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In this case (iv4n), JollyGood is unsure of what to do, which is why he started the topic to get opinions. Now that he has them, the majority is suggesting change to Neutral, so what's the point of starting a question thread if their opinions aren't going to matter?

Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house
I am not in any doubt. I think iv4n deserves a red tag and it should stay but just for the sake of not having my thread about asking 1xbit promoters to refrain being flooded with pro-iv4n posts I created this and am willing to change the tag to neutral if the consensus shows it would be more conducive.

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I hate humans.
Someone woke up after years of sleeping and than straight to defend unknown gambler in Reputation, oh how noble for someone who hates humans so much.
Well, the borovichok account woke up 3 weeks ago after having over 3 years of inactivity. Between April 2018 and September 2021 the account was inactive and then goes over the top while defending a member that has obviously made a dubious post for the sake of just $30. I suppose can be seen as somewhat suspicious.

Tbh. the 1xbit site is beautiful than anyone I've seen on the forum
Bullshit!
It's one of the worst looking and worst working betting website I ever used in my life.
At least borovichok and iv4n have the same opinions when it comes to saying good things about the 1xbit scammers  Roll Eyes


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JollyGood, I must agree with LoyceV here. If you are not sure, then neutral is okay.
You opened this thread to hear community opinion, that’s a sufficient sign that you’re not sure in this case.
I saw on the Iv4n feedback's page some neutral tags for participating in similar promotions of suspicious services. He probably should think about that.

Csmiami quote my post about this campaign I will say it again. whether all reviews from this campaign are watched negatively or just those who write nice things about this casino?
shall we really measure how many sentences in favour is here, and whether there are more of them than against? and how we will determine this precisely?

For example, why user @dypper hasn't been negatively tagged because of his review?
He posted a Bitcoin address for payment of promised $30.

I honestly do not recommend 1xbit.com. My account had a balance of over 190 mBTC (or 0.190 BTC) when I noticed it went to zero. I contacted support via chat and they told me not to worry that they were facing technical issues and they would fix the issues in my account right after that:
https://imgur.com/Fp2iGQy

After that I requested my account to be blocked until my funds be restored. I only got a message from Security department stating this:

"We want to inform you, that our company decided to stop any collaboration with you (closing your account). The decision was made after a careful investigation of the situation by our security service. The decision is based on a violation of the Terms and Conditions."

Amount Scammed:
Over 0.19 BTC

Payment Method:
Bitcoin

PM/Chat logs:
https://imgur.com/Ur6skGZ
https://imgur.com/adGmItS

I tried to contact support via live chat and e-mail numerous times, but they simply refuse to solve this issue. Also, I contacted the 1xbit_official account, in of one their recent topics they claimed that they would resolve any issues, but he is avoiding to answer what happened to my account and why didn't I got my deposits returned.
Security department refuses to answer me at all. I'm trying since june with no answers so far.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55888202
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56041634

So far as I have seen, all users that gets their accounts closed by Security, gets their deposit sum refunded. I got nothing so far.

BTC Wallet: 3DYsx6cHSc8moaKNv1DuSnvRZjVADX5Nt3

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I hate humans.
Amazing.
Someone woke up after years of sleeping and than straight to defend unknown gambler in Reputation, oh how noble for someone who hates humans so much.

Tbh. the 1xbit site is beautiful than anyone I've seen on the forum
Bullshit!
It's one of the worst looking and worst working betting website I ever used in my life.

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When in doubt: use Neutral.

I agree with this.

In your opinion should the negative tag remain or should I replace it with a neutral?
If you have to ask, I assume you're not absolutely sure, so it shouln't be negative.

It's also wise to ask yourself before leaving feedback: "Does my feedback make Bitcointalk a better place? And if it's negative: is it worth destroying someone's account and reputation over this?". Consider using Neutral feedback if neither Positive nor Negative is justified.

I seem to recall a discussion about this very topic when Yobit came back from their ban and hired a bunch of spammers to advertise their 10x promotion scam.  If I recall correctly the general consensus was that it was uncool to red-tag participants in the signature campaign.  I don't know what changed, 1xbit is no more or less a scam than Yobit.  Neither outfit has been able to attract quality participants, only sleepy alts and shitposters have applied.  The managers of the campaigns don't seem to care if their signature is worn by red-tagged accounts, so there're no repercussions for the participants other than the tag itself, and most probably don't care since their using nearly worthless accounts that wouldn't qualify for any other signature campaigns anyway.

