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Quote from: Altryist on March 25, 2024, 11:28:18 AM

Perhaps Juventus will wake up when Bologna gets closer to them. Lazio is also not doing well, so trying to predict anything in this match is not easy. Milan may well continue to increase their lead over Juventus, as Juve could lose points again in this round. By the way, LAFC sent Giroud an offer to join them as a free agent, so he could very well leave Milan this summer.

It is time for Juventus to recover their performance. I think winning Lazio will not be a problem to Juventus despite their inconsistency because they defeated Lazio in their first leg match, they have good winning record against Lazio.
I was expecting Juventus to compete for the Seria A title alongside Milan because they are absent in Champions League and the Europa League as well, but they loses form along the way which was why they couldn’t make it and Inter Milan was very serious this season again, they really wanted to win the Seria A title since they have been eliminated in the Champions League; but I still expect Juventus to qualify to the Champions League next season.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on March 25, 2024, 04:19:31 AM

Quote from: MK-74 on March 24, 2024, 05:51:59 PM

Milan will have a hard time against Fiorentina, but they will not lose. The league champion is now clear, but the competition with Juventus for the 2nd place continues.
My prediction is that Milan will win this game and keep the points difference with Juventus.

The current odds are for the result of this game are like below:

This is a quite close game that's for sure. The point gap between these teams shouldn't misguide people. I wouldn't place a bet on a side here but both teams to score could be a really good option for this one. Fiorentina beat them in their last two games against Milan home. The scores were like 2-1 and 4-3 so over 2.5 goals could be another nice option.

Milan aren't catching up with Inter from now on when we look at the standings. They would like to maintain the second position until the end of the season at least. While Juventus are playing against Lazio away Milan had better get a good result here.

The odds for both of them don't seem much different and choosing one of them seems a little risky even though the odds for both of them look very tempting even though Milan has been in a good trend lately but the bookie has put the odds quite close to Fiorentina so it's quite difficult to determine which one of them will win. Statistically, in this match, both have almost equal chances of a draw and this match can still happen.

AC Milan no longer has a chance to overtake Inter because the difference between the two is very far, the only thing AC Milan can achieve this season is to be in 2nd place to maintain that place because Juventus is still Milan's biggest rival in the fight for second place. Juventus also experienced a match that was not much different from Milan, namely against Lazio, even though in the points table Lazio and Fiorentina were in close positions, which means their performance was almost the same. Milan and Juventus both played away against them.

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Fiorentina always makes it difficult for their opponents who play at home because they have more strength when playing at home, however, AC Milan will not just let defeat happen to them. AC Milan will try as much as possible to get the full three points so they can sit comfortably in their position. secondly because Juventus and AC Milan are still fighting for the runner up position. Either AC Milan or Juventus both still have the opportunity to overtake depending on their efforts to maintain consistency.

AC Milan and Fiorentina are quite strong teams but I am sure that AC Milan will fight with all their might to win. Currently AC Milan is in second place on the standings so it is impossible for them to miss the opportunity to get additional points in the match against Fiorentina. As you said, Juventus is currently also in third place with a very narrow point difference with AC Milan, therefore this time AC Milan must continue to try to win.

All teams will fight hard to win, especially as Fiorentina and C Milan are the two top Serie A teams, of course making this match full of prestige.
In terms of performance, AC Milan is very good right now, but Fiorentina, who will be playing at home, of course doesn't want to just lose points, both teams have their own motivations in this match and what is clear is that this match will be fierce and difficult for both teams.

The Italian Serie A is one of the top five leagues in Europe and at such, winning the league is without doubt a very important achievement that every Italian club will want to achieve as much as they can but at the moment, neither AC Milan or Fiorentina is in a good position to lift the scudetto as far as this season is concerned instead the two clubs are in the quarter finals of two different European competitions which the first leg of the two legged ties will be played next two week Thursday and that's why I don't think their upcoming league game against each other will be too important to both teams.
Next two week Thursday, AC Milan will host Roma for their first leg of the UEFA Europa League quarter final tie while Fiorentina will travel to Viktoria Plzen for the first leg of their UEFA Conference League game. Fiorentina will definitely want to win the game against AC Milan this weekend while the second placed team in the Italian Serie A will also be going for a win but I think they'll not be giving their all in that game when they know there's a more important game coming up soon

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Quote from: Altryist on March 25, 2024, 11:28:18 AM

Quote from: Marvell1 on March 25, 2024, 11:14:29 AM

I think the match between Milan and Fiorentina is not going to be a very hard one for Milan to actually win. Milan has the capability to win this one without even conceding a goal. Now I understand that the defense of Milan has not been the best. But at the same time, the attacking from Fiorentina has not been the best either. My prediction this is going to be a score something like 2-0 or 2-1 in favor of Fiorentina. But of course, I could be wrong.

