Topic: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) - page 353. (Read 850804 times)

Many people believe that preseason games do not predict how a club will do throughout the season, but I am always worried when a big team fails to win any of its preseason games. Motta has not won any of his preseason games since being appointed as Juventus' new coach, this team didn't sign enough players in this transfer window, and I'm wondering why Motta wanted to let some players leave the club, he did not include some players in his next project, and they want to sell Chiese, one of their best forwards they had last season, but no team is interested for him at the moment. However, Juventus must improve more than they did in the friendly games because Motta will face difficult challenges on his debut. I hope he succeeds in his first season with the club, if not, considering their pre-season performance, Juventus still has a lot of work to do.

For a coach or even a player to perform well and bring out his potentials, time is needed but the question is does Juventus have that luxury? We've seen how they kept rising and falling after those points were deducted from them and I commended their drive but then towards the tail end of the season where they should have clinched second place, they began flopping and had to lose the spot to Milan. Like I said, many will be expecting Motta to wave his magic wand and turn the Old Lady into a club that will stand a chance against Inter Milan this new season and with the influx of new players, maybe they can do better than they have been performing in the friendlies.

Even though the final result was that Juventus lost 2-0 to Atletico Madrid, it seems that Thiago Motta has a different assessment regarding his team's development. Because of course losing in this match is not a good thing for Juventus. So so far I don't understand why Thiago Motta said his team had quite good development. Because from what I see, Juventus' performance doesn't seem to have made significant progress. Maybe what I can appreciate about Juventus' performance in this match is only in terms of ball control. The reason is, even though Juventus lost this match, in terms of ball control, Juventus was slightly superior. However, this is not strange, because even before Thiago Motta became coach at Juventus, his performance was like this. The point is that Juventus' midfield is quite good, but the front and back lines are not good. That's why Juventus often controls the ball, but it is very difficult to penetrate the opponent's defense, and when attacked by the opponent, Juventus' defense is not strong enough.

Apart from that, I also have hopes for Juventus this season. However, it looks like Juventus will have a little difficulty competing to get into the top 4 of Serie A. Because as mentioned, adaptation is really needed by Juventus in this phase. The reason is that apart from having to adapt to Thiago Motta as the new coach, Juventus also has many new players at the moment, and there are also several mainstay Juventus players who have left this season. So you can be sure that the adjustments that Juventus must make at this time will definitely take quite a long time. That's why I also have a little doubt about Juventus next season. But even so, hopefully Juventus can provide a surprise in the next season. The reason is, I haven't seen Juventus successful for a long time.

Hopefully this preseason match is not a true Juventus performance at all because Juventus fans are really expecting better results from their new coach.
Thiago Motta needs time to make Juventus impressive but from what I have seen so far he seems excited with his new job he will definitely do his best.

Yes Juventus' first match will be against Como seeing their opponent is very active in recruiting many players but they recruit ordinary players, I am not sure they can beat Juventus because Juventus players are better and stronger.

I agree with you. Juventus performed poorly in the preseason tour. But as you said the new coach will need time to adapt. I won't even be harsh on him for one season because it's not easy to adapt to a team. But at least Thiago Motta didn't really disappoint the fans by getting a bad rating at the end of the season. Their first match is against COMO, a promoted club who is said to have made a lot of good signings in the transfer window this season. We can see how Motta's tactics will play in the first match. I expect a good performance from Juventus because I don't think anyone would have predicted COMO to win that match.

I also think Roma thought José Mourinho would do better because he is great coach. But they did not give him enough money to get players he needed. Mourinho usually gets good results when he has right team. But Roma did not have enough money so he could not do as well as they hoped. I also do not think De Rossi was right choice. He did okay at first but then things got worse. It is not fair to judge him after just half a season. I hope he learns from his mistakes and do better next season. Maybe with more time and help he can make things better for Roma.

Maybe since its friendly they don't want to push things to hard maybe that is the excuse they will give after they have actually failed to win any game they only drew some. Losing does not warrant giving excuses because people will not even listen because if you as a club have actually played well then you should not be looking for a reason to why you lost the game. And of late juventus have lost their confidence and have not be playing well of late because for you not to even win one friendly shows that you are not prepared.  And I don't know how they will play this season league if they are already losing friendly games, it is actually getting worst for juventus.  We are wait for the season to start so that we can see what Motta will come up with, when the season starts the challenges will increase.