All this business of tagging participant of the 1xbit campaign seems like a grasp at straws to me.  I get it, I'm tired of all the scams here also and if the forum refuses to ban scammers or their advertising campaigns, this seems like the only recourse we have.

But is it affective, or only leading to more drama?  Maybe someone can enlighten me?
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Please stop mentioning my username here, I was not kissing anyone ass when I wrote feedback about 1xbit, and I don't need permission from anyone to do that.
I don't really give a damn what any of you are going to do with tags, but with all the the passion borovichok is repeatedly using to defend iv4n, I have to wonder if he is his alt account activated only in special occasions like this to defend him.

borovichok friend feedback:
Interesting site 1xbit! I never played there, and I am not sure should I start now... Too many unsolved accusations on your account, of course!

But I like easy registration, and I like the list of the coins you accept! Amazing! Also, the list of available games is awesome, I am looking around the site and to be honest I like what I see! I am tempted to deposit some amount and test you... but maybe I will get $30 for this "the-first-look-review"?!

Here is my 1xbit deposit address:

If I get the coins I will play and I will be able to say something more about 1xbit casino! Cheers! Smiley

my feedback:
I can post honest feedback and review for 1xbit website, but you can't stop people to write something negative about your website with some monetary incentive, and creating self-moderated topic will not help you either.

What I saw after registration to 1xbit website is very slow speed for opening and loading some pages like Sports and others.
Menu in top right side can be confusing, and I think that you have to very high minimum amount for Bitcoin that I can withdraw from my account, that is 5 mBTC or 190 USD!!
Other betting websites have lower limits and some have free withdrawals, and 1xbit is most high as you can see here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/table-withdrawal-fees-and-withdrawal-amounts-on-crypto-casinos-5333602
There are a lot of payment options and betting markets, but what worries me is that I don't see you have any betting license for operating you service, maybe it's hidden somewhere.

What do you think is more honest from this two feedback?  Cheesy

Iv4n just messaged me and what I bolded here is exactly what I told him.
He obviously activated an army to defend him.


It's Friday you all, don't you have anything better to do?
Sadly your name has been dragged in to this but instead of reading what I wrote the OP about the reason to tag or not to tag members in that thread, they quoted you and others when it was not necessary.

I am also somewhat surprised at the army you mentioned, it is one thing to post to try to defend someone and another thing to act as a mouthpiece or advocate.


When in doubt: use Neutral.

In your opinion should the negative tag remain or should I replace it with a neutral?
If you have to ask, I assume you're not absolutely sure, so it shouln't be negative.

It's also wise to ask yourself before leaving feedback: "Does my feedback make Bitcointalk a better place? And if it's negative: is it worth destroying someone's account and reputation over this?". Consider using Neutral feedback if neither Positive nor Negative is justified.
Loyce, good to hear from you   Grin

Actually the reason for asking opinions of the wider community was because the thread I created to request 1xbit promoters to kindly refrain from doing so, was being flooded with pro-iv4n messages and I wanted to keep that thread free from either spam or flooding: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/request-for-attention-of-all-1xbit-signature-campaign-participants-5347222

I am not in doubt, for me the tag should remain but I was on the verge of changing it to neutral if the wider community thought it was warranted over the red by taking the conversation out of that thread and in to a dedicated one.


When in doubt: use Neutral.

In your opinion should the negative tag remain or should I replace it with a neutral?
If you have to ask, I assume you're not absolutely sure, so it shouln't be negative.

It's also wise to ask yourself before leaving feedback: "Does my feedback make Bitcointalk a better place? And if it's negative: is it worth destroying someone's account and reputation over this?". Consider using Neutral feedback if neither Positive nor Negative is justified.

The problem here is that it is not a one to one case. If it was that, i would have also suggested for a Neutral. The issue here is that if you give him Neutral for his semi-favorable wording for the scam site, the others might also jump in and demand for the same treatment.
You have a valid point. What becomes more problematic here is if other posts from forum members in pages 3-10 of that thread are even more favourable towards the 1xbit scammers but demand a particular action (removal or reduction) in relation to any tag... having said that it should not detract from a separate debate about what is being said about the trust system being appropriately in the wider sense across the forum.

