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Topic: iv4n: Looking for feedback - should the negative tag remain? - page 4. (Read 1165 times)

legendary
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I think it should be changed to neutral.

I know I have gone on this rant before but I'll do it again briefly here.
On this forum as of now there is no differentiation between 'trading feedback' and 'general feedback'
So, when you leave a negative or positive for anyone who you have not traded with or know actively how they trade it distorts it.

Looking at his feedback iv4n has promoted many questionable things over the years, so if we had 'general feedback' that would be a good place for a negative.
But we don't, we only have the 1 feedback. And it is supposed to be for TRADING. Does not matter what else they say or do.

If you don't like it, talk to the boss:

LoyceV's guide seems reasonable.

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

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Ratings

 - Leave positive ratings if you actively think that trading with this person is safer than with a random person.
 - Leave negative ratings if you actively think that trading with the person is less safe than with a random person.
 - Unstable behavior could very occasionally be an acceptable reason for leaving negative trust, but if it looks like you're leaving negative trust due to personal disagreements, then that's inappropriate. Ratings are not for popularity contests, virtue signalling, punishing people for your idea of wrongthink, etc.
 - Post-flags, ratings have less impact. It's only an orange number. Some amount of "leave ratings first, ask questions later" may be OK. For example, if you thought that YoBit was a serious ongoing scam, the promotion of which was extremely problematic, then it'd be a sane use of the system to immediately leave negative trust for everyone wearing a YoBit signature. (I don't necessarily endorse this viewpoint or this action: various parts of the issue are highly subjective. But while I wouldn't blame people for excluding someone who did this, I wouldn't call it an abuse of the system.)
 - Exercise a lot of forgiveness. People shouldn't be "permanently branded" as a result of small mistakes from which we've all moved past. Oftentimes, people get a rating due to unknowingly acting a bit outside of the community's consensus on appropriate behavior, and such ratings may indeed be appropriate. But if they correct the problem and don't seem likely to do it again, remove the rating or replace it with a neutral. Even if someone refuses to agree with the community consensus (ie. they refuse to back down philosophically), if they're willing to refrain from the behavior, their philosophical difference should not be used to justify a rating. For example, in the YoBit mass-ratings example above, ratings should be immediately removed after the person removes the signature, even if they maintain and continue to argue that they didn't do anything wrong. If someone agrees to "follow 'the law' without agreeing to it", that should be enough.
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copper member
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I don't really see the point of creating a thread to repeat what has already been said... Just in case I'll copy-quote my reply over there:


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I have to say I'm with you on this one, Ivan.

For starters, giving a negative in September for something that happened in May... it's a bit off from my personal point of view.

To continue, the thread the comment was made into was a Review thread. Reviews can be both good and bad, and since no review was actually made in the end, the whole information from the tag is off. A little bit above Ivans' post, we can also see examplens making this exact point:

I RECOMMEND NOBODY TO JOIN HERE
PEOPLE WHO WANT TO JOIN THE CAMPAIGN WILL BE NEGATIVE TAGGED BY DT MEMBERS PROBABLY
STAY WAY FROM THIS SCAM ORGANISATION


I don't think so. He wants to pay for a review here on the Bitcointalk forum, why not? If someone makes an honest negative review, you think he should be negative trust punished by DT members?
He said honest review, not shill. I guess they will pay for this job, even if the review does not present them with a positive feeling.

As a side note, I don't think this is a right use of the trust system. I see a distrust on your personal trust list more fitting for this situation, but that may just be my own personal observation.

TLDR; there was no review (negative or positive) so this is just a wild goose chase


hero member
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To be honest, no one deserves a red tag for a personal review, promoters and people giving out personal reviews are two different things. If I play on the site and am able to withdraw, I can boldly come out and give my honest opinion without minding the scam accusations against them, but does that mean I should be red tagged for telling my experience on the site? No, I don't believe so.

If you prefer to tag people for offering honest ratings, you may start here. These users were also paid for their honest reviews, so why is iv4n claiming sole responsibility?
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legendary
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Noone pays attention to those reviews, least I wouldn't think so.
I don't know about that, I really don't.  I'm pretty sure a thread like the one OP linked to wouldn't show up on any Google result (at least not in the first few pages), there is a non-negligible chance that someone could find it and base their decision to visit 1xbit and deposit money there on it. 

I also think a negative trust is a bit harsh.  I have mixed feelings about tagging 1xbit campaign participants and won't do it personally, much less tagging someone voicing his opinion on that casino in a thread that asks for opinions.  That's being overzealous IMO....but JollyGood, I'll tell you: I won't complain for a minute if you keep the tag in place, because his idiotic opinion and that begging for bitcoin deem him a complete parasite in my eyes, and it'd be better if that negative trust inhibited him from joining sig campaigns/bounties in the future.

The trust system is yet again being used to control the shitposter/moron problem, just like it was prior to 2018.  I don't know if the merit system has lost effectiveness or what, but if it's not keeping the problem in check then I think we need a better solution than tagging members like this.  Anyway, I'm fine if you don't remove that feedback, JollyGood.
legendary
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he should have known better.

In your opinion should the negative tag remain or should I replace it with a neutral?
Iv4n just messaged me and what I bolded here is exactly what I told him. Even though he should have known better, I think it's a bit harsh for a neg tag. Give everyone in that review thread a neutral IMO as all that really happened was those that were paid hurt the scam sites pocket. Noone pays attention to those reviews, least I wouldn't think so.

It's your decision but I personally think a neutral is fine.
legendary
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I see there is a small commotion taking place in a very serious thread which has been created to kindly ask all forum members promoting the 1xbit scammers to refrain from doing so because the list of victims or alleged victims continues to grow. That thread was created to kindly ask promoters of the 1xbit scammers to kindly stop promoting a known scam: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/request-for-attention-of-all-1xbit-signature-campaign-participants-5347222

Unfortunately the essence of that very serious and important thread has been diverted by some forum members posting their views about the tag related to iv4n therefore I have created this thread to allow anybody wishing to have their say to have it here and leave that thread for the purpose it was created for - to persuade promoters of the 1xbit scammers to kindly stop.

If memory servers correct, so far I have gone through the first 2 pages of that thread (there are 12 pages in total for their so-called Honest Review thread) and tagged the accounts that I thought deserved it based on what they wrote. When I have time I will go through the other 10 pages and tag if necessary. If there were really honest reviews they would most probably be spotted and those that had a specific agenda of trying to get up to $30 for the so-called honest review by being biased with their review, well they would be spotted too and then appropriately tagged.

I was fairly busy tagging away the past couple of days (1xbit related and others) and received some PMs from members asking to have their tags removed and iv4n has been asking to have his tag removed too. After reviewing the original post a few minutes (https://archive.is/Ii3g6) I am on the verge of changing the tag to neutral but asking members for feedback.

Here is the post in question:

Interesting site 1xbit! I never played there, and I am not sure should I start now... Too many unsolved accusations on your account, of course!

But I like easy registration, and I like the list of the coins you accept! Amazing! Also, the list of available games is awesome, I am looking around the site and to be honest I like what I see! I am tempted to deposit some amount and test you... but maybe I will get $30 for this "the-first-look-review"?!

Here is my 1xbit deposit address: bc1qxepaj5xp7klsv797ndgm2xgs98er9ydj0rt625

If I get the coins I will play and I will be able to say something more about 1xbit casino! Cheers!
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Granted I do not know iv4n and I have not interacted with him so cannot understand how he might express himself but to me parts of that post show a degree of desperation to get his $30, whereas he should have known better.

In your opinion should the negative tag remain or should I replace it with a neutral?
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