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Quote from: uneng on March 06, 2022, 06:03:59 PM

To incentivize russian citizens to go against the government can bring much better results than boycotting.

But, it is precisely the boycott of Russian activity in sport, business and culture that aims to make the citizens force the government to stop the war. When Russian citizens feel that Russia as a country is not accepted in the world, they will pressure the government to stop military activities. Protests in Russia are very quickly suppressed and people arrested. It is the whole society that must put pressure on the government, and it is boycotts and international sanctions that are supposed to do that.

It's a possibility russian citizens will pressure the government once they see they are being put aside by the world, but there is also the possibility the local government turns the citizens' minds against the world for the economical and social difficulties they are facing. So they unite themselves as nation, by the hate, frustration and resentment they feel regards countries which imposed sanctions on them.

Certainly, Russian television, press and all media will claim that the country bad situation is the result of sanctions made by Western countries. Without explaining where they really came from. My guess is that in Russia agitation is at an extremely high level, so it will definitely take some time for ordinary citizens to realize what the truth is. Unfortunately, it seems to be the only way to put pressure on Putin without using the military option.

A common russian businessman can simply conclude even though he doesn't support the government or the invasion, he is still being prejudiced by boycotts, so why should he be sympathetic to the end of the conflict since nobody has empathy for his own daily life and survival?

It is obvious that nobody who lives in Russia will like it, but that is the goal not to like it and to want to change it.

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Quote from: uneng on March 06, 2022, 06:03:59 PM

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on March 06, 2022, 02:32:47 PM

To incentivize russian citizens to go against the government can bring much better results than boycotting.

But, it is precisely the boycott of Russian activity in sport, business and culture that aims to make the citizens force the government to stop the war. When Russian citizens feel that Russia as a country is not accepted in the world, they will pressure the government to stop military activities. Protests in Russia are very quickly suppressed and people arrested. It is the whole society that must put pressure on the government, and it is boycotts and international sanctions that are supposed to do that.

It's a possibility russian citizens will pressure the government once they see they are being put aside by the world, but there is also the possibility the local government turns the citizens' minds against the world for the economical and social difficulties they are facing. So they unite themselves as nation, by the hate, frustration and resentment they feel regards countries which imposed sanctions on them.

A common russian businessman can simply conclude even though he doesn't support the government or the invasion, he is still being prejudiced by boycotts, so why should he be sympathetic to the end of the conflict since nobody has empathy for his own daily life and survival?

At the end of the day, they are worried about their survival. I am certain, a lot of these Russian business will declare bankruptcy owed to this war. But if you are a regular gambler, it depends on what's your take about the situation. Like for example, if you are a patron of one of these casinos even before this war happens, do you think you will change your mind because of the situation, even if they are not doing anything to you? So for me, weigh your options and be fair as much as possible. Most of these Russians don't want to be in this hot seat right now. They are also humans like us, they need to survive.

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Quote from: robelneo on March 06, 2022, 04:46:59 PM

To incentivize russian citizens to go against the government can bring much better results than boycotting.

But, it is precisely the boycott of Russian activity in sport, business and culture that aims to make the citizens force the government to stop the war. When Russian citizens feel that Russia as a country is not accepted in the world, they will pressure the government to stop military activities. Protests in Russia are very quickly suppressed and people arrested. It is the whole society that must put pressure on the government, and it is boycotts and international sanctions that are supposed to do that.

It's a possibility russian citizens will pressure the government once they see they are being put aside by the world, but there is also the possibility the local government turns the citizens' minds against the world for the economical and social difficulties they are facing. So they unite themselves as nation, by the hate, frustration and resentment they feel regards countries which imposed sanctions on them.

A common russian businessman can simply conclude even though he doesn't support the government or the invasion, he is still being prejudiced by boycotts, so why should he be sympathetic to the end of the conflict since nobody has empathy for his own daily life and survival?