I am not surprised that several members in this thread have concluded iv4n was dishonest in his review which was akin to promoting a known scam and he did it with a care for any potential victims that could be affected after reading fake reviews and he did it all for the sake of a $30 payment.
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When in doubt: use Neutral.

In your opinion should the negative tag remain or should I replace it with a neutral?
If you have to ask, I assume you're not absolutely sure, so it shouln't be negative.

It's also wise to ask yourself before leaving feedback: "Does my feedback make Bitcointalk a better place? And if it's negative: is it worth destroying someone's account and reputation over this?". Consider using Neutral feedback if neither Positive nor Negative is justified.

The problem here is that it is not a one to one case. If it was that, i would have also suggested for a Neutral. The probelm here is that if you give him Neutral for his semi-favorable wording for the scam site, the others might also jump in and demand for the same treatment.
In this case (iv4n), JollyGood is unsure of what to do, which is why he started the topic to get opinions. Now that he has them, the majority is suggesting change to Neutral, so what's the point of starting a question thread if their opinions aren't going to matter?

Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house
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When in doubt: use Neutral.

In your opinion should the negative tag remain or should I replace it with a neutral?
If you have to ask, I assume you're not absolutely sure, so it shouln't be negative.

It's also wise to ask yourself before leaving feedback: "Does my feedback make Bitcointalk a better place? And if it's negative: is it worth destroying someone's account and reputation over this?". Consider using Neutral feedback if neither Positive nor Negative is justified.

The problem here is that it is not a one to one case. If it was that, i would have also suggested for a Neutral. The issue here is that if you give him Neutral for his semi-favorable wording for the scam site, the others might also jump in and demand for the same treatment.
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When in doubt: use Neutral.

In your opinion should the negative tag remain or should I replace it with a neutral?
If you have to ask, I assume you're not absolutely sure, so it shouln't be negative.

It's also wise to ask yourself before leaving feedback: "Does my feedback make Bitcointalk a better place? And if it's negative: is it worth destroying someone's account and reputation over this?". Consider using Neutral feedback if neither Positive nor Negative is justified.
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borobichok's friend? Really Smiley
Asking for a few cent to test run is system before giving a full review sounds good to me
Are you his lawyer now?
Lol. I hate humans.

Lol. Two users looking for some cents using different methods  Smiley
Yes two different methods, because I registered on website send my coins, tried website and wrote honest feedback.
He did registered on the site too according to his words and gave his review based on the registration aspects though.

his review is neutral
Neutral feedback is not when you say words like Amazing, Awesome and I like what I see.

But, I would never give anyone negative feedback for something like this.
Tbh. the 1xbit site is beautiful than anyone I've seen on the forum maybe soortsbet.io comes 2nd, I won't blaming anyone talking good about the structure of the site.

Neg or Pos I don't care about what humans does. JollyGood it's Friday go have some fun
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Yes it clear iv4n knew exactly what he was doing with that so-called honest review.

Getting $30 bucks for:
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but maybe I will get $30 for this "the-first-look-review"?!
And putting all in on red?!

Yes, I don't even try to run from that...  but calling me like that in the negative trust you gave me, using some names to describe me... you take it too far! It's not even about those $30 bucks...

Looks like you can't admit that you are wrong here!
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borobichok's friend? Really Smiley
Asking for a few cent to test run is system before giving a full review sounds good to me
Are you his lawyer now?

Lol. Two users looking for some cents using different methods  Smiley
Yes two different methods, because I registered on website send my coins, tried website and wrote honest feedback.

his review is neutral
Neutral feedback is not when you say words like Amazing, Awesome and I like what I see.

But, I would never give anyone negative feedback for something like this.
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The point of creating this thread was to avoid the other thread being overrun with comments about whether a tag was deemed valid or not. It was mentioned in the firsts two paragraphs of the first post in this thread.

I do know how to read but I still fail to make sense out of it.
Ok

You are basically doing an incorrect use of the trust system based on how you perceive things, not on hard evidence and make your own interpretation of the facts.
If you think an incorrect use of the trust system has been applied am I the only forum member you noticed using it? The action you took in this particular case was to post in this thread and state your opposition but have you applied the same vigilance to other forum members you deem to be using the trust system incorrectly or is this only case where you have been vocal?

