Topic: iv4n: Looking for feedback - should the negative tag remain? (Read 1242 times)

He has mentioned he sees nothing wrong with his post but also says that he should have been aware of scam accusations so that is a much better position he is in now than before therefore the feedback will be changed to neutral.

It is nice to know you reflected on this and are aware that your posts can have an impact. Thank you iv4n, the feedback will be changed to neutral.

I hope he has learned from this experience, it certainly seems he has from what he wrote.

Thank you to all who commented in this thread, I appreciate any input regardless of where you stood on the issue. The feedback will be changed to neutral therefore it is time to lock this thread.

Jolly I think you should really stop this drama and change his negative feedback to neutral, that was also suggested by majority of DT members here in this topic including me.

We can all agree that his post for 1xbit has zero value, but I think that he learned his lesson and he will think twice before writing something similar in future.

I write from my mind, and I wrote this specific post from my mind, like all others! I still don't understand how can someone see this post as "shilling for 1xbit and chasing for money"!? That was an honest post and I wrote what I felt at that moment, yes for some possible reward that will be spent on fun and trying the site that many people marked as a scam, what I wrote at the beginning of that post! At that time they got a new manager on the forum, they wrote they will pay more attention to accusations and solving them, so I decided to open the site for the first time and check it...

I have no problems with my post but looks like I should be a lot more aware of scam accusations around (and there are plenty of them for almost all services) and act accordingly! So before writing my own opinion and about my own experience, I should mention all scam accusations around and possible risks when dealing with a specific service!

I have been accused of something I am not guilty of! Even you wrote "the review he left poses minimal damage", is it minimal or no damage at all! How this one post can be "Writing highly dubious and selective reviews for getting paid by scammers"? Why it's dubious and selective... anyone can open 1xbit and will see they accept many coins and they really have an incredible choice of games... as a crypto gambler, I am attracted by that!

I agree that the negative is too harsh and think it should be changed to a neutral. From a trade risk perspective, the review he left poses minimal damage, seeing as how there's already a bunch of warnings about 1xbit in that specific thread (and elsewhere).

He also writes posts that some people seem to enjoy and is known in the Gambling section.

Should DT be tagging members for leaving anything other than negatively-worded reviews for what are in all likelihood scam services?

Sometimes yes if the scam element is obvious, however, it someone realizes what they did wasn't worth it and is unlikely to do it again, I think the negs should be removed or at least downgraded to neutrals.

One question I have for @iv4n is: would you do it all over again if given the chance?

Bear in mind I have no moral judgment about you either way, that's not what this should be about anyway.

I wanted to resolve this peacefully days ago...

I can admit that I had intentions to get those $30 and to spend them like I always do with the "free money"! But to admit that I was desperate and that I am someone who begs for money is something I can't accept! After all, that money still sits there, that shows something, right?

I don't know why Jolly doesn't admit that he overreacted here, without knowing all the facts... numerous people wrote their opinions, and I think there's nobody here who totally agrees with him about this!

The history does not count as only a one incident is enough in the court of Law, but having a good history does make your case strong.


If you admit that you had some intentions of getting the money when you wrote the review, you will be remembered as a honest person.

Now here is what you can do.


You had got the coins but you still did not play. Go play with those coins and share your honest review again.


Lets resolve this by peace.  

Why did you join the conversation in this case? Why did you judge me without any reason? Did you just follow Jolly's example here, without using your brain?


You spoke your mind honestly and I am not? Why do you feel a need to write that stuff? To call me an idiotic parasite who begs for money? I am OK with my feelings, but what you are doing here is not fair, accusing me of something ridiculous!

I never run from the truth! I can be a crap shitposter, I learned everything by myself, by trying things I never did, reading and reading... I know that my English is far from perfect, but I am trying to improve myself as much I can with what I have! I never denied (and you can see that in some of my posts) that my knowledge in some areas is superficial! But I never claimed I am some expert, I know what I know and I write about that honestly, with simple words as I understand it!

If you think there's a better word for what you did then teach me!


You see... you wouldn't trust me why? Because I am a dishonest idiotic parasite who begs for money? And now explain me how this is not tagging someone, and tell me a better word for that...
I will let you do the math, check my profile and how old I am, then check history and you will see was I affected by these personally and directly, and try to imagine in how many ways indirectly!


So you think I should accept my new title as a dishonest person who cries for money around because life is not fair, because you spoke your mind honestly, and your reaction to it is none of your concern?!