Some clubs will always think that it is always about signing if your club is not coordinated then even if you sign in a new player their won't be any difference because the work load will be to much for the good once and it will slow down their performance so at least their target should be how to improve the weaker once so that anyone you are buying to be able to perform well and assist the news once coming.

Indeed, to motivate all the players in the club and also to motivate the coach himself, a club must always get good results when they start the season. And maybe Juventus should also be able to get good results in the first week of this season. And the opponent they will face is COMO. Actually, I see this club as quite an ambitious club. So Juventus should not underestimate him. Because we know COMO is even the fastest in adding new players in the transfer market. But Juventus in terms of quality should be more reliable. But we really won't know which one will be superior if the season hasn't started yet.

All teams added new players in this transfer market. Because everyone also wants to increase their strength and cover their weaknesses. And yes, in pre-season matches, it seems like all the teams haven't shown their true performance. And yes, when the season starts, all teams will start to show their true performance.

Juventus needs to start the season very well. If they start the league well, it will be motivating for both the coach and the players and it will be easier for them to achieve the success they want. The Italian league is a difficult league and it is very difficult to make a prediction without playing the matches and seeing if the teams are ready. If Motta can take what he achieved last season to a higher level this season, it could be a great opportunity for them.

Other teams are also making additions to their squads and the quality of the league continues to increase. It looks like there will be a tough championship race this year. Since pre-season friendlies are games where the teams do not show their full performance, it can be misleading to make an assessment based on the scores in these games.

Maybe I trust Thiago Motta now. because he also managed to change Bologna for the better in just two seasons. Last season, Bologna even managed to get tickets to the UCL thanks to the coach, Thiago Motta. So if Thiago Motta is able to make Bologna experience development then I don't think it will be difficult for Thiago Motta to bring development to Juventus too. But the problem is that nothing is instant. Everything will require a process and the process takes time. So in his first season at Juventus we don't need to have too high hopes. Well, because after all he is still new at Juventus and all the players have to adapt to his coaching style.

And yes, after finishing the pre-season match against Atletico Madrid we saw Juventus lose. But Thiago Motta actually feels confident that Juventus is getting better and better. And the most important thing is that currently Juventus has not finished the player transfer window. there are still several players to be brought in. For example, Juventus is currently targeting Nico Gonzales from Fiorentina.

I see Roma management does not have a big dream in Serie A so their performance is very stagnant. The transition of coaching from Mourinho to De Rossi is not an effort to improve but only a setback that occurred. I really praise Mourinho's performance even though he was only able to provide a title in the league conference but in my opinion the title was really extraordinary for Roma who had not felt any title for a long time. So now Roma is just an ordinary team and will never be able to compete at the top.

While I agree that De Rossi started awesome, but he did not finish well. If you check his first 10 games at Roma, you will think that De Rossi was a much better manager at Roma than what Mourinho did, it looked like they were going great and then they started to be even worse, so the return became not that great.

This of course is not something that we should be all expecting De Rossi to do bad or good this season, just wait and see. Mourinho was fine, but Roma basically said if they are going to pay that much for a manager, that manager might as well take them to UCL or at least somewhere decent, and Roma did terribly at the league with Mourinho, yes they won conference and finalist at Europa, but both years sucked at league, which meant not so good for them.

Roma probably expected better results from José Mourinho because he is a great coach. That’s why they probably thought if they brought him in, they would probably not have to spend as much money as they would have to with some other coach. But that was the wrong decision. Because José Mourinho is a coach who can bring incredible results if he has the squad that he wants. As he had access to a very restricted fund, he was unable to bring in that good offer a result which they expected.

When Roma brought in De Rossi as a coach, I almost knew that it was not going to work out. Even when he started bringing in good results, I just had a feeling that it was not going to last very long. And that’s exactly what has happened. At the start, he was bringing in pretty good results. But after the “honeymoon period“ was over, he was unable to bring in good results anymore. But it is not fair to judge him after just watching half of the season that he was in charge of the squad. Hopefully, things will change for the better in the next season for him.

Juventus couldn't beat any team during the friendlies (except their own U23 team  ). From now on I don't see any friendly game, tournament etc. waiting for them. The Serie A starts for them in exactly a week. I'm really curious about what will be changing in Motta era. I won't go harsh on him at the beginning of course. He would need some time to make the team more competitive.