There is a fine line between hard facts and interpretations of facts, how one sees them is debatable and we all have a right to our opinions.

Asking a casino you don't trust to give some funds so that you can try it on their own review campaign is, from my point of view, not wrong. The casino did later on provide said funds, no review was ever left. There is literally no harm nor ill intention on that.
It is your opinion and you are entitled to it but here are some of us that disagree with that view.

In my opinion (and other members in this thread) the manner in which iv4n used highly selective text in order to please the 1xbit scammers in the belief it would ensure a $30 payment was not appropriate because it was viewed less as an honest review and more of a semi-promotion akin to a shill and he put himself in that position where his integrity and credibility is now being questioned.


Quote from: JollyGood
Some of those members you listed have already been tagged by me and are on my ignore list so if I decided to skip past them knowing I have already tagged them - I do not think that is a pressing matter. Having said that if you can provide me a link to show where other members have posted a tag worthy promotion or semi-promotion of the 1xbit scammers in the first 2 pages of that thread
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All these users (not yet tagged)posted on the 1-2 pages of the thread how can you say you didn't see it? You merited the reputable members and red tag the less privileged for committing the same crime( according to your words) I see they are all DT members and they will retaliate if you do. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/1xbitcom-honest-review-campaign-open-5339885
As mentioned to you earlier in this thread:

"if you can provide me a link to show where other members have posted a tag worthy promotion or semi-promotion of the 1xbit scammers in the first 2 pages of that thread (because that is how far I have made it so far), I will tag them. Kindly allow me some time to go through the remaining 10 or so pages, I will look forward to reading your views in this thread after."


Interesting site 1xbit! I never played there, and I am not sure should I start now... Too many unsolved accusations on your account, of course!

But I like easy registration, and I like the list of the coins you accept! Amazing! Also, the list of available games is awesome, I am looking around the site and to be honest I like what I see! I am tempted to deposit some amount and test you... but maybe I will get $30 for this "the-first-look-review"?!

Here is my 1xbit deposit address: bc1qxepaj5xp7klsv797ndgm2xgs98er9ydj0rt625

If I get the coins I will play and I will be able to say something more about 1xbit casino! Cheers! Smiley

Just check the highlighted words in the above post. Too many sentences written in the favor of the site. A neutral person who see this post and did not have any prior knowledge of 1xbit will think that it is a good legit site.

I think to be fair with everyone, ask him to return the 30$ which he received for this review to you or anyone agreed and that amount should be sent to any donations. And also he should remove this post and the the tag will be removed.
Yes it clear iv4n knew exactly what he was doing with that so-called honest review.
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Granted I do not know iv4n and I have not interacted with him so cannot understand how he might express himself but to me parts of that post show a degree of desperation to get his $30, whereas he should have known better.

Do you really think that my post sounds desperate?! And I asked you a few times, but still without an answer, is it fair to say that I am "Writing highly dubious and selective reviews for getting paid by scammers is unacceptable conduct" judging by this one comment?!
 
" because his idiotic opinion and that begging for bitcoin deem him a complete parasite in my eyes, "

Man... really?! For $30... why the need for such words?! You don't even know me... Do you really think I am what you said after reading my comments? Can you read that post once again, I just wrote what I saw for the first time, idiotic is an offensive word, I wrote what I saw so it's my opinion in that moment... and check the next page to see my next post, don't be lazy... if you plan to judge people around!

In the end, I didn't even know I was paid for that... I just checked that address, $30 bucks still sit there! Smiley

This is a clear mistake... I definitely don't "Write highly dubious and selective reviews for getting paid", and this post is not even close to that! I opened 1xbit for the first time, and it was just simple and easy registration, without mail and anything and I decided to give it a try and write my opinion, without any other intentions as Jolly believes I have!

Calling me different names for silly $30 is funny... I had donations in this forum, rains in so many places... at least people I gamble around knows that, people from poker we played on this forum...

Edit:

he's somewhat begging to get money from 1xbit.

Really? Begging? Smiley This is becoming hilarious...

Maybe it's really me... maybe I really sound like that, but I am not aware?! Smiley

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borobichok's friend? Really Smiley
Asking for a few cent to test run is system before giving a full review sounds good to me

What do you think is more honest from this two feedback?  Cheesy
Lol. Two users looking for some cents using different methods  Smiley
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Read their reviews first before made a conclusion! You know vouching, neutral, and disapprove review right? I will classified those user based on their review.

