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Quote from: coupable on September 08, 2021, 12:02:25 PM

Not that much Bro. Sad to see Juventus encouraged as un under-dog despite all the potential it has.
Juventus is still powerful against napoli even without Ronaldo. When check statistics, except for the match played in last Februry when Napoli won, Napoli didn't win any match against Juventus since 2018.
Juventus didn't do well during the last two matches, but i think it still can compete with Napoli to get a good standing among the first five top clubs; it lost against Empoli [0:1] and a draw with Udinese [2:2] which i think are not a very rud results compared to Napoli who won the last two matches against two weak teams Venezia and Genoa which have less standings than Juventus .

Historical results tends to play very little role in future fixtures if the team that has been dominant in past years now have degraded performances and that something we've seen in this current Juventus team. The last two games have shown that even if they have a rich squad, overall team output and performance is generally bad if not their worst in recent years. That's why if Napoli do just enough to keep Juve's attacks at bay, they would have a clear shot at winning the match.

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Mourinho is such a special coach that he is named The Special One. I think he is still good, but in recent years his adventures have not been good enough in terms of team achievements. The team that signed him wanted the title, while the players didn't do well and the title wish never materialized. This season I don't think he and his team won't win the title either. Intense competition will make it difficult.

I do not think that Mourinho is "the special one" anymore. I get that he is a good manager but if he was as good as he used to be, he would be managing a team trying to win the UCL, he doesn't have to win it every year, but if he is managing a team that is not even in the europa, then I am afraid to say that he is no longer the manager we all remember.
Yes, he had a great a decade and a half managing big clubs, from early 2000's to late 2010's he was a great manager but after a while something broke and he became someone that lower level teams get to overachieve and he didn't even do that with them. So long story short, Mourinho is not the last hope for Roma, in fact Mourinho can only give what Roma can give, get another manager and you will probably get at least as much from Roma with this roster as well. Dude is a good scout though, I have to accept that, he always finds good players for right positions.

You just shouldn't expect absolutely incredible things from Mourinho's work, similar to what he achieved when working at Porto. Despite the relatively unsuccessful period of work at Tottenham, but still Mourinho managed to lead the club to the final of the League Cup, so some reflections from the "special one" still have a place to be and yet it was not Mourinho who lost that final to Manchester City ;)For sure, the Roma management has certain agreements with Mourinho that interested the coach, because as far as I know, Mourinho was not dismissed from Tottenham in the classical sense of the word and continued to receive wages there, so I was surprised that Jose started working again so quickly.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on September 08, 2021, 05:58:15 PM

Yes, Mourinho started this season very well, he leads Roma to win 2 early matches already. For now, we can say he did good work and Roma is the right place for him. However, we must be aware that the two early matches are against weaker clubs. The real challenge is when they are against Juventus away on matchday 8. If Roma can win or draw against Juventus, we can judge Mourinho really suits Roma and has the chance to win the Serie A title. Let's see if what we are thinking about him in Roma is true. Wink

The biggest challenges for Mourinho are going to be against the strongest clubs of the Serie A like Inter, Milan, Juventus, Lazio and Atalanta considering some of their recent form also. If they get really good results against most of them or even maybe all of them, then we can say relievedly that it is going to be a great season for Jose Mourinho. And in this case, he can have long years at Roma. Roma would also hope such thing after having a terrible season.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on September 08, 2021, 12:19:07 PM

it seems like Roma can be the right place for him to maybe even achieve something. Roma started really good to the season.

Yes, Mourinho started this season very well, he leads Roma to win 2 early matches already. For now, we can say he did good work and Roma is the right place for him. However, we must be aware that the two early matches are against weaker clubs. The real challenge is when they are against Juventus away on matchday 8. If Roma can win or draw against Juventus, we can judge Mourinho really suits Roma and has the chance to win the Serie A title. Let's see if what we are thinking about him in Roma is true. Wink

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Quote from: Oneandpure on September 08, 2021, 12:06:45 PM

I predict Napoli easy to win from Juventus with margin score above 2 goal, without Ronaldo have gone almost 50% for Juventus power and difficult looking for new forward to make many goal for Juventus. Lorenzo Insigne will be man of the match for Napoli and I prefer he will make goal for Napoli, beside Juventus goal keeper make many fault last two match and will keep the same when faced with Napoli.

