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Quote from: tournamentdan on April 06, 2017, 06:19:42 PM

Quote from: kano on April 06, 2017, 06:16:07 PM

Quote from: tournamentdan on April 06, 2017, 06:14:19 PM

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Variance. Just like your total pool hash rate. The higher the hash rate, the less variance. Same with the s9v1. Had the majority of the S9v1 people not left. The less variance which means more blocks.

That's false.
Again learn about statistics.

And yet you claim a higher pool hash rate will lower the variance. So I guess you have been lying to everyone.

Logic fail.

A implies B
does not guarantee
B implies A

That car is green.
Everything green is a car ...............

Variance goes both ways: more and less. That's why it's called variance.

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Quote from: tournamentdan on April 06, 2017, 06:17:33 PM

Please. With the power of mathmatics. Compare your pool with antpool and bitfury. It will prove your bad luck S9v1 bullshit.

I don't have the statistics on any other pool.
I'd hazard a guess that no other pool that doesn't use CKDB has those statistics available and those that do use CKDB probably have no idea about how to analyse it (I know one specific case of that being a fact)

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Quote from: kano on April 06, 2017, 06:16:07 PM

Quote from: tournamentdan on April 06, 2017, 06:14:19 PM

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Variance. Just like your total pool hash rate. The higher the hash rate, the less variance. Same with the s9v1. Had the majority of the S9v1 people not left. The less variance which means more blocks.

That's false.
Again learn about statistics.

And yet you claim a higher pool hash rate will lower the variance. So I guess you have been lying to everyone.

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Please. With the power of mathmatics. Compare your pool with antpool and bitfury. It will prove your bad luck S9v1 bullshit.

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Quote from: tournamentdan on April 06, 2017, 06:14:19 PM

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Variance. Just like your total pool hash rate. The higher the hash rate, the less variance. Same with the s9v1. Had the majority of the S9v1 people not left. The less variance which means more blocks.

That's false.
Again learn about statistics.

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Quote from: kano on April 06, 2017, 06:05:46 PM

Quote from: tournamentdan on April 06, 2017, 06:02:09 PM

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Then never mention the so called bad luck of the s9v1again. Your NUMBERS wrong. All pools are performing the same. The determining factor is the bitfury pool. I seriously doubt a company that received 90 million from investors is using bitmain miners. Yet they perform the same as Antpool,btcpool, or Kano pool. They perform the same. Even though bitfury doesn't have any S9v1 holding them back.
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The S9v1 stats are exactly that - stats - facts.
They're not "right" or "wrong" - they're what they are. Stats.

If you can't understand that they are bad, go read about poisson distribution statistics.

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P.S. You have ignited the off topic with every comment on s9v1.

Really? Hmm sounds like an exaggeration to make your post sound better than it's complete lack of understanding of statistics.

Here's the fun bit - you said before that coz I reduced the number of S9v1 mining on the pool that somehow makes the stats invalid.
How is that so? Seriously - provide any information at all that would make that statement anything but wrong.
There are still S9v1 mining on the pool, so there is still more data coming in each time I run a report, so the data simply gets more accurate, not less accurate.

Variance. Just like your total pool hash rate. The higher the hash rate, the less variance. Same with the s9v1. Had the majority of the S9v1 people not left. The less variance which means more blocks.

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Quote from: tournamentdan on April 06, 2017, 06:02:09 PM

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Then never mention the so called bad luck of the s9v1again. Your NUMBERS wrong. All pools are performing the same. The determining factor is the bitfury pool. I seriously doubt a company that received 90 million from investors is using bitmain miners. Yet they perform the same as Antpool,btcpool, or Kano pool. They perform the same. Even though bitfury doesn't have any S9v1 holding them back.
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The S9v1 stats are exactly that - stats - facts.
They're not "right" or "wrong" - they're what they are. Stats.

If you can't understand that they are bad, go read about poisson distribution statistics.

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P.S. You have ignited the off topic with every comment on s9v1.

Really? Hmm sounds like an exaggeration to make your post sound better than it's complete lack of understanding of statistics.

Here's the fun bit - you said before that coz I reduced the number of S9v1 mining on the pool that somehow makes the stats invalid.
How is that so? Seriously - provide any information at all that would make that statement anything but wrong.
There are still S9v1 mining on the pool, so there is still more data coming in each time I run a report, so the data simply gets more accurate, not less accurate.

Edit: PS you've changed the topic of the discussion I've banned, in case you've not realised it Tongue

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Quote from: kano on April 06, 2017, 05:48:02 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: kano on April 06, 2017, 05:12:23 PM

No that wont work (looking at pool block finding numbers), if you increase the hash rate, you'll find more blocks ... standard bitcoin.
... and I really should just delete both posts since I've already said I would.
Edit: ok 3 posts - all deleted.

My 3 facts tell you how to find the blocks, if they exist.
Read the document that shows which block version number bit/bits they are rolling, then look for blocks with that block version number bit/bits set.
If the bit/bits matches some bitcoin voting then you'll have to sort that out.
End of story.