Juventus might have a little bigger problem in hand compared to Milan. You know Juventus is not in the best of form right now. And it is very possible that Juventus only get 1 point from this match or even lose. But to be honest I don't think it is going to be so bad for Juventus that they will lose this match. But I really have a feeling that this might be a draw between Juventus and Lazio.

Perhaps Juventus will wake up when Bologna gets closer to them. Lazio is also not doing well, so trying to predict anything in this match is not easy. Milan may well continue to increase their lead over Juventus, as Juve could lose points again in this round. By the way, LAFC sent Giroud an offer to join them as a free agent, so he could very well leave Milan this summer.

Juventus is still not in trouble. Since they lost the title race, their main priority is to qualify for the Champions League and start over next season. For the sake of their own confidence and satisfaction, this downtrend is still not really justifiable as they do have a strong enough team to seriously compete for the 2nd position. But whatever their problem is at the moment, there is no reason yet to become nervous and Bologna isn't really their problem.

Nonetheless, there are still eight games to go and they still have to play against their main competitors, namely Roma, AC Milan and Bologna. The other opponents aren't weak either, so there is also no reason to lean back and think that the season is over.

It's about prestige, too. Money of course as well as the finishing position means some income for them. I am curious how their new squad for the next season will be set up.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on March 25, 2024, 11:07:32 AM

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Fiorentina always makes it difficult for their opponents who play at home because they have more strength when playing at home, however, AC Milan will not just let defeat happen to them. AC Milan will try as much as possible to get the full three points so they can sit comfortably in their position. secondly because Juventus and AC Milan are still fighting for the runner up position. Either AC Milan or Juventus both still have the opportunity to overtake depending on their efforts to maintain consistency.

AC Milan and Fiorentina are quite strong teams but I am sure that AC Milan will fight with all their might to win. Currently AC Milan is in second place on the standings so it is impossible for them to miss the opportunity to get additional points in the match against Fiorentina. As you said, Juventus is currently also in third place with a very narrow point difference with AC Milan, therefore this time AC Milan must continue to try to win.

All teams will fight hard to win, especially as Fiorentina and C Milan are the two top Serie A teams, of course making this match full of prestige.
In terms of performance, AC Milan is very good right now, but Fiorentina, who will be playing at home, of course doesn't want to just lose points, both teams have their own motivations in this match and what is clear is that this match will be fierce and difficult for both teams.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on March 25, 2024, 11:07:32 AM

Quote from: wakier on March 25, 2024, 08:46:03 AM

Fiorentina always makes it difficult for their opponents who play at home because they have more strength when playing at home, however, AC Milan will not just let defeat happen to them. AC Milan will try as much as possible to get the full three points so they can sit comfortably in their position. secondly because Juventus and AC Milan are still fighting for the runner up position. Either AC Milan or Juventus both still have the opportunity to overtake depending on their efforts to maintain consistency.

AC Milan and Fiorentina are quite strong teams but I am sure that AC Milan will fight with all their might to win. Currently AC Milan is in second place on the standings so it is impossible for them to miss the opportunity to get additional points in the match against Fiorentina. As you said, Juventus is currently also in third place with a very narrow point difference with AC Milan, therefore this time AC Milan must continue to try to win.

