I've still got 80 sMerit to give away. - page 7.

athanz88

sr. member

Activity: 476

Merit: 359

Quote from: Wheelige on January 31, 2018, 07:32:46 PM

While I agree with the merit system and praise the admin/s for their decision to help prevent the stream of low quality posts on the system, it could be seen as a flaw with the activity system. Im not sure if the post/time requirements Ive read before are in place (as in you can only get x amount of activity a week and you need to post x amount of times). Ive seen people ranking up pretty quickly, you can especially see this in ICO organisers accounts who post regularly on their threads. If a person actively participates in the forum for a long period of time then do they not deserve to rank up? If people are only giving out merit for 'outstanding' posts instead of 'beneficial' posts then some people may miss out entirely. There is a lot of politics that enter the frey with a merit system and I hope that the admin/s keep an eye on how it progressing to ensure it is working as they hoped it would.

Okay, first of all, we are facing merit system now, so it cant be applied to the people who get the rank before the system applied. They got that because they are in this forum for long and play by the rules back then and they got the ranks. Maybe they are not a good quality poster, but nothing can be done right now.

Secondly, lets think about this merit points as a score for you when you are in a college or work.

Quote from: college

When you re at the college, you can be at the college for a long time, but do you deserve to graduate (rank up to real life worker person) when you don't pass the exams? Do you deserve to graduate just because you are already long enough studying on the college? nope I guess, you need to pass the exam with the minimal score to graduate (rank up) and the score for this forum is this merit points.

Quote from: work

When you re at the work, you can be working for a company for a long time, but do you deserve to get the promotion to upper position when you don't have something to offer? Do you deserve to get the promotion just because you do the usual work (your usual work is beneficial for the company tho) long enough? nope I guess, if its to be applied then all workers will be at top level position then, you need something to get the promotion like extra work, great work, etc, not just the usual work. In fact, there are many people that is younger and has not working for a long time who got the promotion to upper position. And the extra work here is stated by merit points in this forum.

I am not going to discuss about politics, but it is just a real life law that is applied to this forum, and people thinks that they are free from the real world when they are on the internet.

Carisba

member

Activity: 154

Merit: 10

The idea itself is good, too many fake accounts just to make money in the bounty or just for the purpose of selling them. But at the same time, ti must be revised because, being limited, someone started to profit by selling the merits . Probably I think there should be some kind of moderation to check that really the merits have been given to really constructive posts.

Jet Cash

legendary

Activity: 2814

Merit: 2472

https://JetCash.com

I'm not a faucet, I have to earn my sMerit. I don't want the responsibility of being a faucet either, as I don't want to become an alt moderator, and that what the faucets should be. I just award sMerit to post that conform to my own subjective ideas. We really need other members to award points to good posters with different opinions and skills.

OriginTrain

full member

Activity: 406

Merit: 174

Quote from: Jet Cash on February 01, 2018, 07:02:31 AM

Quote from: OriginTrain on February 01, 2018, 06:43:54 AM

Already we can see a lot of members with the required activity but not enough merit - and some of them are good posters.

That isn't a fault of the merit system, but the fault of members who don't want to act and help to rebuild the forum into a worthwhile asset for Bitcoin and the Bitcoin community.

As I have posted elsewhere, merit isn't a requirement for rank upgrade, but it is a filtering system to ensure that activity is not abused. Activity is the toll road through the community that leads to the next platform. Merits are the tokens you receive on the way through the community, and are used to pay the gatekeeper when he opens the gates for activity evaluation. If you don't have enough to pay the gatekeeper, then you have to go back to the community to earn some more tokens. Well it isn't really a payment, as you get to keep the merits, but it is a badge of worth that is awarded by the community. Because it should be a community award, and not a system of bribery, I think there should be a fairly low cap on individual awards.

Wherever the fault may lie, it's still non Hero/Legendary members that foot the burden. And ironically it's only Hero/Legendary members that have the faucet to distribute merit down the chain, and a lot of us see most of this just being awarded to other faucets in a circle. It is great though that you're contributing 80 merit to posters here, but how many others are doing that? I'm not critiquing the merit system though, I like it and agree with it, but the activity requirements just feels out of sync with it - it means on average for every activity you gain, you should be gaining one merit, and it's nearly impossible to acquire merit at that rate. It just feels out of sync.

scorpionso

newbie

Activity: 89

Merit: 0

Quote from: Alluro on January 31, 2018, 06:59:36 AM

Quote from: pablito1989 on January 31, 2018, 06:25:58 AM

Just go everywhere and give them to Newbies/Jr.Members that deserve them.
It's pretty hard to rank up now for them.