Bullshit. Your acting just like core. Censoring the truth out. Kano pool has performed just as well as any other pool over the last year. Even with your conspiracy theories.

I'm not censoring out the truth, I've stated the facts of how you can find the blocks if they exist.
I've no idea if they exist, I've never looked - I'm not even siding with anyone.
I'm simply reporting facts.

Meanwhile we have a few people posting random opinions and links about it and some even ideas that wont even work.
You've had 2 pages of this off topic posting and that's enough.
If you want to continue it, start a thread about it somewhere else.

Then never mention the so called bad luck of the s9v1again. Your NUMBERS wrong. All pools are performing the same. The determining factor is the bitfury pool. I seriously doubt a company that received 90 million from investors is using bitmain miners. Yet they perform the same as Antpool,btcpool, or Kano pool. They perform the same. Even though bitfury doesn't have any S9v1 holding them back.

P.S. You have ignited the off topic with every comment on s9v1.

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Quote from: kano on April 06, 2017, 05:12:23 PM

... blah ...

Bullshit. Your acting just like core. Censoring the truth out. Kano pool has performed just as well as any other pool over the last year. Even with your conspiracy theories.

I'm not censoring out the truth, I've stated the facts of how you can find the blocks if they exist.
I've no idea if they exist, I've never looked - I'm not even siding with anyone.
I'm simply reporting facts.

Meanwhile we have a few people posting random opinions and links about it and some even ideas that wont even work.
You've had 2 pages of this off topic posting and that's enough.
If you want to continue it, start a thread about it somewhere else.

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No that wont work (looking at pool block finding numbers), if you increase the hash rate, you'll find more blocks ... standard bitcoin.
... and I really should just delete both posts since I've already said I would.
Edit: ok 3 posts - all deleted.

My 3 facts tell you how to find the blocks, if they exist.
Read the document that shows which block version number bit/bits they are rolling, then look for blocks with that block version number bit/bits set.
If the bit/bits matches some bitcoin voting then you'll have to sort that out.
End of story.

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OK enough about asic-boost.
Any more posts about it and I'll delete them.

3 facts:
That document about 'asic-boost' I posted was from bitmain (though they didn't want it posted)
The original bmminer before public release modified stratum to enable 'asic-boost', in a manner that failed to connect to ckpool, and they then modified their 'asic-boost' stratum changes to work with ckpool after that.
It modifies the block version number to be able to roll one or more bits prior to the first sha256 hash so any such blocks (gained from using 'asic-boost') will be able to be seen with unusual block version numbers.

If you want to read up on other's 'opinions' of it then look back the last 2 pages and read the links ...

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Quote from: ComputerGenie on April 06, 2017, 03:26:21 PM

Pure speculation that the 2 are related.

not pure speculation...
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/mining-manufacturer-blocking-segwit-benefit-asicboost/

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The use of ASICBOOST could also explain why Bitmain’s main pool, AntPool, mined blocks roughly 100KB smaller than other mining pools of a comparative size during the month of February.
An unnamed source familiar with the matter told Bitcoin Magazine that the technique is easier to pull off when empty or nearly empty blocks are mined.

the funny thing...YOU as a miner were exploited at the minimum, yet...

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Quote from: Biodom on April 06, 2017, 03:04:27 PM

Quote from: tournamentdan on April 06, 2017, 01:36:30 PM

I can testify that the hash rate of any s9 does not change from pool to pool.

For those that do not know what asic boost is .
https://blog.bitmain.com/en/regarding-recent-allegations-smear-campaigns/

you are not a Bitmain insider, are you? if not, it is irrelevant.
1. the method is covert and will work on the behest of "real" owners IF they choose to activate it.
Did they do it? I don't know. They say that they did not as of yet, but somehow Antpool mines abnormal numbers of empty blocks, which is consistent with this feature being active.
2. this pool owner has almost an irrefutable claim that v1 S9 has 25-30% less luck that it should have based on th. Explain this.
3. the blog post that you quoted sounds like a threat on many levels and should be treated as such.
4. [c]overt method cannot be detected in theory, but they DO have it on the chip. Denying using it, while having it stretched credulity, especially since they are often mining empty blocks, which is a telltale sign of DEPLOYMENT.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/63us6q/official_response_from_bitmain_regarding_recent/

My apologies. I meant to say "any of my s9". After all. I can only speak for myself.

And regarding everything else you have said.
I knew getting into bitcoin that I would have to deal with a lot of conspiracy theories. But dam this shit is getting deep.

I myself do not like a monopoly. Which is why I am starting to hate bitfury for not selling their miners to the public.

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Quote from: Biodom on April 06, 2017, 03:24:23 PM

Quote from: ComputerGenie on April 06, 2017, 03:15:22 PM

selling used equipment as new (Cheat #0)-multiple occasions prior
bitmain cheated on btc/$ conversion rate for months-plenty of evidence (Cheat#1)
low luck for S9 v1 on many pools. At the minimum a nonstandard stratum implementation, it could be unrelated or not (Cheat #2)
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I never said they weren't dog shit as a company, but fact and speculation aren't the same things.