Yes, even though currently Fiorentina is only in eighth position, the reality is that Fiorentina has had good results in home matches so far this season. Of the 14 home matches that have been played, Fiorentina managed to have 8 wins, 3 draws and also 3 defeats. Also, about Milan and Fiorentina first meeting this season when Milan played at home, in reality Milan only managed to win with a narrow score of 1-0. With considerations like that, it looks like it won't be easy for Milan to beat Fiorentina at the Stadio Artemio Franchi. Because, based on the existing head to head results, at least Fiorentina has quite a good record when playing at home against Milan. So yes, it's not surprising that at this moment the odds for Fiorentina and Milan only have a slight difference.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on March 25, 2024, 11:14:29 AM

I think the match between Milan and Fiorentina is not going to be a very hard one for Milan to actually win. Milan has the capability to win this one without even conceding a goal. Now I understand that the defense of Milan has not been the best. But at the same time, the attacking from Fiorentina has not been the best either. My prediction this is going to be a score something like 2-0 or 2-1 in favor of Fiorentina. But of course, I could be wrong.

Juventus might have a little bigger problem in hand compared to Milan. You know Juventus is not in the best of form right now. And it is very possible that Juventus only get 1 point from this match or even lose. But to be honest I don't think it is going to be so bad for Juventus that they will lose this match. But I really have a feeling that this might be a draw between Juventus and Lazio.

Perhaps Juventus will wake up when Bologna gets closer to them. Lazio is also not doing well, so trying to predict anything in this match is not easy. Milan may well continue to increase their lead over Juventus, as Juve could lose points again in this round. By the way, LAFC sent Giroud an offer to join them as a free agent, so he could very well leave Milan this summer.

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Quote from: slapper on March 25, 2024, 05:02:33 AM

Quote from: MK-74 on March 24, 2024, 05:51:59 PM

Milan will have a hard time against Fiorentina, but they will not lose. The league champion is now clear, but the competition with Juventus for the 2nd place continues.
My prediction is that Milan will win this game and keep the points difference with Juventus.

You know Milan has to beat Fiorentina to stay on track. At the moment, Serie A is a very different league. Each game is a battle for a spot in Europe. Milan is in good shape and playing well, but Fiorentina won't give up. Milan needs to play with the same level of energy as they did in the derby. Whatever happens, Juventus is ready to take advantage

When it comes to Juventus, Lazio is a tough opponent. The way they've been playing lately makes it hard for them to win. I'm interested to see where Milan's minds are at in that second spot. That desire to win is what makes the difference. They'll be safe in their spot if they can manage that pressure. Without a doubt, this season will end in a crazy way

I think the match between Milan and Fiorentina is not going to be a very hard one for Milan to actually win. Milan has the capability to win this one without even conceding a goal. Now I understand that the defense of Milan has not been the best. But at the same time, the attacking from Fiorentina has not been the best either. My prediction this is going to be a score something like 2-0 or 2-1 in favor of Fiorentina. But of course, I could be wrong.

Juventus might have a little bigger problem in hand compared to Milan. You know Juventus is not in the best of form right now. And it is very possible that Juventus only get 1 point from this match or even lose. But to be honest I don't think it is going to be so bad for Juventus that they will lose this match. But I really have a feeling that this might be a draw between Juventus and Lazio.

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Quote from: wakier on March 25, 2024, 08:46:03 AM

Fiorentina always makes it difficult for their opponents who play at home because they have more strength when playing at home, however, AC Milan will not just let defeat happen to them. AC Milan will try as much as possible to get the full three points so they can sit comfortably in their position. secondly because Juventus and AC Milan are still fighting for the runner up position. Either AC Milan or Juventus both still have the opportunity to overtake depending on their efforts to maintain consistency.

AC Milan and Fiorentina are quite strong teams but I am sure that AC Milan will fight with all their might to win. Currently AC Milan is in second place on the standings so it is impossible for them to miss the opportunity to get additional points in the match against Fiorentina. As you said, Juventus is currently also in third place with a very narrow point difference with AC Milan, therefore this time AC Milan must continue to try to win.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on March 25, 2024, 04:19:31 AM

Quote from: MK-74 on March 24, 2024, 05:51:59 PM

Milan will have a hard time against Fiorentina, but they will not lose. The league champion is now clear, but the competition with Juventus for the 2nd place continues.
My prediction is that Milan will win this game and keep the points difference with Juventus.

