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legendary
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Yeah that's how the trust system work. Remember JollyGood had given feedbacks on all the accounts which participated in the 1xbit signature campaign and all those scammers would be waiting for this to happen.
That's why one bad feedback usually doesn't make others exclude a user, but it will happen if it gets out of hand. And that's why it's especially important to leave accurate feedback.
hero member
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If enough users disagree with your feedback, you'll drop out of DefaultTrust eventually, but at least you leave the feedback you believe is deserved. There will never be 100% community consensus on Bitcointalk.


Yeah that's how the trust system work. Remember JollyGood had given feedbacks on all the accounts which participated in the 1xbit signature campaign and all those scammers would be waiting for this to happen.

Although i haven't changed my stance, but I think JollyGood should show a big heart here and make this neutral.
legendary
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This has become much more than what it actually is
Hence my quote: "does this make the forum a better place?". It's not as if iv4n is chilling the scammer's signature, all he did was make a post in a topic where's it's pretty obvious already the site is a scam. So I don't see any damage done to the forum, while tagging iv4n causes real reputation damage.

But as much as I wouldn't do it myself, we can't have a decentralized Trust system without disagreeing to some tags. "We" can only make suggestions.
copper member
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This has actually drifted into a drama shitthread when the situation is rather simple...

Anyone that knows Ivan knows that what has happened here is not a shill attempt; but judging a situation from a distance without knowing the person and all the facts is always easier. I believe this is something we've all done at some point; it's easier to go against a nickname than a real person.

I'd also like to make a reminder that this is an international forum, where people from all over the globe come post and talk about crypto in general, and bitcoin in a more specific way. Not everyone is proficency in English here, it may not be their mother tongue, they may have only learnt it at school, etc. What may seem like an ambiguous wording of something may just be a rough translation of another, more strong language for the user. I'm no English professor to make judgments on the English level of each forum user, but when taking a decition like this one, where there seems to be a shill attempt, I'd take that into consideration too.

This has become much more than what it actually is, and I'd ask all of you to take a step back and take a deep breath; because nothing is solved when people are feeling personally attacked.

And as a matter of fact, yes, I am vocal whenever I find a situation (or the situation finds me) in which I believe the trust system is being incorrectly used. We are sometimes too trigger friendly when it comes to certain topics, and that's why some more thought should sometimes be put into them.
legendary
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I am not in any doubt. I think iv4n deserves a red tag and it should stay
In that case: there's your answer! Let the DT1-voting take care of it:

That part you quoted goes like this:

I am not in any doubt. I think iv4n deserves a red tag and it should stay but just for the sake of not having my thread about asking 1xbit promoters to refrain being flooded with pro-iv4n posts I created this and am willing to change the tag to neutral if the consensus shows it would be more conducive.

Again "pro-iv4n posts"... why posts? There was only one post... and that post is questionable:

I am also interested in what is the reason for applying the tag to this user, because the link attached to the tag does not contain any archives but leads to this thread. Not that it bothered me, but from time to time I see this guy's [iv4n] messages in the various sections of the message and I do not remember that he would have carried the 1xbit signature, (although I do not exclude that I could overlook something)Wink



I found a mention ... As it turned out, the tag is related to the review, but I think the tag is a bit biased, at least I see that you did not red tag other users participating in that discussion. In addition, iv4n did not say anything that significantly differs from the words of other users, he did not say "I recommend" but at the same time publicly expressed concerns and clarified that (I highlighted some thoughts in red).

Interesting site 1xbit! I never played there, and I am not sure should I start now... Too many unsolved accusations on your account, of course!

But I like easy registration, and I like the list of the coins you accept! Amazing! Also, the list of available games is awesome, I am looking around the site and to be honest I like what I see! I am tempted to deposit some amount and test you... but maybe I will get $30 for this "the-first-look-review"?!

Here is my 1xbit deposit address: bc1qxepaj5xp7klsv797ndgm2xgs98er9ydj0rt625

If I get the coins I will play and I will be able to say something more about 1xbit casino! Cheers!

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I would like people to be objective, that's all... and give their honest opinion about this case! I think Jolly and some of his friends made some serious accusations without any logical arguments, all they have is "ONE POST" that can be interpreted in different ways, but is it really "Writing highly dubious and selective reviews for getting paid by scammers is unacceptable conduct: https://archive.is/Ii3g6"?! Does it sound like I am begging for that money, that I am a parasite?


I went through the first 2 or 3 pages of that reviews thread and tagged the accounts I thought warranted it. When I have time I will go through all the pages and tag all those accounts that I feel warrant it.