Quote from: Biodom on April 06, 2017, 03:24:23 PM

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Covert/overt hardware implementation of asicboost resulting in mining an abnormal number of empty blocks ("because we are allowed to do so)-Plenty of evidence of empty blocks mining-(Cheat #3)...

Pure speculation that the 2 are related.

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Quote from: ComputerGenie on April 06, 2017, 03:15:22 PM

selling used equipment as new (Cheat #0)-multiple occasions prior
bitmain cheated on btc/$ conversion rate for months-plenty of evidence (Cheat#1)
low luck for S9 v1 on many pools. At the minimum a nonstandard stratum implementation, it could be unrelated or not (Cheat #2)
Covert/overt hardware implementation of asicboost resulting in mining an abnormal number of empty blocks ("because we are allowed to do so")-Plenty of evidence of empty blocks mining-(Cheat #3)

Once a cheat, ALWAYS a cheat.

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Quote from: Biodom on April 06, 2017, 03:04:27 PM

...you are not a Bitmain insider, are you? if not, it is irrelevant.
1. the method is covert and will work on the behest of "real" owners IF they choose to activate it.
Did they do it? I don't know. They say that they did not as of yet, but somehow Antpool mines abnormal numbers of empty blocks, which is consistent with this feature being active.
2. this pool owner has almost an irrefutable claim that v1 S9 has 25-30% less luck that it should have based on th. Explain this.

You're right it's absolutely irrelevant to post the direct refutation from the accused; it's much better to continue on with innuendo and speculation.

RE: 1.
You can't dismiss and call a multi-page document, from the company in question, discussing the topic "irrelevant" and then claim that it's a covert action; because, logic.
The "owners" also benefit from selling it to other pools (whether those pools activate it or not); that's how patents work.

RE: 2.
You're conflating 2 distinctly separate issues (unless you have provable knowledge/documentation that the 2 are linked, in which case you'd need to post such evidence [that asicboost and luck are factually linked] to support your insinuation). It's purely unfounded supposition that v1 bad luck is linked to asicboost.

RE: Edit 3. 4. and whatever next...
Let us know when you're done editing.....

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Quote from: tournamentdan on April 06, 2017, 01:36:30 PM

I can testify that the hash rate of any s9 does not change from pool to pool.

For those that do not know what asic boost is .
https://blog.bitmain.com/en/regarding-recent-allegations-smear-campaigns/

you are not a Bitmain insider, are you? if not, it is irrelevant.
1. the method is covert and will work on the behest of "real" owners IF they choose to activate it.
Did they do it? I don't know. They say that they did not as of yet, but somehow Antpool mines abnormal numbers of empty blocks, which is consistent with this feature being active.
2. this pool owner has almost an irrefutable claim that v1 S9 has 25-30% less luck that it should have based on th. Explain this.
3. the blog post that you quoted sounds like a threat on many levels and should be treated as such.
4. [c]overt method cannot be detected in theory, but they DO have it on the chip. Denying using it, while having it stretched credulity, especially since they are often mining empty blocks, which is a telltale sign of DEPLOYMENT.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/63us6q/official_response_from_bitmain_regarding_recent/

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Quote from: firetreeactual on April 06, 2017, 01:49:47 PM

Quote from: smutboy420 on April 06, 2017, 01:39:07 PM

Quote from: firetreeactual on April 06, 2017, 10:43:06 AM

Goin' for that ignore button again...I gave up dealing with personality disorders when I retired... Kiss

EDIT: But...in other news...nice to have coffee and a block for breakfast. 30PH is nice.

So what industry did you used to work in that caused you to have to deal with personality disorders Huh

Mental health care or Government worker? Wink

All of the above. I've had several "careers," but the last (some 25 yrs worth) was behavioral science. Did 20 years of forensics, then 5 years developing coping plans, training the trainers, for autistic kids. That was the best of the 25, really. Cool

ah So i was sort of close. Very interesting. My girlfriend works in special ed. and a few different government jobs. Tho it seems most of her co workers were the ones with the biggest personality disorders then even the autistic kids she works with and lol at least most of them have an excuse for why they are the way they are. Tho the others not so much.

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Quote from: tournamentdan on April 06, 2017, 01:36:30 PM

I can testify that the hash rate of any s9 does not change from pool to pool.

For those that do not know what asic boost is .
https://blog.bitmain.com/en/regarding-recent-allegations-smear-campaigns/

Man, get out of here with all that facts stuff. Tongue

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Quote from: smutboy420 on April 06, 2017, 01:39:07 PM

Quote from: firetreeactual on April 06, 2017, 10:43:06 AM

Goin' for that ignore button again...I gave up dealing with personality disorders when I retired... Kiss

EDIT: But...in other news...nice to have coffee and a block for breakfast. 30PH is nice.

So what industry did you used to work in that caused you to have to deal with personality disorders Huh

Mental health care or Government worker? Wink

All of the above. I've had several "careers," but the last (some 25 yrs worth) was behavioral science. Did 20 years of forensics, then 5 years developing coping plans, training the trainers, for autistic kids. That was the best of the 25, really. Cool

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