I don't think Napoli will be able to beat Juventus, especially with a score of more than 2 goals. Yes, Szczesny is a very weak link in Alegre team, something needs to be done urgently, and the only chance for Napoli to beat Juventus is the goalkeeper of Juventus. When about attack, Juventus has someone to score goals, and Ronaldo certainly didn't take 50% of Juventus' strength when he left the club. I will say even more, Ronaldo was never able to become a leader in Juventus, because during the period of Ronaldo's stay at the club, there were no results.

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Quote from: Oneandpure on September 08, 2021, 12:06:45 PM

Quote from: Kusman on September 08, 2021, 04:02:38 AM

We have a huge match this week that is going to be played between Napoli and Juventus in Naples. Napoli had a quick start by defeating Venezia and Genoa. However, Juventus still don't have any win. They missed a big opportunity against Udinese as they let them make a comeback from 2-0. And they were defeated by Empoli home very surprisingly. And now, Ronaldo has left also. They should be able to pull themselves as soon as possible. Most probably, they will struggle against Napoli and even lose this match. But after this match, they need to start getting good results.

I predict Napoli easy to win from Juventus with margin score above 2 goal, without Ronaldo have gone almost 50% for Juventus power and difficult looking for new forward to make many goal for Juventus. Lorenzo Insigne will be man of the match for Napoli and I prefer he will make goal for Napoli, beside Juventus goal keeper make many fault last two match and will keep the same when faced with Napoli.

Odds are quite challenging, interesting and close between Napoli and Juve @2.4-2.7
Everything is possible and depends from who will be absent and fit for the game in both side, especially Insigne and Chiesa.
I don't expect many goals, maybe a draw too, not sure, I prefer to see starting eleven first.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on September 08, 2021, 01:33:30 AM

Mourinho is such a special coach that he is named The Special One. I think he is still good, but in recent years his adventures have not been good enough in terms of team achievements. The team that signed him wanted the title, while the players didn't do well and the title wish never materialized. This season I don't think he and his team won't win the title either. Intense competition will make it difficult.

I do not think that Mourinho is "the special one" anymore. I get that he is a good manager but if he was as good as he used to be, he would be managing a team trying to win the UCL, he doesn't have to win it every year, but if he is managing a team that is not even in the europa, then I am afraid to say that he is no longer the manager we all remember.

Yes, he had a great a decade and a half managing big clubs, from early 2000's to late 2010's he was a great manager but after a while something broke and he became someone that lower level teams get to overachieve and he didn't even do that with them. So long story short, Mourinho is not the last hope for Roma, in fact Mourinho can only give what Roma can give, get another manager and you will probably get at least as much from Roma with this roster as well. Dude is a good scout though, I have to accept that, he always finds good players for right positions.

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Quote from: masulum on September 07, 2021, 12:18:16 PM

He claimed to be a special one when he won the league title during his first season with the club he had just coached. For now, it seems that it can no longer be called a special one.

Agree. Mourinho is no longer a special one, he is just an average coach. In the last few clubs he managed, he got difficulties winning any trophies, especially League and UCL trophies. Maybe there are many quality coaches lately, so the competition to win the League or UCL, be tighter. However, we cannot deny that Mourinho has a good ability in managing a football team. He is still one of the reputable coaches and has many experiences managing big clubs.