Kind Regards


Feelings... Smiley
legendary
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I am not in any doubt. I think iv4n deserves a red tag and it should stay
In that case: there's your answer! Let the DT1-voting take care of it:
With great power comes great responsibility (source unknown). Especially when you're on DefaultTrust (or if you want to be on DefaultTrust in the future), you shouldn't (ab)use that power by leaving (negative) feedback when someone does something you don't like. Your Sent feedback is what others use to judge your judgement.
If someone on the internet is mean to you: boo fucking hoo! Use the Ignore button, and forget about them.
If enough users disagree with your feedback, you'll drop out of DefaultTrust eventually, but at least you leave the feedback you believe is deserved. There will never be 100% community consensus on Bitcointalk.

I even think JG should be red tagged by all the DT's here because of misleading them into false state of affairs. I have seen many innocent people pop up being a victim of his trust abuse from years.
If you believe someone abused the Trust system, you're no better if you do the same. I'd use a Trust exclusion and Neutral feedback for Trust abuse.
I keep quoting myself:
Neutral (shown as =1)
  • Use Neutral feedback for anything that doesn't mean someone can or can't be trusted. This can be good feedback, for instance when someone helped you out.
  • I think Neutral Feedback is currently undervalued on Bitcointalk. It's a great tool to de-escalate without drastic consequences. Please use it when appropriate.
legendary
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Edit: I still have not got on to pages 3-10 of that so-called 1xbit scammers Honest Review thread but will do so as soon as I can and as mentioned in the OP tag any account that warrants it.

You didn't finish the first page and first posts... you just crossed me, but you keep your friends safe! Smiley

I went through the first 2 or 3 pages of that reviews thread and tagged the accounts I thought warranted it. When I have time I will go through all the pages and tag all those accounts that I feel warrant it.

You are not fair! And I am sure you know it... I guess karma will hit you back if it didn't already, that could be an explanation why are you doing this! Smiley
sr. member
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Quoting myself :

JollyGood Is, Was and Will be a piece of shit.

Best advice : ~JollyGood


I even think JG should be red tagged by all the DT's here because of misleading them into false state of affairs. I have seen many innocent people pop up being a victim of his trust abuse from years.

Anyone with a couple of brain cells should easily see his red tag as being unworthy and him not being worthy of DT at all. Low life as said earlier.
legendary
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With this I am making full stop here, and I will not reply to anyone from this topic anymore, so don't mention me again.

Thank you wasting my precious weekend time  Tongue

I will deal with you later, I just saw that Jolly made a nice long post! Smiley You are next, don't worry about that!

Really? You will deal with him later and deal with me first?  Grin




Seriously you are getting more and more preposterous as the seconds tick by. I will take a break from this thread too....

Low life! Smiley It's what I heard about you from a few sources...

And yes I will deal with Notblox1 later because he is your minion, throwing accusations around.... but at the same time protected from the punishment I had!



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Seriously you are getting more and more preposterous as the seconds tick by. I will take a break from this thread too....

C'mon now... make a decision by these comments?! I am waiting?

Edit:

I think that Jolly showed how biased he was when he made his decision about me! And he is taking hard to admit that he was wrong! Smiley Funny thing, now he will take a break from this... the topic he started!

Jolly you and your friends offended me with your writing! You are a zero person if you don't realize what you did... it's not about that fucking $30 anymore, it's about what you wrote about me, and what some other people wrote... you started this, and now I am "preposterous"...

Could I expect anything else than you to run away?! Once again you are a joke, and all this as well..

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legendary
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With this I am making full stop here, and I will not reply to anyone from this topic anymore, so don't mention me again.

Thank you wasting my precious weekend time  Tongue

I will deal with you later, I just saw that Jolly made a nice long post! Smiley You are next, don't worry about that!

Really? You will deal with him later and deal with me first?  Grin




Seriously you are getting more and more preposterous as the seconds tick by. I will take a break from this thread too....

Edit: I still have not got on to pages 3-10 of that so-called 1xbit scammers Honest Review thread but will do so as soon as I can and as mentioned in the OP tag any account that warrants it.
legendary
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With this I am making full stop here, and I will not reply to anyone from this topic anymore, so don't mention me again.

Thank you wasting my precious weekend time  Tongue

I will deal with you later, I just saw that Jolly made a nice long post! Smiley You are next, don't worry about that!



I assure you I am not crazy, literally or otherwise - why would you say that about me?

Which people are you referring to when you say you cannot believe what we are writing?


Still, not an answer to my questions... Your tag is false, I am not doing what you wrote! In any way, you can see it!

iv4n is behaving in an unacceptable manner throwing a tantrum because he and his supporters have not yet been able to achieve their goal of applying pressure on me to change the tag to neutral (but I am still open to consensus as mentioned in the OP). He has fallen to low levels of personal insults because he cannot engage in conversation or debate.