I think most Newbies and Jr. Members are bounty hunters. They are only want to rank up for signature bounties then hard to choose correct one to give merit. They have to make good posts for earn merit. I think bitcointalk rank up rules will be change more than in future.

your words are valid for most of people in this forum. because everyone needs money

even so I also support merit system to protect this forum from junk posts.

Jet Cash

legendary

Activity: 2814

Merit: 2472

https://JetCash.com

Quote from: OriginTrain on February 01, 2018, 06:43:54 AM

Already we can see a lot of members with the required activity but not enough merit - and some of them are good posters.

That isn't a fault of the merit system, but the fault of members who don't want to act and help to rebuild the forum into a worthwhile asset for Bitcoin and the Bitcoin community.

As I have posted elsewhere, merit isn't a requirement for rank upgrade, but it is a filtering system to ensure that activity is not abused. Activity is the toll road through the community that leads to the next platform. Merits are the tokens you receive on the way through the community, and are used to pay the gatekeeper when he opens the gates for activity evaluation. If you don't have enough to pay the gatekeeper, then you have to go back to the community to earn some more tokens. Well it isn't really a payment, as you get to keep the merits, but it is a badge of worth that is awarded by the community. Because it should be a community award, and not a system of bribery, I think there should be a fairly low cap on individual awards.

OriginTrain

full member

Activity: 406

Merit: 174

Quote from: Wheelige on January 31, 2018, 07:32:46 PM

Quote from: athanz88 on January 31, 2018, 04:12:23 PM

Quote from: Jet Cash on January 31, 2018, 03:50:36 PM

Quote from: Emilyearl on January 31, 2018, 03:41:53 PM

It's not about what your thoughts are it's what's at play right this moment. Merits are determinants of ranks now. To achieve a new rank, your merit point has to be same with the rank post count requirements.

Merit doesn't determine rank, activity does that. Merit just blocks promotion for spammers who gained activity by abusing the forum.

If I may help you to clear the point and say it out loud to other person who read this thread.
I believe that ;

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Activity is a tool to determine your level of account's rank

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Merit is a tool to determine your level of quality as a person related to forum work and cryptocurrency

So, you can be a higher rank member but as a person you re still a low class rank member, or you can be a lower rank member but you re a high quality person for this forum (in short, you re worthy).
Activity needs merit to fight the spammer, abuser, and account farmer. Merit needs activity to make sure people rank up in a proper time so there is no account which suddenly get into higher rank members just because that account got so many merit in a day.

While I agree with the merit system and praise the admin/s for their decision to help prevent the stream of low quality posts on the system, it could be seen as a flaw with the activity system. Im not sure if the post/time requirements Ive read before are in place (as in you can only get x amount of activity a week and you need to post x amount of times). Ive seen people ranking up pretty quickly, you can especially see this in ICO organisers accounts who post regularly on their threads. If a person actively participates in the forum for a long period of time then do they not deserve to rank up? If people are only giving out merit for 'outstanding' posts instead of 'beneficial' posts then some people may miss out entirely. There is a lot of politics that enter the frey with a merit system and I hope that the admin/s keep an eye on how it progressing to ensure it is working as they hoped it would.

Absolutely this. The merit system is welcomed and necessary, however as it currently stands with so many established members here saying it's good to only hand out 1 merit at a time for good quality posts - it makes the activity system obsolete since now ranking up will take months if not years per rank. If this is the new goal, then activity requirements should also be made more difficult, perhaps 3x as high as they are currently to reflect the difficulty in acquiring merit. Already we can see a lot of members with the required activity but not enough merit - and some of them are good posters.

Jet Cash

legendary

Activity: 2814

Merit: 2472

https://JetCash.com

My sMerit seem to be breeding, I've given out quite a few, but I seem to be back up to 80 again. Giving them out seems to be getting close to having a job here.

Posts don't have to be outstanding for me to award sMerit, but they do have to be up to my own ideas of quality/usefulness. I'm sorry that it has to be personal, but that is really the only way that I can handle it. Unfortunately, this means that some outstanding technical posts don't get an award from me - this is because my level of knowledge is not up to understanding the post.