His system has weakened over the years and it is not fitting all the clubs also. But it seems like Roma can be the right place for him to maybe even achieve something. Roma started really good to the season. Winning the Serie A title may not be very easy but they can still end the season at a really good position. And maybe they can win the Europa Conference League title this season. As long as Mourinho has a good season, I guess that he will continue at Roma.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on September 07, 2021, 06:50:40 PM

Agree. Mourinho is no longer a special one, he is just an average coach. In the last few clubs he managed, he got difficulties winning any trophies, especially League and UCL trophies. Maybe there are many quality coaches lately, so the competition to win the League or UCL, be tighter. However, we cannot deny that Mourinho has a good ability in managing a football team. He is still one of the reputable coaches and has many experiences managing big clubs.

Exactly, I always say if mourinho still good manager, he have experience and ability to bring something different for Roma after they are failed to be at least as runner up for a long time. and I believe with him.

Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 08, 2021, 12:58:27 AM

Disagree with your opinion about Jose Mourinho is not special one coach because he was success with many club and make treble winner for Inter Milan although on 2010, just unlucky with several club before like Tottenham Hotspur without any star label player and make him not really give magic for Tottenham to get trophies,

Yes, I can't deny the history of the treble winner with Inter Milan. However, we see Manchester United's performance from 2017-19 after he claimed UEFA title, with Tottenham last season, is very different from Mourinho as we know before. While with tottenham he failed to present a trophy, in his first season coaching this club. which means that the claim to always presenting the title in the first season has been broken, so it is no longer a special one (1 trophy in the first season) CMIIW. Well we have difference view about this, but as my comment before, mourinho still good manager. no doubt about this.

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Quote from: Kusman on September 08, 2021, 04:02:38 AM

We have a huge match this week that is going to be played between Napoli and Juventus in Naples. Napoli had a quick start by defeating Venezia and Genoa. However, Juventus still don't have any win. They missed a big opportunity against Udinese as they let them make a comeback from 2-0. And they were defeated by Empoli home very surprisingly. And now, Ronaldo has left also. They should be able to pull themselves as soon as possible. Most probably, they will struggle against Napoli and even lose this match. But after this match, they need to start getting good results.

I predict Napoli easy to win from Juventus with margin score above 2 goal, without Ronaldo have gone almost 50% for Juventus power and difficult looking for new forward to make many goal for Juventus. Lorenzo Insigne will be man of the match for Napoli and I prefer he will make goal for Napoli, beside Juventus goal keeper make many fault last two match and will keep the same when faced with Napoli.

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Quote from: Kusman on September 08, 2021, 04:02:38 AM

We have a huge match this week that is going to be played between Napoli and Juventus in Naples. Napoli had a quick start by defeating Venezia and Genoa. However, Juventus still don't have any win. They missed a big opportunity against Udinese as they let them make a comeback from 2-0. And they were defeated by Empoli home very surprisingly. And now, Ronaldo has left also. They should be able to pull themselves as soon as possible. Most probably, they will struggle against Napoli and even lose this match. But after this match, they need to start getting good results.

Interesting fact in this match, I think both will not be able to play with their best squad for few reasons.
Napoli has some players in injuries while many main Juventus players are in their duties for their country (WC Qual)
Will be a hard game for Juventus as their main players might not be in their best form due to fatigue and fitness issue.

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Quote from: Kusman on September 08, 2021, 04:02:38 AM

We have a huge match this week that is going to be played between Napoli and Juventus in Naples. Napoli had a quick start by defeating Venezia and Genoa. However, Juventus still don't have any win. They missed a big opportunity against Udinese as they let them make a comeback from 2-0. And they were defeated by Empoli home very surprisingly. And now, Ronaldo has left also. They should be able to pull themselves as soon as possible. Most probably, they will struggle against Napoli and even lose this match. But after this match, they need to start getting good results.

Not that much Bro. Sad to see Juventus encouraged as un under-dog despite all the potential it has.
Juventus is still powerful against napoli even without Ronaldo. When check statistics, except for the match played in last Februry when Napoli won, Napoli didn't win any match against Juventus since 2018.
Juventus didn't do well during the last two matches, but i think it still can compete with Napoli to get a good standing among the first five top clubs; it lost against Empoli [0:1] and a draw with Udinese [2:2] which i think are not a very rud results compared to Napoli who won the last two matches against two weak teams Venezia and Genoa which have less standings than Juventus .