He should have owned up to the fact he tried his best to promote the 1xbit scammers without giving too much credit to them in the hope something such as this thread would not occur.

Instead of just holding up his hand to admit he was naive at the very least for selling out his reputation at the chance of getting just $30 from a known and widely accepted scam-outfit and then saying he regretted doing it - on the contrary he sees nothing wrong with the absolute nonsense of a so-called honest review he posted for which he received $30.

I am throwing a tantrum??? Are you serious? And why did you tag me and not Notblox1 for the same thing?! Tantrums are from your side, as you wrote me in PM:
Who exactly are you referring to as minions? Can you name names because I would like to read their posts in an attempt to discover why you would conclude they did not deserve merits.

We see your minions, you share merits with them! Do you think we are blind? Smiley



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legendary
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are you really ready to go that far to protect your own ass? Smiley what a joke you are, now we all see!
Thank you sir for calling me a joke... very kind of you, I am doing my best to impress.
All day I was in fear, shaking and crying so much that I had to send private messages to everyone I know in forum to defend me from unknown enemy Cry

And you make an accusation that borovichok is my alt account
I also said that he is your friend and your lawyer, but he can also work for 1xbit or in circus.

This is what I said:
But, I would never give anyone negative feedback for something like this.

With this I am making full stop here, and I will not reply to anyone from this topic anymore, so don't mention me again.

Thank you wasting my precious weekend time  Tongue



legendary
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At least borovichok and iv4n have the same opinions when it comes to saying good things about the 1xbit scammers  Roll Eyes

You are crazy, you are literally crazy.... and if someone is honest and objective will see that in your words...

You made drama out of nothing... But you have faithful supporters as I see, they don't even read the problem they just support you.

Please be a grown up, look me in the eyes and answer my questions... don't hide like a pussy.  I really can't believe what are you writing... And some of your people.
I assure you I am not crazy, literally or otherwise - why would you say that about me?

Which people are you referring to when you say you cannot believe what we are writing?


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At least borovichok and iv4n have the same opinions when it comes to saying good things about the 1xbit scammers  Roll Eyes

You are crazy, you are literally crazy.... and if someone is honest and objective will see that in your words...

You made drama out of nothing... But you have faithful supporters as I see, they don't even read the problem they just support you.

Please be a grown up, look me in the eyes and answer my questions... don't hide like a pussy.  I really can't believe what are you writing... And some of your people.

Don't you think that by using this harsh language against him will make your chance of being neutral more less ?
His intention was to change to neutral initially when he started the thread
After reviewing the original post a few minutes (https://archive.is/Ii3g6) I am on the verge of changing the tag to neutral but asking members for feedback.
but now you are taking it too far too personal that he won't change his decision.  
iv4n is behaving in an unacceptable manner throwing a tantrum because he and his supporters have not yet been able to achieve their goal of applying pressure on me to change the tag to neutral (but I am still open to consensus as mentioned in the OP). He has fallen to low levels of personal insults because he cannot engage in conversation or debate.

He should have owned up to the fact he tried his best to promote the 1xbit scammers without giving too much credit to them in the hope something such as this thread would not occur.

Instead of just holding up his hand to admit he was naive at the very least for selling out his reputation at the chance of getting just $30 from a known and widely accepted scam-outfit and then saying he regretted doing it - on the contrary he sees nothing wrong with the absolute nonsense of a so-called honest review he posted for which he received $30.


Change to neutral tag immediately. I insist .
The trust on your iplnightrider account shows you just woke up after a long period of inactivity. It was registered in 2016 and you made 1 post in 2016. After that you decided to use this sock-puppet account to make 1 more post and you make it here defending somebody such as iv4n and you are expected to be taken seriously?

After an absence lasting over 5 years your first and only post was made today and you insist another member modify a tag?

Congratulations you have the grand total of 2 posts in over 5 years since the account was registered but your plan to use it as a sleeper/farmed account has backfired.

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but now you are taking it too far too personal that he won't change his decision.  

I said the same a few posts above.. He is taking this too far... And his minions that are getting merits for their posts...

Am I really the crazy one here? I am asking for objective opinion after reading all the posts in this and previous topic... If I really am I will accept my negative without any complaints.. But am I really or Jolly is just biased for some reason?
Who exactly are you referring to as minions? Can you name names because I would like to read their posts in an attempt to discover why you would conclude they did not deserve merits.
legendary
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but now you are taking it too far too personal that he won't change his decision. 