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Quote from: coolcoinz on March 06, 2022, 02:54:56 PM

Quote from: Maestro75 on March 06, 2022, 12:37:32 AM

This war is going to destroy Russia businesses. I know this suggested boycott is to force Putin's hand so he can make a turn but those who own the businesses will suffer more losses than Putin. I pity everyone who has businesses in Russia.

Like you have rightly said it that the sanctions are to stop Putin but Putin is the Russian president and he representing them. They can take to the streets to protest against the hardship the war is causing them, they can take protest to their government house and that can show they not supporting their government decision invasion. The situation now is getting hard for Russian citizens because of the sanctions but Putin continue attacking.

Because he's a nutjob and he doesn't care. Most Russians don't care either because they don't watch the news and don't use the Internet. They work all day in shitty jobs earning minimum wages of less than $200 a month. It's like a third world out there. People will feel sanctions but they will still blame the West, not Putin.
Businesses that feel pressure should move out of Russia and register somewhere else, but in the current situation many countries won't even allow them to do it.

They are at war why they will not watch the news it's common sense to check out what's happening around you if you are being deprived of something, we should not undermine the Russians they are not this powerful and their citizen resourceful if they are not aware of what's happening around them even a third world country is very active internet users, I'm sure they already know why they are sanctioned.

I am sure that many Russians are against this war, unfortunately they live in a totalitarian country. Economic sanctions will certainly have a very negative impact on the lives of Russian citizens. Certainly no one wants this conflict to escalate militarily, so in such a situation, it is sanctions and boycotts that are the most peaceful solution. So I totally support the boycott of Russian casinos.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on March 06, 2022, 02:54:56 PM

Quote from: Maestro75 on March 06, 2022, 12:37:32 AM

This war is going to destroy Russia businesses. I know this suggested boycott is to force Putin's hand so he can make a turn but those who own the businesses will suffer more losses than Putin. I pity everyone who has businesses in Russia.

Like you have rightly said it that the sanctions are to stop Putin but Putin is the Russian president and he representing them. They can take to the streets to protest against the hardship the war is causing them, they can take protest to their government house and that can show they not supporting their government decision invasion. The situation now is getting hard for Russian citizens because of the sanctions but Putin continue attacking.

Because he's a nutjob and he doesn't care. Most Russians don't care either because they don't watch the news and don't use the Internet. They work all day in shitty jobs earning minimum wages of less than $200 a month. It's like a third world out there. People will feel sanctions but they will still blame the West, not Putin.
Businesses that feel pressure should move out of Russia and register somewhere else, but in the current situation many countries won't even allow them to do it.

They are at war why they will not watch the news it's common sense to check out what's happening around you if you are being deprived of something, we should not undermine the Russians they are not this powerful and their citizen resourceful if they are not aware of what's happening around them even a third world country is very active internet users, I'm sure they already know why they are sanctioned.

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Quote from: mdzahed134 on March 06, 2022, 09:28:37 AM

Russian gambling site list is so long. Although i am not familiar with those of sites without 1xbet. I don’t know by boycotting these gambling sites, who will be benefited or the war will be end? Because if somehow stop those sites many users will be affected not only Russian users. And those sites are developed by some of peoples money not government (Putin) own money.

And it's not the end of Russian owned gambling sites. They have so many of them and boycotting them all won't stop them from functioning. It's just like a way of staying with the Ukrainian regarding the oppression that Putin have sent on their country. Not patronizing Russian businesses is like saying that the whole Russia is against Ukraine while they are many of them that don't support the action of their President. Like you said, It won't put an end to the war. And I have been saying time without number that the best thing to do to support Ukraine is putting an end to this war so that students, business owners, kids and adults can come back home and feel relaxed. It's just the beginning of a new year and people are running away from their country for safety. It's an ill treatment and they don't deserve it for anything. Whether for greed or politics the homeless citizens are suffering so much the restriction won't help them in any way.