Vouching: yayayo

Neutral: notblox1, woodie, stadus, Text, Slow death

Disapprove: DireWolfM14, robelneo, worldofcoins, bitbollo

Question : why neutral and dissaprove opinion should be tagged? only yayayo deserved to get tagged with that's review.

For @iv4n his review is neutral, but what I don't like he's somewhat begging to get money from 1xbit. 1xbit is selective scammer, he wouldn't scam the reviewer. So @iv4n deserve a neutral tag IMO.
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Please stop mentioning my username here, I was not kissing anyone ass when I wrote feedback about 1xbit, and I don't need permission from anyone to do that.
I don't really give a damn what any of you are going to do with tags, but with all the the passion borovichok is repeatedly using to defend iv4n, I have to wonder if he is his alt account activated only in special occasions like this to defend him.

borovichok friend feedback:
Interesting site 1xbit! I never played there, and I am not sure should I start now... Too many unsolved accusations on your account, of course!

But I like easy registration, and I like the list of the coins you accept! Amazing! Also, the list of available games is awesome, I am looking around the site and to be honest I like what I see! I am tempted to deposit some amount and test you... but maybe I will get $30 for this "the-first-look-review"?!

Here is my 1xbit deposit address:

If I get the coins I will play and I will be able to say something more about 1xbit casino! Cheers! Smiley

my feedback:
I can post honest feedback and review for 1xbit website, but you can't stop people to write something negative about your website with some monetary incentive, and creating self-moderated topic will not help you either.

What I saw after registration to 1xbit website is very slow speed for opening and loading some pages like Sports and others.
Menu in top right side can be confusing, and I think that you have to very high minimum amount for Bitcoin that I can withdraw from my account, that is 5 mBTC or 190 USD!!
Other betting websites have lower limits and some have free withdrawals, and 1xbit is most high as you can see here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/table-withdrawal-fees-and-withdrawal-amounts-on-crypto-casinos-5333602
There are a lot of payment options and betting markets, but what worries me is that I don't see you have any betting license for operating you service, maybe it's hidden somewhere.

What do you think is more honest from this two feedback?  Cheesy

Iv4n just messaged me and what I bolded here is exactly what I told him.
He obviously activated an army to defend him.


It's Friday you all, don't you have anything better to do?
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Interesting site 1xbit! I never played there, and I am not sure should I start now... Too many unsolved accusations on your account, of course!

But I like easy registration, and I like the list of the coins you accept! Amazing! Also, the list of available games is awesome, I am looking around the site and to be honest I like what I see! I am tempted to deposit some amount and test you... but maybe I will get $30 for this "the-first-look-review"?!

Here is my 1xbit deposit address: bc1qxepaj5xp7klsv797ndgm2xgs98er9ydj0rt625

If I get the coins I will play and I will be able to say something more about 1xbit casino! Cheers! Smiley

Just check the highlighted words in the above post. Too many sentences written in the favor of the site. A neutral person who see this post and did not have any prior knowledge of 1xbit will think that it is a good legit site.

I think to be fair with everyone, ask him to return the 30$ which he received for this review to you or anyone agreed and that amount should be sent to any donations. And also he should remove this post and the the tag will be removed.

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Quote from: JollyGood
Some of those members you listed have already been tagged by me and are on my ignore list so if I decided to skip past them knowing I have already tagged them - I do not think that is a pressing matter. Having said that if you can provide me a link to show where other members have posted a tag worthy promotion or semi-promotion of the 1xbit scammers in the first 2 pages of that thread
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worldofcoins
bitbollo

All these users (not yet tagged)posted on the 1-2 pages of the thread how can you say you didn't see it? You merited the reputable members and red tag the less privileged for committing the same crime( according to your words) I see they are all DT members and they will retaliate if you do. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/1xbitcom-honest-review-campaign-open-5339885
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The point of creating this thread was to avoid the other thread being overrun with comments about whether a tag was deemed valid or not. It was mentioned in the firsts two paragraphs of the first post in this thread.

I do know how to read but I still fail to make sense out of it. You are basically doing an incorrect use of the trust system based on how you perceive things, not on hard evidence and make your own interpretation of the facts.