I said the same a few posts above.. He is taking this too far... And his minions that are getting merits for their posts...

Am I really the crazy one here? I am asking for objective opinion after reading all the posts in this and previous topic... If I really am I will accept my negative without any complaints.. But am I really or Jolly is just biased for some reason?



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borovichok friend feedback:
Interesting site 1xbit! I never played there, and I am not sure should I start now... Too many unsolved accusations on your account, of course!

But I like easy registration, and I like the list of the coins you accept! Amazing! Also, the list of available games is awesome, I am looking around the site and to be honest I like what I see! I am tempted to deposit some amount and test you... but maybe I will get $30 for this "the-first-look-review"?!

Here is my 1xbit deposit address:

If I get the coins I will play and I will be able to say something more about 1xbit casino! Cheers! Smiley

my feedback:
I can post honest feedback and review for 1xbit website, but you can't stop people to write something negative about your website with some monetary incentive, and creating self-moderated topic will not help you either.

What I saw after registration to 1xbit website is very slow speed for opening and loading some pages like Sports and others.
Menu in top right side can be confusing, and I think that you have to very high minimum amount for Bitcoin that I can withdraw from my account, that is 5 mBTC or 190 USD!!
Other betting websites have lower limits and some have free withdrawals, and 1xbit is most high as you can see here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/table-withdrawal-fees-and-withdrawal-amounts-on-crypto-casinos-5333602
There are a lot of payment options and betting markets, but what worries me is that I don't see you have any betting license for operating you service, maybe it's hidden somewhere.

What do you think is more honest from this two feedback?  Cheesy


Am I dishonest here? Why do you defending yourself like this man? Trying to compete with me in honesty? And where did you get that info that I am his friend? Too much false info on this topic... so false that is offensive!

"but maybe I will get $30 for this "the-first-look-review"... what wrong did I say for people to think that I am dishonest, or that I am begging for money... or in the worst case that I am shilling for 1xbit?!

But this poster got merit from Jolly:

Just check the highlighted words in the above post. Too many sentences written in the favor of the site. A neutral person who see this post and did not have any prior knowledge of 1xbit will think that it is a good legit site.

I think to be fair with everyone, ask him to return the 30$ which he received for this review to you or anyone agreed and that amount should be sent to any donations. And also he should remove this post and the the tag will be removed.

So this post deserves merit?! Really?!

If I get too many "yes" answers I will delete myself from this forum! Smiley

Edit: Sorry, most of the free time I have is in the evening... so I had time to check some comments:

Please stop mentioning my username here, I was not kissing anyone ass when I wrote feedback about 1xbit, and I don't need permission from anyone to do that.
I don't really give a damn what any of you are going to do with tags, but with all the the passion borovichok is repeatedly using to defend iv4n, I have to wonder if he is his alt account activated only in special occasions like this to defend him.

borovichok friend feedback:
Interesting site 1xbit! I never played there, and I am not sure should I start now... Too many unsolved accusations on your account, of course!

But I like easy registration, and I like the list of the coins you accept! Amazing! Also, the list of available games is awesome, I am looking around the site and to be honest I like what I see! I am tempted to deposit some amount and test you... but maybe I will get $30 for this "the-first-look-review"?!

Here is my 1xbit deposit address:

If I get the coins I will play and I will be able to say something more about 1xbit casino! Cheers! Smiley

my feedback:
I can post honest feedback and review for 1xbit website, but you can't stop people to write something negative about your website with some monetary incentive, and creating self-moderated topic will not help you either.

What I saw after registration to 1xbit website is very slow speed for opening and loading some pages like Sports and others.
Menu in top right side can be confusing, and I think that you have to very high minimum amount for Bitcoin that I can withdraw from my account, that is 5 mBTC or 190 USD!!
Other betting websites have lower limits and some have free withdrawals, and 1xbit is most high as you can see here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/table-withdrawal-fees-and-withdrawal-amounts-on-crypto-casinos-5333602
There are a lot of payment options and betting markets, but what worries me is that I don't see you have any betting license for operating you service, maybe it's hidden somewhere.

What do you think is more honest from this two feedback?  Cheesy

Iv4n just messaged me and what I bolded here is exactly what I told him.
He obviously activated an army to defend him.


It's Friday you all, don't you have anything better to do?
Sadly your name has been dragged in to this but instead of reading what I wrote the OP about the reason to tag or not to tag members in that thread, they quoted you and others when it was not necessary.

I am also somewhat surprised at the army you mentioned, it is one thing to post to try to defend someone and another thing to act as a mouthpiece or advocate.

