the departure of cristiano ronaldo, this is not a good thing, even barcelona, who was dependent on messi for years, managed to overcome messi's departure very quickly and are no longer thinking about the past when they had messi, but juventus is creating quarrels, I read the news in portuguese that Massimiliano Allegri would have been angry with the president of juventus for the departure of ronaldo and Allegri said that Moise Kean is not able to bring the same results as cristiano ronaldo brought, this is a problem of serious disagreement that juventus are having and that they must quickly overcome for the good of the team.

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Quote from: masulum on September 02, 2021, 09:30:12 AM

Quote from: acquafredda on September 02, 2021, 08:01:25 AM

Two news from Milan: AC Milan temporarily loses Olivier Giroud because the French forward has tested positive for Covid, as the club has officially announced. He has tested positive to a molecular swab carried out at home.
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This is bad news when Milan have to appear without Giroud. Luckily, according to AC Milan's release, Giroud did not make contact with other players, after the match against Cagliari, so other players are safe. i think with Giroud, Milan still have a chance to win the matches, but for now, it will be more difficult to see Milan win, draw is a good results without their key striker. Well, Ibrahimovic, maybe can be played starting this month, can't wait he comeback.

It's been reported that Ibrahimovic is ready for the match with Lazio in place of Giround who is the main striker but this was an accident where Giround had to test positive for Covid-19 so it will be out for a few weeks until he recovers.
Lazio is not an easy opponent to beat Milan so Ibrahimovic should be able to minimize for his 3 points victory, but I do think Ibrahimovic can still be relied on as a striker at this time.
Ibrahimovic's comeback will be something more if Milan win.

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