Asking a casino you don't trust to give some funds so that you can try it on their own review campaign is, from my point of view, not wrong. The casino did later on provide said funds, no review was ever left. There is literally no harm nor ill intention on that.
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he should have known better.

In your opinion should the negative tag remain or should I replace it with a neutral?
Iv4n just messaged me and what I bolded here is exactly what I told him. Even though he should have known better, I think it's a bit harsh for a neg tag. Give everyone in that review thread a neutral IMO as all that really happened was those that were paid hurt the scam sites pocket. Noone pays attention to those reviews, least I wouldn't think so.

It's your decision but I personally think a neutral is fine.
I appreciate the views, thank you.

Yes iv4n should have known better but the fact he continues to play ignorant and does not own up to what his real intention was when choosing those words in the so-called Honest review thread also does not help the situation. It was him that put himself in a position where his integrity could be doubted - just for the sake of a one-off $30 payment from a scam website that has too many allegations against it in this very forum.

What he failed to grasp was, at that stage all those that posted were paid so for him to stoop to a low level of ambiguity (hoping it would ensure he got paid) was a tactic that was simply not necessary. He really should have posted an honest review rather than the semi-promotion of a scam website.


Noone pays attention to those reviews, least I wouldn't think so.
I don't know about that, I really don't.  I'm pretty sure a thread like the one OP linked to wouldn't show up on any Google result (at least not in the first few pages), there is a non-negligible chance that someone could find it and base their decision to visit 1xbit and deposit money there on it.  

I also think a negative trust is a bit harsh.  I have mixed feelings about tagging 1xbit campaign participants and won't do it personally, much less tagging someone voicing his opinion on that casino in a thread that asks for opinions.  That's being overzealous IMO....but JollyGood, I'll tell you: I won't complain for a minute if you keep the tag in place, because his idiotic opinion and that begging for bitcoin deem him a complete parasite in my eyes, and it'd be better if that negative trust inhibited him from joining sig campaigns/bounties in the future.

The trust system is yet again being used to control the shitposter/moron problem, just like it was prior to 2018.  I don't know if the merit system has lost effectiveness or what, but if it's not keeping the problem in check then I think we need a better solution than tagging members like this.  Anyway, I'm fine if you don't remove that feedback, JollyGood.
Thank you for your feedback. As you pointed out the manner in which he virtually begged for the money along with the words used in the post, it was clear to see what his intention was.

Sadly I find myself in that situation again where the line between an out-and-out promotion of a scam vs somewhat ambiguous promotion - are not that blurred and applying a tag can be deemed harsh in some quarters. As you said, if the problem is not being kept in check and there is no other alternative then another solution is needed.


To be honest, no one deserves a red tag for a personal review, promoters and people giving out personal reviews are two different things. If I play on the site and am able to withdraw, I can boldly come out and give my honest opinion without minding the scam accusations against them, but does that mean I should be red tagged for telling my experience on the site? No, I don't believe so.

If you prefer to tag people for offering honest ratings, you may start here. These users were also paid for their honest reviews, so why is iv4n claiming sole responsibility?
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theymos needs to explain why DT was implemented it's becoming a weapon tbh.
I agree with your view entirely about people should not be tagged for giving honest opinions therefore I think you are somewhat misguided because in the OP I stated I went through just the first 2 pages of that thread and there are another 10 or so pages remaining and I stated all those that deserve a tag (not giving honest reviews) will be tagged.

Some of those members you listed have already been tagged by me and are on my ignore list so if I decided to skip past them knowing I have already tagged them - I do not think that is a pressing matter. Having said that if you can provide me a link to show where other members have posted a tag worthy promotion or semi-promotion of the 1xbit scammers in the first 2 pages of that thread (because that is how far I have made it so far), I will tag them. Kindly allow me some time to go through the remaining 10 or so pages, I will look forward to reading your views in this thread after.

Is DT really becoming a weapon? In my opinion DT members have a responsibility to ensure they do their utmost to protect the wider members of this community and I cannot apologise for try to contribute a little amount of my time trying to lessen the number of new victims.


I don't really see the point of creating a thread to repeat what has already been said... Just in case I'll copy-quote my reply over there:
The point of creating this thread was to avoid the other thread being overrun with comments about whether a tag was deemed valid or not. It was mentioned in the firsts two paragraphs of the first post in this thread.
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