I am not bitchin about the negative, I am defending my name! And you don't know me, but you took the liberty to say many things about me...and as you said, you don't know me, but you can judge me anyway, right!?


That's the point, without solid reasons they are throwing false accusations against me... and that is not fair! Simple as that...

LoL, not to offend you but,

You don't know shit about how a person feels when he is being slandered on the internet along with his reputation being squashed without solid reason's.

This is unfair after all.

That sounds like a you problem more so than a me problem, if you know what I mean.  And unless JollyGood chooses to remove that feedback, you don't have a choice in the matter.

You're responsible for your own feelings, dude.  I spoke my mind honestly, and your reaction to it is none of my concern, as you're a crap shitposter who was already on my ignore list.  Also, I didn't tag you.  I don't think you know the definition of that word in the context of the trust system, so it'd be best if you learned it.

Did you fight those wars?  Did you get bombed?  How were you affected by hyperinflation?  Did you get caught up in drug wars?  Those are false arguments unless you were affected by them personally--and don't even bother answering those questions, because I don't know you and wouldn't trust anything you had to say anyway.

And yes, I'm telling you that life isn't fair because:


Bitching about negative feedback on an internet forum being unfair clearly indicates that you're not at all familiar with real unfairness.

You already wrote something, don't forget about it:


Moving forward on this forum with this red tag is unacceptable for me, I will not be able to feel comfortable writing anything if someone marked me as an "idiotic opinion person who begs for money around, a parasite that is shilling for $30!"

And now be honest and truthfully and check my history and then judge! As I said, and I will repeat it, that $30 still sits there... It's how "DESPERATE" I am for that fucking $30.... What Jolly and you are saying doesn't have a base, you are totally wrong and it's hard for you to accept it as it looks like...

And you offended me "The Pharmacist"! As Jolly did! And as I said, it's not even about that post anymore... it's about you tagging me for something imaginable in my mind!
If the community really thinks I am guilty and that I am wrong here, that I am what you and Jolly are saying I am... I can only bend my tail, to apologize for my actions and remove myself from here!

Edit 1:

I already explained... moving forward on this forum with this red tag would be against my character, what can I write honestly anymore ever again after this? You attacked me directly, as I said it's not even about that ridiculous post that can be interpreted differently! We can discuss that post, but you said some things about ME! And that is not fair, you judged me too quickly!

Kids are sleeping, a dog is fed, the wife is satisfied... I am drinking beer and smoking cigars! I can grow more, I know, and I hope I will, in many ways... but all that has nothing with this forum and this situation! I simply can't stand still while some people tarnish my name like this!

Edit 2:


I live in Serbia... 2 wars in my life, bombs, and hyperinflation, drug wars, and whatever we have now in this "to the bones corrupted country"... you will tell me that life is not fair!? Once again you are judging before knowing all facts... probably like Jolly did when tagged me for that post and calling me all those names for silly $30... it's funny...

With JollyGood, I think it's already gotten out of hand at this point.  I would suggest that anyone who has him on their trust list review his sent feedback and question whether there are enough wrongly-left ones to justify an exclusion.  In my case, there are just too many, and that was before his tagging of RapTarX and Little Mouse.

The consensus on the forum is that 1xbit is a complete scam, and I agree with that.  And while I don't tag members who participate in campaigns/bounties that advertise scam services, I have no problem with members who do.  It's harsh, but I do believe that there was discussion before the tagging started and warnings given out (though I'm not sure about the latter).  Members who continued to advertise for 1xbit after all of that deserve what they get IMO.

And as far as your statement about not being able to "move forward" on the forum: grow up.  Moving forward most likely means joining whatever campaign or bounty that'll accept you, and I doubt you're going to get much sympathy for that sort of plight.  Also, life isn't fair.  Get used to it.

Does my post really sounds like I am "desperate to get that $30"?! Why are you pushing this, it's not true, read my post again and show me why would anyone think like that!?

Also check the next page, my next post where I quoted Yahoo and Notblox... Also, check the address, I didn't know I was paid until a few days ago, that money still sits there! So I am so desperate to get $30, but I didn't even touch them after 5 months?


Read my post again...

And it was the first look review, why dubious, why so-called? I opened this specific casino, I checked what they have, I wrote what I saw and what was interesting to me... stated that will try the casino if I get the money! I didn't even know I got the money, so I didn't even try it... I didn't write more about it! It's honesty, I wrote/write what I really do, what I really think... again, check the address for confirmation!