The biggest problem here is that Juventus couldn't apply their plans smoothly in the transfer window. There are some good new signings but that's all. A renovation has been what they needed actually.  

Intermilan previously had pre-season matches with consecutive wins, but before the pre-season match was about to end, Intermilan's performance dropped drastically and from the last three pre-season matches they were not able to get a single win, but in my opinion this will not change my view on Intermilan for next season,  as the team that won the Scudetto last season of course Intermilan has a big chance of being able to defend the title, especially now that they have made many changes to their squad by throwing away many players who did not contribute last season and bringing in several new players, In my opinion, Inzaghi will definitely be able to make Intermilan repeat their achievements last season in Serie A.

There is good news for Inter Milan fans at the moment, namely that their mainstay striker  has extended his contract after a lot of speculation continues to surround him at the moment, Lautaro Martinez has been an important player for them all this time and they are very lucky to be able to keep him until 2029 later with a salary increase of around 9 million euros per year plus 2 million euros as an additional bonus.



Source: https://twitter.com/Inter/status/1823027283780616664?t=9FdQZxWVaKzRJaQpEpk9mw&s=19

Juventus pre season tour is dissapointing especially when they beated by Nürnberg 3-0 which this team is from Bundesliga 2 although at that time Juventus was playing with some of their reserved players but lost with that score is really not acceptable and their poor result is continue today after lost from Atletico Madrid and these results is makes Thiago Motta have to working more hard to improved Juventus performance because Serie A will be started this weekend and Juventus has match against promotion team Como

I will analyzed the causes why Juventus has showing poor performance during pre season tour because Thiago Motta did making extreme changes in this team with sell 8 key players this summer so this makes Juventus player is required more time to adapt and about Juventus chances for the title i think we still cannot decided yet and we should be see their performance for next 15 matches in Serie A and if Juventus can gets positive progress from those matches then probably they can compete with Inter Milan for race title

Today Thiago Motta said after a match against Atletico that he is convinced of the quality & performance of squad and they were improving constantly

Actually, I am very hopeful about Juventus this season. I think finally they will be able to overcome the problems that they had and will be able to start performing well, and consistently. Now I don’t think that success is going to come instantly, they will have to work really hard. I mean finishing in the top 4 positions is already going to be very hard for them. And if Thiago Motta actually wants to compete for the title, that is going to be extra hard. Yes at the start of the season, you can't expect they are not going to bring in consistent results. Because we have to remember that they are going to play under a new coach. And it will take time for them to actually get used to with the new tactics of Thiago Motta. So I will say I am hopeful and I am expecting them to bring in consistent results after a few matches.

Source: https://www.juventus.com/en/news/articles/atletico-madrid-juventus-thiago-motta-s-thoughts

It can be said that they are fixing the squad in the team. However, with that, it is not certain whether they will really be in the top 3 race or not next season to compete with the top tier, especially Inter Milan. So far, Inter Milan still has the bigger chance.

Yes, because basically, no matter how good the coach is, if the players are bad and especially do not fit with the coach, then it will be more difficult to develop. In fact, the performance will drop even more.

As of now, Roma's expenditure has risen to €88.60m
Meanwhile, their income is at €16.50m and there has been no progress.


An option to do by de Rossi, will it really work well?

Source: De Rossi to rotate Lorenzo Pellegrini with Enzo Le Fée

That is also something that must be appreciated from De Rossi's performance with AS Roma, at the beginning of the agreement between them was to cover the place left by Jose Mourinho and that was only until the end of the season. However, De Rossi did not show any despair, he continued to give his best with the squad left by Jose Mourinho so that he could get even higher trust from AS Roma to remain in the coaching chair for this season.

Now he can build the squad he wants, so he should be able to do better than before. AS Roma also spent more money this season, maybe De Rossi managed to convince them to spend funds in the transfer market. Because what I know is that AS Roma is very difficult to spend money in the transfer market, they are known as a club that is frugal in buying players and this season will be a difference where they can be a little generous.

De Rossi started his coaching career early. I think he had a really successful season at Roma last year. Especially considering that he took over the team as a continuation of Jose Mourinho’s bad management. When Mourinho brought in De Rossi, everyone criticized the management, but it seems that Daniele De Rossi has refuted all of that criticism. He managed to take Roma to the top of the rankings and if they are in Europe this year, he is responsible for that. We can more clearly evaluate whether he was successful or not by considering his performance this year.