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Quote from: bitbollo on March 06, 2022, 02:35:32 PM

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Private businesses still have to pay taxes to the government as well therefore I do think it's not really a small issue, it has to be considered as well.

This is an interesting point of view.
if you don't have a second option how you can stop your business?
Everyone is paying taxes to the government where they live, but if you want a legal job ... there is no other solution other this... common people have not any other solution...

I don't think the point is that the Russians are boycotting and not paying taxes. This is, in my opinion, unlikely, or even impossible. The idea is for people in other countries to boycott Russian products as in this case Russian casinos and thus not provide tax money for the Russian government.

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Quote from: Maestro75 on March 06, 2022, 12:37:32 AM

This war is going to destroy Russia businesses. I know this suggested boycott is to force Putin's hand so he can make a turn but those who own the businesses will suffer more losses than Putin. I pity everyone who has businesses in Russia.

Like you have rightly said it that the sanctions are to stop Putin but Putin is the Russian president and he representing them. They can take to the streets to protest against the hardship the war is causing them, they can take protest to their government house and that can show they not supporting their government decision invasion. The situation now is getting hard for Russian citizens because of the sanctions but Putin continue attacking.

Because he's a nutjob and he doesn't care. Most Russians don't care either because they don't watch the news and don't use the Internet. They work all day in shitty jobs earning minimum wages of less than $200 a month. It's like a third world out there. People will feel sanctions but they will still blame the West, not Putin.
Businesses that feel pressure should move out of Russia and register somewhere else, but in the current situation many countries won't even allow them to do it.

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Private businesses still have to pay taxes to the government as well therefore I do think it's not really a small issue, it has to be considered as well.

This is an interesting point of view.
if you don't have a second option how you can stop your business?
Everyone is paying taxes to the government where they live, but if you want a legal job ... there is no other solution other this... common people have not any other solution...

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To incentivize russian citizens to go against the government can bring much better results than boycotting.

But, it is precisely the boycott of Russian activity in sport, business and culture that aims to make the citizens force the government to stop the war. When Russian citizens feel that Russia as a country is not accepted in the world, they will pressure the government to stop military activities. Protests in Russia are very quickly suppressed and people arrested. It is the whole society that must put pressure on the government, and it is boycotts and international sanctions that are supposed to do that.

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People are already not using 1Xbit even despite everything the war and such they don't have a good reputation on the board and they are paying users for their campaigns despite them having unresolved issues and therefore I do think all the sites connected with 1xbit also does come in the same list as well.

I am from Ukraine as well, my whole life have been destroyed and at the same time there is nothing left to hold onto at the moment, but still I feel that these boycott is causing more harm to the common people of Russia than anything but then again it's essential to cut off all the taxes and funds passing into the government since at the end of the day they would use the fundings for the war and nothing else.

Private businesses still have to pay taxes to the government as well therefore I do think it's not really a small issue, it has to be considered as well.

That is why it's important russian citizens protest against their government, as many are already doing and being arrested right now. It's actually the most effective civilian action to be executed, because the country is composed by its people, and once the people show its dissatisfaction, the government starts having issues to manage the country internally, what considerably weaks its organization and military power on the war. To incentivize russian citizens to go against the government can bring much better results than boycotting.

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I am from Ukraine as well, my whole life have been destroyed and at the same time there is nothing left to hold onto at the moment, but still I feel that these boycott is causing more harm to the common people of Russia than anything but then again it's essential to cut off all the taxes and funds passing into the government since at the end of the day they would use the fundings for the war and nothing else.

Private businesses still have to pay taxes to the government as well therefore I do think it's not really a small issue, it has to be considered as well.

I feel very sorry for you and everyone in Ukraine.
The purpose of the boycott of Russian companies is precisely to cut off the financing of this war. It is possible that Putin is secured for weeks or even months, but any action that prevents him from continuing this war is good. It is not known what this mad man is capable to do more, so if even in a small point this boycott can make it difficult for him to continue that war, then we should do it.

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