You hit the point, this is exactly that:


This is one of the PM's:

If this is dubious and selective, shilling for 1xbit, crying for money, looking desperate to get $30... then I am the crazy one here!

I can admit that I am full of vices, I do gamble a lot, I am a drinker and smoker... and I enjoy all my vices! I don't have problems with honesty, because I try to speak the truth always, here and in real life, I speak from my experience and from my mind! Some people with whom I spent time gambling and playing various games can tell you! And what you did Jolly here is that you accused me more than just for shilling for 1xbit, you accused me that I am desperate for $30 and that I am a person who begs for money, some of your friends gave me even worse nicknames...and it's what you repeat through all of your posts, and that is simply wrong! You made a wrong judgment about me and maybe you should think about apologizing to me for that... later we can discuss my post and is it really a shilling for 1xbit! Is it "Writing highly dubious and selective reviews" or is it just one post!

Usual threat a filthy and corrupt person would roam around with.

Even your neutral is meaningless here by looking at the gambling history of your so called "protagonist" and your made up stories of being an genuine person.

Clear example of where DT already is with people like you and who trust you still.

You want to know who have interacted with iv4n and their opinion? You will not need to go back too far. I have seen very fewer people to stake their money but they are so active in gambling discussion boards as if they all are born gamblers. Sorry, no offence to anyone if you are a regular poster in gambling discussion but do not risk a dime. It makes sense when I see so many activities. You are so isolated that you do not go out and enjoy a football match with your pals in the pub anymore. All these crap shows are to get in a good paying signature campaign or to prepare yourself to be in a campaign you desire to be in. There are very few people who are genuinely interested in bitcoin. This forum needs to be renamed. An appropriate name could be signaturespammingtalk.org

Anyway, about iv4n, ask those guys who were regular in the bitcointalk poker series. SWCpoker if I am not wrong. As far as I remember, iv4n was one of the nicest contestants among all of us, fuck  figmentofmyass by the way. We won multiple x of $30 and lost a lot too in different poker tables. Why the hack I am even talking about $30, is this even an amount for a poker player? So if you ask me about iv4n then I will say you are wrong about him and all these nonsense you are making because of a post/review whatever you like to call which is left by a user. What the hack is wrong with you? You are putting a bad name to DT network and I do not like it.

I do not see any warrant there, I do not see any risk there, I do not see any damage there. Frankly speaking, nothing is there to raise any alarm. I see over reaction and an approach to make an issue out of nothing, like those XRP created out of thin air. This is not good and very dangerous for the community. Last words to help you to make a decision since you asked, I do not think you even need to leave a neutral on his feedback page at all. Get it out of your head.

No, you did not. All the guys in this series can confirm it including few common names I remember who are Betwrong buwaytress cygan efialtis Steamtyme SyGambler tyKiwanuka Murat yahoo62278 johhnyUA 1r0n1c Trofo morvillz7z cryptofrka Hhampuz

Considering that the account belongs to a fairly avid gamer, and as far as I understand, having a lot of experience, but not yet have any experience with the 1xbit site, he wrote the first impression. Playing on different sites, he probably knows what to compare with. For example, I'm not a gamer, and for my part, the review will sound fake, since I have no idea what gambling sites should look like.
iv4n made it clear that he was aware of the accusations against the site, so he doubts whether it is worth trying and trying at all. And since he knows what gambling sites are, assuming he doesn't waste his money, he can give a complete overview. Again, if he played on this site, then his review would have more power than a person who does not understand the casino. But iv4n honestly says that he knows the reputation of the site, but has no experience there.

Simply put, every day we are asked to express our opinion about a particular product. We can only tell you about a product correctly and honestly if we test it. And for this, there are samplers so that people do not waste money, which they might later regret.

The negative tag seems inappropriate to me here. Again. It depends on the person. This is the account of a player who has experience but does not want to spend his money.
Isn't it?

I agree with most of what you wrote, I quoted the important part but I already mentioned that in the OP. Any user could have looked at the so-called honest review and come to their own conclusion based on the assumed English language proficiency of the member and kept that issue factored in when making a decision. What also cannot be denied is there is also a responsibility on part of the person posting to try their best to avoid controversy too. What happened on this occasion is debatable with strong views on both sides.