The current odds are for the result of this game are like below:

This is a quite close game that's for sure. The point gap between these teams shouldn't misguide people. I wouldn't place a bet on a side here but both teams to score could be a really good option for this one. Fiorentina beat them in their last two games against Milan home. The scores were like 2-1 and 4-3 so over 2.5 goals could be another nice option.

Milan aren't catching up with Inter from now on when we look at the standings. They would like to maintain the second position until the end of the season at least. While Juventus are playing against Lazio away Milan had better get a good result here.

maybe this match is indeed risky but I will only judge if these two teams have the same advantage when competing at their respective cages as we can see from H2H even though such statistical data cannot be a benchmark of analysis but I still believe Fiorentina can still beat Milan.
I am not a fans of these two teams but I just want to take the risk to benefit from this match and determine choosing to bet for Fiorentina victory.
maybe the betting option that you say is simpler and not too risky but I prefer to take risks with odds equivalent to the risks.

anyone will also avoid betting on this match but at least I try luck to see a narrow victory from Fiorentina.

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Quote from: Warkop on March 25, 2024, 09:48:42 AM

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Milan will have a hard time against Fiorentina, but they will not lose.

In Milan's match against Fiorentina, many people will definitely side with Milan, because Milan's performance is currently in very good condition and their ranking is also in 2nd place in the current standings. This doesn't mean that Milan can easily beat Fiorentina, because this match will be played at Fiorentina's home ground. Because in my opinion this is a big advantage for Fiorentina to be able to win this match in order to take 3 points from Milan. Even though Milan is in good form, in the world of football there is nothing impossible for Fiorentina to win this match, the important thing is to try hard to show their best and maintain consistency in the match.

The prediction for this match is that both teams are very likely to score goals because we can see that both teams have defenses that are not very good and they can be said to score goals quite often in every match.

However, this will be quite difficult to predict because the two of them have quite different targets at the moment.
Fiorentina still has targets in two different competitions, namely the conference league and the Coppa Italia, but of course they will also continue to struggle to get a place in one of the European competitions and the most likely to be achieved is the European league or also the conference league while the champions league is impossible to achieve because of points they are quite far behind other teams, including AC Milan.
Meanwhile, AC Milan will try to advance further in the European league, and only in that competition they still have a chance win the title, while it can be said that the top four positions will be theirs, but I'm not sure any team will underestimate this match, maybe they will be softer so that the final result is a draw.

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Quote from: wakier on March 25, 2024, 08:46:03 AM

Fiorentina always makes it difficult for their opponents who play at home because they have more strength when playing at home, however, AC Milan will not just let defeat happen to them. AC Milan will try as much as possible to get the full three points so they can sit comfortably in their position. secondly because Juventus and AC Milan are still fighting for the runner up position. Either AC Milan or Juventus both still have the opportunity to overtake depending on their efforts to maintain consistency.

In recent seasons matches between Fiorentina and Milan often present high intensity in their games, both have been seen to be quite balanced in winning every game if they meet each other in Serie A, Fiorentina managed to win 2 times and Milan won 4 times in head to head both teams in their last 6 matches, uniquely every victory they always with a very thin score and this indicates if both teams are right True is very balanced, currently Milan certainly has a difficult mission in maintaining their position in the standings, So it is with Fiorentina at this time, who are targeting to be able to reach the European zone.

Both teams have so far been unbeaten in the last 5 matches, although Milan does look quite good but I think Milan might be able to get problems at Fiorentina home later, looking at the statistics and depth of the two teams at the moment,it seems that a draw will be a fair result for both teams at the end of the game, because as you said playing at home to Fiorentina is not an easy job for Ac Milan so far.

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Quote from: wakier on March 25, 2024, 08:46:03 AM

Quote from: MK-74 on March 24, 2024, 05:51:59 PM

Milan will have a hard time against Fiorentina, but they will not lose. The league champion is now clear, but the competition with Juventus for the 2nd place continues.
My prediction is that Milan will win this game and keep the points difference with Juventus.

Fiorentina always makes it difficult for their opponents who play at home because they have more strength when playing at home, however, AC Milan will not just let defeat happen to them. AC Milan will try as much as possible to get the full three points so they can sit comfortably in their position. secondly because Juventus and AC Milan are still fighting for the runner up position. Either AC Milan or Juventus both still have the opportunity to overtake depending on their efforts to maintain consistency.