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Quote from: AndySt on September 07, 2021, 06:42:39 PM

It's just that this style of behavior and leadership of the club has long been developed by Mourinho and nothing can be done or changed about it. Mourinho is a great motivator and knows how to shake up the team, but this method of managing the club has side effects and does not always work.

Side effects. When players don't feel happy and Mourinho is under pressure from club president, conflict between Mourinho and players will destroy clubs. Players will be winners because club presidents now prioritize players especially star players rather than coaches or managers.

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Let there have been no great successes in his coaching career recently, it is very difficult to constantly show only the route of take-off and take-offs are usually followed by falls, and it seems that Mourinho has not yet exhausted his resource.

Mourinho has to change his management style with players. His tactics is still usable and can help clubs to win matches and trophies. His management for players need to be changed, be softer and more friendly with players. He should not blame on players for bad results. Conflict will occur and Mourinho will be quarantined by players. He will fail again.

I hope he will not create those chaotic conflict in Roma and wish him success there.

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We have a huge match this week that is going to be played between Napoli and Juventus in Naples. Napoli had a quick start by defeating Venezia and Genoa. However, Juventus still don't have any win. They missed a big opportunity against Udinese as they let them make a comeback from 2-0. And they were defeated by Empoli home very surprisingly. And now, Ronaldo has left also. They should be able to pull themselves as soon as possible. Most probably, they will struggle against Napoli and even lose this match. But after this match, they need to start getting good results.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 08, 2021, 12:58:27 AM

Disagree with your opinion about Jose Mourinho is not special one coach because he was success with many club and make treble winner for Inter Milan although on 2010, just unlucky with several club before like Tottenham Hotspur without any star label player and make him not really give magic for Tottenham to get trophies, but now AS Roma become new challenge for The Special One Jose Mourinho to give proof and his magic AS Roma will get scudetto again after long time on 2001 ever got that trophy. Many young player on his team give more motivate and power how to win every match.

Mourinho is such a special coach that he is named The Special One. I think he is still good, but in recent years his adventures have not been good enough in terms of team achievements. The team that signed him wanted the title, while the players didn't do well and the title wish never materialized. This season I don't think he and his team won't win the title either. Intense competition will make it difficult.

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Quote from: Lordhermes on September 07, 2021, 07:08:26 PM

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Quote from: masulum on September 07, 2021, 12:18:16 PM

He claimed to be a special one when he won the league title during his first season with the club he had just coached. For now, it seems that it can no longer be called a special one.

Agree. Mourinho is no longer a special one, he is just an average coach. In the last few clubs he managed, he got difficulties winning any trophies, especially League and UCL trophies. Maybe there are many quality coaches lately, so the competition to win the League or UCL, be tighter. However, we cannot deny that Mourinho has a good ability in managing a football team. He is still one of the reputable coaches and has many experiences managing big clubs.

There are times when things are good and there times when thing go bad,and also there are times when things go even worst.Morinho has been a good coach over the years which everybody knows,he still has his regards uptil now,but right now,his tactics no longer works for him,as simple as that.A team can bring him back to life,and my mind is telling me Roma can make Morinho called the special one once again.

Disagree with your opinion about Jose Mourinho is not special one coach because he was success with many club and make treble winner for Inter Milan although on 2010, just unlucky with several club before like Tottenham Hotspur without any star label player and make him not really give magic for Tottenham to get trophies, but now AS Roma become new challenge for The Special One Jose Mourinho to give proof and his magic AS Roma will get scudetto again after long time on 2001 ever got that trophy. Many young player on his team give more motivate and power how to win every match.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on September 07, 2021, 06:50:40 PM

Quote from: masulum on September 07, 2021, 12:18:16 PM

He claimed to be a special one when he won the league title during his first season with the club he had just coached. For now, it seems that it can no longer be called a special one.