So I was kissing someone's ass with my post notblox1? And I activated my army? I sent messages to people who knows me from here to give their objective opinion... it's what I asked them, some of them know me and know what I am doing...
And you make an accusation that borovichok is my alt account... are you really ready to go that far to protect your own ass? Smiley what a joke you are, now we all see!

This only shows how Jolly was biased when making a WRONG decision about me... thanks to both for confirming this with your nice talk and merit sharing! Smiley we all see what you are doing Cheesy this is a joke

Edit no. 2:

JollyGood Is, Was and Will be a piece of shit.

AFAIK, iv4n is an hardcore gambler and plays on most of the online casino website's he comes across.

You thinking about him as someone who came there to earn 30$ show's how unreasonable and low life you are.


I sent some messages to people who know me, and they can share the PM's I sent,  I don't hide anything... I asked all of them to take a look and be objective! Some of them know me good, we had some time spent together for something...

But I didn't send messages to some people who made great posts for me.... they did it because they know me! Thanks for the support guys!

Once again I am asking you Jolly why are you doing this? Do you really think it's fair?

By the way, Jolly didn't answer my questions directly even once! Smiley

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newbie
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I am not in any doubt. I think iv4n deserves a red tag and it should stay but just for the sake of not my thread about asking 1xbit promoters being flooded with pro-iv4n posts I created this and am willing to change the tag to neutral if the consensus shows it would be more conducive.



Change to neutral tag immediately. I insist .
hero member
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At least borovichok and iv4n have the same opinions when it comes to saying good things about the 1xbit scammers  Roll Eyes



You are crazy, you are literally crazy.... and if someone is honest and objective will see that in your words...

You made drama out of nothing... But you have faithful supporters as I see, they don't even read the problem they just support you.

Please be a grown up, look me in the eyes and answer my questions... don't hide like a pussy.  I really can't believe what are you writing... And some of your people.

Don't you think that by using this harsh language against him will make your chance of being neutral more less ?
His intention was to change to neutral initially when he started the thread
After reviewing the original post a few minutes (https://archive.is/Ii3g6) I am on the verge of changing the tag to neutral but asking members for feedback.
but now you are taking it too far too personal that he won't change his decision.  


sr. member
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JollyGood Is, Was and Will be a piece of shit.

AFAIK, iv4n is an hardcore gambler and plays on most of the online casino website's he comes across.

You thinking about him as someone who came there to earn 30$ show's how unreasonable and low life you are.

Best advice : ~JollyGood
legendary
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At least borovichok and iv4n have the same opinions when it comes to saying good things about the 1xbit scammers  Roll Eyes




You are crazy, you are literally crazy.... and if someone is honest and objective will see that in your words...

You made drama out of nothing... But you have faithful supporters as I see, they don't even read the problem they just support you.

Please be a grown up, look me in the eyes and answer my questions... don't hide like a pussy.  I really can't believe what are you writing... And some of your people.
hero member
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I hate humans.
Amazing.
Someone woke up after years of sleeping and than straight to defend unknown gambler in Reputation, oh how noble for someone who hates humans so much.
That was probably my 20+ posts this month Smiley yet humans think I woke up today to share my opinion on a case that started a few weeks ago but I only saw it now because of this thread. How noble of you, my human friend.

Tbh. the 1xbit site is beautiful than anyone I've seen on the forum
Bullshit!
It's one of the worst looking and worst working betting website I ever used in my life.
Lol, that's your opinion but to me I see a beautiful site worth nominating for the most beautiful gambling site of the year, I don't care about their reputations there on earth. Maybe I should ask you out on a date  Grin


I am not in any doubt. I think iv4n deserves a red tag and it should stay but just for the sake of not my thread
You think Grin if you are comfortable with the tag lock the thread and move on my beautiful friend

Quote from: JollyGood
Well, the borovichok account woke up 3 weeks ago after having over 3 years of inactivity. Between April 2018 and September 2021 the account inactive and then goes over the top while defending a member that has obviously made a dubious post for the sake of just $30. I suppose can be seen as somewhat suspicious.
Lol sleeping beauty deserves a tag for defending someone who got $30 ( dude return the $30 before you got crucified)for writing honest reviews. Haha I careless about humans. It's Friday I'm watching how Tokyo and Nairobi was killed ( crying)
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For example, why user @dypper hasn't been negatively tagged because of his review?
He posted a Bitcoin address for payment of promised $30.



Why it is so hard to understand that giving true review and getting payment is not a issue. The user @dypper told his story how the site scammed him and told people to avoid the site. I don't know if 1xbit paid them for this review. I wished they paid him.

This is entirely different from a sugar-coated review from @ivan for the sake of money.
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