The competition for Serie A runners up this season is very interesting, because Inter Milan is certain to be unstoppable in winning Serie A this season.
and Ac Milan, who will visit Fiorentina's home ground, has a mission of not wanting to lose points, even though Fiorentina is in good form, AC Milan is trying to get points so that Juventus cannot pass them in the standings.
but Juventus also has to face LAzio, which everyone knows. Lazio is also in good form, even though they failed in the UCL, LAzio is trying to enter the Europa League zone.
So in my opinion AC Milan will leave Juventus and solidify the runner up position in the standings by winning over Fiorentina and Juventus will lose points when they visit Lazio.

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Quote from: MK-74 on March 24, 2024, 05:51:59 PM

Milan will have a hard time against Fiorentina, but they will not lose.

In Milan's match against Fiorentina, many people will definitely side with Milan, because Milan's performance is currently in very good condition and their ranking is also in 2nd place in the current standings. This doesn't mean that Milan can easily beat Fiorentina, because this match will be played at Fiorentina's home ground. Because in my opinion this is a big advantage for Fiorentina to be able to win this match in order to take 3 points from Milan. Even though Milan is in good form, in the world of football there is nothing impossible for Fiorentina to win this match, the important thing is to try hard to show their best and maintain consistency in the match.

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Quote from: wakier on March 25, 2024, 08:46:03 AM

Quote from: MK-74 on March 24, 2024, 05:51:59 PM

Milan will have a hard time against Fiorentina, but they will not lose. The league champion is now clear, but the competition with Juventus for the 2nd place continues.
My prediction is that Milan will win this game and keep the points difference with Juventus.

Fiorentina always makes it difficult for their opponents who play at home because they have more strength when playing at home, however, AC Milan will not just let defeat happen to them. AC Milan will try as much as possible to get the full three points so they can sit comfortably in their position. secondly because Juventus and AC Milan are still fighting for the runner up position. Either AC Milan or Juventus both still have the opportunity to overtake depending on their efforts to maintain consistency.

I think the favorite in this match is Milan, no matter how stubborn that Fiorentina are at home, they will not be able to stop Milan from securing three points on the match day, because Milan needs to keep winning their matches to give them higher chances of finishing the league as second on the table.

Milan is also stronger than Fiorentina is 8th position on the table with 43 points. This shows how weak they will be when they meet Milan, because Milan is stronger than them. In the last 6 matches that Fiorentina played against Milan, Fiorentina only won 2 and Milan won 4. So I still expect Milan to win this match.

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I can't understand what Juventus has shown lately, yes they have shown something bad, and in fact they have only been able to achieve 1 win from the last 5 matches they have played, which means their position has to be shifted by Ac Milan. This week they will visit Lazio's headquarters, and if they have to achieve unsatisfactory results again, then be prepared that they will be threatened by Bologna who are below them with only a difference of 5 points.

Lazio are also in a bad situation, so they should be able to take advantage of that, yes, even though they are also in the same situation, at least when compared as a whole they can still be said to be better than the opponents they will face. Juventus cannot be in a situation like this forever, because if you look at the remaining matches, when they are still achieving many negative results, it is very likely that they will also be eliminated from the top 4 positions in the standings. That's not good for them, because they don't have a busy schedule this season and it could be said that they are only focused on Serie A.

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Quote from: fuguebtc on March 25, 2024, 08:39:07 AM

I will be very interested in this match because the recent performance of Juventus has not been great. If we look at the last 5 matches, they have only a single win and meanwhile lazio actually has two. I am not saying that the current performance of Juventus is worse than Lazio because Lazio has lost three matches in the last five as well and on the other hand, Juventus has been able to draw a few matches.

Anyway, the real thing is Lazio will have to win this match because it is going to give them a potential to get ahead multiple spots in the standings. For Juventus, it is not a match that they have to win. But at the same time, if they are unable to win these matches, they might actually have problems going forward later in the season.

Juventus performance is now gradually declining until they have dropped from second place in the standings, it is possible that the match against Lazio will end in surprise again. Overall statistically, Juventus still deserves to be the favorite to secure full points, even though they have appeared unstable in the last few matches. In fact, Lazio has appeared much more unstable so far, they even had to change coaches to create a turning point in performance. Lazio has a slight advantage because they act as hosts, which in my opinion will make it difficult for Juventus to secure 3 points.