Agree. Mourinho is no longer a special one, he is just an average coach. In the last few clubs he managed, he got difficulties winning any trophies, especially League and UCL trophies. Maybe there are many quality coaches lately, so the competition to win the League or UCL, be tighter. However, we cannot deny that Mourinho has a good ability in managing a football team. He is still one of the reputable coaches and has many experiences managing big clubs.

There are times when things are good and there times when thing go bad,and also there are times when things go even worst.Morinho has been a good coach over the years which everybody knows,he still has his regards uptil now,but right now,his tactics no longer works for him,as simple as that.A team can bring him back to life,and my mind is telling me Roma can make Morinho called the special one once again.

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That interesting match on Sunday (12/9), AC Milan vs Lazio. No Doubt, I will bet for Milan, [..]

I wouldn't dare to bet on Milan to win the match. Both teams won the first 2 matches but the beaten teams by both Milan and Lazio are not great team. But if you are so sure that Milan will win then you get a very nice odd 2.1 but I think you should not spend to much as the league is still in the early stage where unpredictable may come anytime.[..]

Milan is not a bad team but that 2.1 odds is already telling you that it is not an easy game. Any bettor would know that when you are wagering on something that is 2+ odds that means it is not an easy game and you have a chance to lose that game. However if you want to bet, you also get a good return on your bet as well, more than doubling your investment when you bet on that, which is all we needed.[..]

Thanks for the point, I will be thinking again about my bet, look like I choose quite a bold move to bet on Milan. maybe because Milan is a favorite team and playing at home either and I don't look at the technical and strategy of bets. but I'm pretty sure this time, without Giroud, Milan still has Ibra and Kessie, I hope both make the surprise on San Siro and me.

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Quote from: masulum on September 07, 2021, 12:18:16 PM

He claimed to be a special one when he won the league title during his first season with the club he had just coached. For now, it seems that it can no longer be called a special one.

Agree. Mourinho is no longer a special one, he is just an average coach. In the last few clubs he managed, he got difficulties winning any trophies, especially League and UCL trophies. Maybe there are many quality coaches lately, so the competition to win the League or UCL, be tighter. However, we cannot deny that Mourinho has a good ability in managing a football team. He is still one of the reputable coaches and has many experiences managing big clubs.

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I was quite surprised that Mourinho was able to make Roma win twice by scoring so many goals, it was extraordinary and beyond the predictions of
many people.

I am not surprised because Roma has a good squad and is managed by a top manager, Mourinho. All people know how good the reputation of Mourinho was, when he managed Inter Milan to get 3 trophies in one season. It was proven that Mourinho is a great coach and very suitable for the Italian football atmosphere. I am pretty sure that Mourinho can be successful with Roma this season. I expect that Roma can finish in the top 3 at the end of this season. Wink

Although nowadays many people say that Morinho's reputation has been reduced due to his failure at tottenham, but it looks like Morinho has brought quite a big change in the As roma squad this season, and of course by bringing AS Roma to become champion will again make Morinho good name reckoned as a one of the best coaches.
Although Morinho is a pretty reliable coach, to be honest, I personally don't like seeing his behavior that continues to spark controversy and has no respect at all for the club or other coaches.

It's just that this style of behavior and leadership of the club has long been developed by Mourinho and nothing can be done or changed about it. Mourinho is a great motivator and knows how to shake up the team, but this method of managing the club has side effects and does not always work. Let there have been no great successes in his coaching career recently, it is very difficult to constantly show only the route of take-off and take-offs are usually followed by falls, and it seems that Mourinho has not yet exhausted his resource. Although, of course, each subsequent failure narrows the circle of applicants for his services, and Jose is used to working with teams that claim something. The most important thing is that these claims are supported by finances and the appropriate team composition. In any case, you should not rush to make far-reaching conclusions for several rounds and wait at least for the middle of the season.

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