From what I can recall we never interacted in the past so it is nice to be acquainted with you. I like the way you posted about this issue throughout the thread. Thank you for your objective views UmerIdrees.

I mentioned the following in the OP making it clear I never interacted with iv4n and do not know how he expresses/articulates himself but keeping that in mind he came across as desperate to get that $30. I am not the only one who noticed that so-called Honest Review with over the top exclamation marks and innuendo (considered akin to begging at least one member).

If those that know him by previous communication are sure that he is not shilling and that feedback was a typical style of posting by him then I have no problem in revising the feedback but for anybody including iv4n to claim others will not mistake that highly dubious so-called honest review for a shill - then they are way off the mark.

As for showing a big heart and changing the feedback, I was always open to changing the feedback to neutral if consensus dictated it and not just for this issue on the shameful so-called honest review left by iv4n but on all other issues too.

In the past I have revised feedback on several occasions either after noticing I left it in haste or by virtue of consensus. unlike what have been alluded to in the forum by certain users, asking for consensus to either edit, remove or modify feedback is sign of strength and co-operation not a sign of weakness.

There is no problem on my part to add/remove/modify any feedback I have left, therefore as soon as iv4n states his so-called honest review could at the very least be misconstrued as promoting or semi-promoting a known scam website such as 1xbit and he had no intention of doing so - I think that would be an acceptable way to end this issue because his acknowledgment of his action by leaving that review and the subsequent ramifications would warrant a neutral tag.

Regarding some other noises being made in the thread which I did not factor in to my decision to change the trust to neutral providing iv4n owns up to his error of judgement for the sake of chasing $30, I am tired of reading nonsensical posts in the forum about "hey I know you so I know you did not mean it" and "this was clearly not a shill attempt" - when it clearly is debatable at the very least and a clear shill at the worst, therefore is a matter of opinion and not as clear as they might imply. Some members claiming there is no ambiguity in the so-called honest review are entitled to their views but so is everyone else.

In short, the negative feedback for iv4n will be replaced with a neutral tag after he acknowledges his so-called honest review can be seen by others as a recommendation to use the 1xbit scam website. If iv4n declines to acknowledge his error then the tag stays at least until some more reputable members put their views forward for consideration. Those I have on my ignore list and on my distrust list will obviously be ignored and their opinions disregarded.

Once again, I have no problem at all with changing or modifying feedback but before that can happen the main protagonist (iv4n) has to accept his error of judgement for the sake of chasing $30 or reputable members have to put forward their views about which tag (if any at all) should suffice and if a sizeable majority think one way or the other I will go with that.

We played poker for a while... did you ever saw me begging for money?! This is more than just negative for me... Jolly and his friends tagged me as a parasite who beg for money and shill for 1xBit...  for what? That post is not even near for what I am accused of here... and I didn't see any arguments from them that support their accusation!

This is not fair and I can't accept it! I simply can't move forward here with this negative mark under my name! And I can't believe that some people don't see what is happening here...

For what it's worth I don't see your red. Long ago, I excluded this particular user. Simply because I don't trust their judgement. (which is what they should have done with you, based on their opinion)
It's funny that the same thigns are still ongoing, and the same sort of "I need the communities opinion" threads pop up. It's simple, especially when it's clear the overstep taking place. I wouldn't hold my breath Iv4n, as it's already been laid out for them in clear terms by one of the few users who understands the system, and uses it accordingly with out faulter.

I'm only posting as we've interacted plenty of times and I know you'll be better off ignoring the rating and probably the user moving forward. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

So this is it? Prosecutor sues you, prosecutor judges you!?

For sure I am not guilty of what Jolly accused me here, that is clear... but still he took the liberty to do what he feels like and nobody can do anything about it?

I guess more people here think that negative shouldn't remain, but who cares about that!? What a funny story this is...

He did the same thing to me. I think JollyGood should be more objective in thinking. I am neither with 1xbit nor against them. If you read customer reviews on every gambling site, it is always positive and negative. If we make a conclusion based on the negative review, then every gambling site on the internet will be tagged SCAM

Below are the reputations of some well-renowned gambling sites in the world
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.bet365.com
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.betway.com
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.bovada.lv
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.paddypower.com

I made my own review and even gave transaction links just to show that I am not just making reviews for the money but as an authentic user of the platform. I support and promote freedom of expression but it is a bad idea when you are trying to keep people shut just because you do not agree with their opinion. It is a bad thing.