It is important for Juventus to secure 3 points, because Allegri wants Juventus to again overtake Milan position in the standings. Lazio ambition to improve its position in the standings looks like it will be delayed, and I predict the best result that can be achieved is a draw. In fact, Lazio and Juventus will meet twice in the near future, after facing each other in Serie A next week, the two will also meet again in the Coppa Italia semifinals. Although Lazio cannot be underestimated like that, their strength is not more dominant than making Juventus suffer defeat.

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Quote from: MK-74 on March 24, 2024, 05:51:59 PM

Milan will have a hard time against Fiorentina, but they will not lose. The league champion is now clear, but the competition with Juventus for the 2nd place continues.
My prediction is that Milan will win this game and keep the points difference with Juventus.

Fiorentina always makes it difficult for their opponents who play at home because they have more strength when playing at home, however, AC Milan will not just let defeat happen to them. AC Milan will try as much as possible to get the full three points so they can sit comfortably in their position. secondly because Juventus and AC Milan are still fighting for the runner up position. Either AC Milan or Juventus both still have the opportunity to overtake depending on their efforts to maintain consistency.

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Quote from: slapper on March 25, 2024, 05:02:33 AM

Quote from: MK-74 on March 24, 2024, 05:51:59 PM

Milan will have a hard time against Fiorentina, but they will not lose. The league champion is now clear, but the competition with Juventus for the 2nd place continues.
My prediction is that Milan will win this game and keep the points difference with Juventus.

You know Milan has to beat Fiorentina to stay on track. At the moment, Serie A is a very different league. Each game is a battle for a spot in Europe. Milan is in good shape and playing well, but Fiorentina won't give up. Milan needs to play with the same level of energy as they did in the derby. Whatever happens, Juventus is ready to take advantage

When it comes to Juventus, Lazio is a tough opponent. The way they've been playing lately makes it hard for them to win. I'm interested to see where Milan's minds are at in that second spot. That desire to win is what makes the difference. They'll be safe in their spot if they can manage that pressure. Without a doubt, this season will end in a crazy way

I will be very interested in this match because the recent performance of Juventus has not been great. If we look at the last 5 matches, they have only a single win and meanwhile lazio actually has two. I am not saying that the current performance of Juventus is worse than Lazio because Lazio has lost three matches in the last five as well and on the other hand, Juventus has been able to draw a few matches.

Anyway, the real thing is Lazio will have to win this match because it is going to give them a potential to get ahead multiple spots in the standings. For Juventus, it is not a match that they have to win. But at the same time, if they are unable to win these matches, they might actually have problems going forward later in the season.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on March 25, 2024, 04:19:31 AM

Quote from: MK-74 on March 24, 2024, 05:51:59 PM

Milan will have a hard time against Fiorentina, but they will not lose. The league champion is now clear, but the competition with Juventus for the 2nd place continues.
My prediction is that Milan will win this game and keep the points difference with Juventus.

The current odds are for the result of this game are like below:

This is a quite close game that's for sure. The point gap between these teams shouldn't misguide people. I wouldn't place a bet on a side here but both teams to score could be a really good option for this one. Fiorentina beat them in their last two games against Milan home. The scores were like 2-1 and 4-3 so over 2.5 goals could be another nice option.

Milan aren't catching up with Inter from now on when we look at the standings. They would like to maintain the second position until the end of the season at least. While Juventus are playing against Lazio away Milan had better get a good result here.

In my opinion this is quite a scary sight and as we can see the difference in odds is not that big. Here we know that betting on one team will only bring risks and usually it is not what we imagine. For example, we bet on Milan but the winner is Fiorentina, even though we are sure that with odds that big we can make big money.

I think betting on over goals makes more sense and does not rule out the possibility that one team will dominate. I mean, it could be that Milan wins with a landslide score and on the other hand Fiorentina is unable to score at all. So betting on both teams scoring each other's goals is not good enough in my opinion. Milan certainly won't let Juventus take their place again and in one of these fierce matches against Fiorentina we can see they will defend it.

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