I don't have time to read all the threads here, so I only get to see a small proportion of the posts, but hopefull other members with sMerit can fill in the gaps. This is the advantage of a system that provides for peer approval of members posting.

Wheelige

member

Activity: 238

Merit: 68

Do good things

Quote from: athanz88 on January 31, 2018, 04:12:23 PM

Quote from: Jet Cash on January 31, 2018, 03:50:36 PM

Quote from: Emilyearl on January 31, 2018, 03:41:53 PM

It's not about what your thoughts are it's what's at play right this moment. Merits are determinants of ranks now. To achieve a new rank, your merit point has to be same with the rank post count requirements.

Merit doesn't determine rank, activity does that. Merit just blocks promotion for spammers who gained activity by abusing the forum.

If I may help you to clear the point and say it out loud to other person who read this thread.
I believe that ;

Quote

Activity is a tool to determine your level of account's rank

Quote

Merit is a tool to determine your level of quality as a person related to forum work and cryptocurrency

So, you can be a higher rank member but as a person you re still a low class rank member, or you can be a lower rank member but you re a high quality person for this forum (in short, you re worthy).
Activity needs merit to fight the spammer, abuser, and account farmer. Merit needs activity to make sure people rank up in a proper time so there is no account which suddenly get into higher rank members just because that account got so many merit in a day.

While I agree with the merit system and praise the admin/s for their decision to help prevent the stream of low quality posts on the system, it could be seen as a flaw with the activity system. Im not sure if the post/time requirements Ive read before are in place (as in you can only get x amount of activity a week and you need to post x amount of times). Ive seen people ranking up pretty quickly, you can especially see this in ICO organisers accounts who post regularly on their threads. If a person actively participates in the forum for a long period of time then do they not deserve to rank up? If people are only giving out merit for 'outstanding' posts instead of 'beneficial' posts then some people may miss out entirely. There is a lot of politics that enter the frey with a merit system and I hope that the admin/s keep an eye on how it progressing to ensure it is working as they hoped it would.

Cryptoshops

member

Activity: 271

Merit: 10

Merits will cause nothing but problems for forum users and admins. We have allready seen members being accused of selling merits to other members. When I used to run forums (not crypto forums) I tried the merit sytem out and the emails from users claiming that this person or that person sold merits got so bad I disabled it in the end.
A forum of this size will never stop spammy posts unless there is heavy moderation with admins reviewing every post before it goes live.

athanz88

sr. member

Activity: 476

Merit: 359

Quote from: Jet Cash on January 31, 2018, 03:50:36 PM

Quote from: Emilyearl on January 31, 2018, 03:41:53 PM

It's not about what your thoughts are it's what's at play right this moment. Merits are determinants of ranks now. To achieve a new rank, your merit point has to be same with the rank post count requirements.

Merit doesn't determine rank, activity does that. Merit just blocks promotion for spammers who gained activity by abusing the forum.

If I may help you to clear the point and say it out loud to other person who read this thread.
I believe that ;

Quote

Activity is a tool to determine your level of account's rank

Quote

Merit is a tool to determine your level of quality as a person related to forum work and cryptocurrency

So, you can be a higher rank member but as a person you re still a low class rank member, or you can be a lower rank member but you re a high quality person for this forum (in short, you re worthy).
Activity needs merit to fight the spammer, abuser, and account farmer. Merit needs activity to make sure people rank up in a proper time so there is no account which suddenly get into higher rank members just because that account got so many merit in a day.

Jet Cash

legendary

Activity: 2814

Merit: 2472

https://JetCash.com

Quote from: Emilyearl on January 31, 2018, 03:41:53 PM

It's not about what your thoughts are it's what's at play right this moment. Merits are determinants of ranks now. To achieve a new rank, your merit point has to be same with the rank post count requirements.

Merit doesn't determine rank, activity does that. Merit just blocks promotion for spammers who gained activity by abusing the forum.

Emilyearl

full member

Activity: 700

Merit: 105

APESWAP

Quote from: Jet Cash on January 31, 2018, 09:21:15 AM

I don't think merit is intended to be a ranking tool. I believe it is a tool to improve the quality of the forum. It is really up to the members to use it to help direct the flow of posts. So far it seems to be used to "reward" ghosts of the past, and to help members of sig campaigns to "rank up" to increase the size of their banners. Because of this abuse, I think that merit points should only be awarded singly, that woud reduce the abuses slightly.

It's not about what your thoughts are it's what's at play right this moment. Merits are determinants of ranks now. To achieve a new rank, your merit point has to be same with the rank post count requirements.

TheBeardedBaby

legendary

Activity: 2240

Merit: 3150

₿uy / $ell ..oeleo ;(

Quote from: Jet Cash on January 31, 2018, 01:29:43 PM

I don't think rank should have anything to do with awarding merit points. The award should be based solely on the post quality and relevance. In fact newbies posting the results of a Google search, without understanding the problem, can clog up a decent thread.

Yeah you're right nothing to do with ranking but still I have 1 point to give, its not easy to decide to whom I shall give it, I prefer to give it to someone to whom it will be valuable, like for a newbie, putting effort to learn or trying to help, like this one for example : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/coding-tutorials-ai-tutorials-bitcoin-development-tutorials-free-2819905
And not discourage them by calling all of them shitposters.
I hope you get my point. Being a newbie doesn't mean being a 100% spammer, I know that the account farming is a big disease here but between all those fake accounts there are real people joining with interest not only to benefit from the bounty campaigns but to learn and be part of the community and contribute with what they can. Keep in mind that people change by the time and even some shitposters are improving not only because of the merit system but because they gain experience and change their point of view.
I apologize for not being word-perfect in English.

Genemind

sr. member

Activity: 1596

Merit: 335

It's good to know that some people are willing to give away sMerit. I really think that some people doesn't even care about giving away their sMerit. They might have a reason or not. This beats the new system, because if some people will not just give away merits, some posts that are educating and sensible will just be left out ignored.

Praesidium

full member

Activity: 409

Merit: 103

Quote from: Jet Cash on January 31, 2018, 09:21:15 AM

I don't think merit is intended to be a ranking tool. I believe it is a tool to improve the quality of the forum.

This is the main point of the merit system, this merit system encouraged us to improve our post quality and become more constructive. Also theymos added this to be requirement of ranking system to burden those who are bounty farmers which they only join bounty yet they only do a one liner post with this they will be forced to improve their post if they want their rank to be promoted or they can choose to leave either.

Quote from: Jet Cash on January 31, 2018, 01:29:43 PM

I don't think rank should have anything to do with awarding merit points. The award should be based solely on the post quality and relevance. In fact newbies posting the results of a Google search, without understanding the problem, can clog up a decent thread.

Well this quite true, not only low rank members should be awarded by merit, we also needed it, however the higher rank members like Hero - Legend helps the newly ones to earn merit so that they will improve their post at the same time they can join any bounties out there.

Jet Cash

legendary

Activity: 2814

Merit: 2472

https://JetCash.com

I don't think rank should have anything to do with awarding merit points. The award should be based solely on the post quality and relevance. In fact newbies posting the results of a Google search, without understanding the problem, can clog up a decent thread.

TheBeardedBaby

legendary

Activity: 2240

Merit: 3150

₿uy / $ell ..oeleo ;(

Quote from: pablito1989 on January 31, 2018, 06:25:58 AM

Just go everywhere and give them to Newbies/Jr.Members that deserve them.
It's pretty hard to rank up now for them.

Yes, I'm doing the same. All the points I receive I'm giving to the newbies in the Beginners and Help section. Well, you have to read a lot but from time to time you find a good one which deserve a reward for the effort. So basically just browse the Altcoin/bitcoin discussion and help section and you will find something for sure. And don't forget reporting spam in the meantime

Gotumoot

sr. member

Activity: 1372

Merit: 261

Jet Cash

legendary

Activity: 2814

Merit: 2472

https://JetCash.com

Quote from: cmmhbct on January 31, 2018, 09:33:34 AM

Would you mind explaining more about those words "~ merit points should only be awarded singly ~", please.

As the name of the topic shown, Merit and new rank requirements, for sure the system was created as a ranking tool, stricter than the older ranking system.

Let me take the second point first. The merit system is not a means for ranking members directly. It is more likely to have been created as a barrier to prevent spammers and low value posters gaining rank to pollute the boards with promotional spam.

Now the first point. Awarding 50 points for an indifferent post is not productive for the board, and it centralises control into the hands of the points faucets. This can create conflicts of interest. If it is only possible for a member to award one merit point to a post, then the recognition of good posts is distributed amongst all of the members, and I think that this will reduce the load on the moderators, as posters will try to comply with community values.

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