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Quote from: Xircom on October 16, 2016, 11:38:58 AM

Hmmmm... could be he got a point there. Why not having payout once a day to keep the transaction fee down to a minimum ?

A major reason for me coming here was that we DON'T do that. Not enough transparency for me, methinks. That system was used at two previous (un-named) pools I worked with, and I could never quite reconcile the rewards accurately...not that I thought there was chicanery...but if there was, it would be a lot more difficult to find in a "hold and pay" arrangement like that.

EDIT: And, Kano sends zero-fee transactions as we confirm our own...so that would seem to be a moot point.

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Hmmmm... could be he got a point there. Why not having payout once a day to keep the transaction fee down to a minimum ?

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Quote from: wmabern on October 16, 2016, 11:20:53 AM

Quote from: citronick on October 16, 2016, 11:19:46 AM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on October 16, 2016, 11:15:49 AM

Quote from: ARXANGEL on October 16, 2016, 09:42:13 AM

I'm on pool many time and at once with low power find block on pplns, but don't know that Kano put a pig to all of us.
Very good, that blocks accepted without comissions by pool.
But how we can spend this bitcoins? I try to move 1btc, but transaction weight about 100kb, because so many inputs. It's the biggest comission.
I think it not more good as SPV mining with empty blocks. Blocks with synthetical rubbish - analog of empty blocks for network.
For miners pool Kano is pool with hide comission about 5-10% for use mining bitcoins by time.
Of course, if you power more big - this comission less, but for big money you need too less inputs.
Therefore people go out from pool, because china frends not so honest, but not do this harm to their miners and network at all.
Pool is vitally important minimal limit settings for output.

I think I understand this. So first of all, the pool does take a comission - 0.9% off the block reward. How can you spend the Bitcoin? High fees because of the Bitcoin network isn't Kano's fault, though it could help if there was an option to set a payout threshold. If your not in a rush to send funds, you can send a small fee transaction (0.002 BTC fees for 100kb maybe) and eventually it will be confirmed, when the network isn't as busy. Kano confirms all non free transactions, so eventually it should be confirmed. SPV mining is worse because it might create a large orphan chain, as they don't verify the transactions and normal mining will confirm mostly legitimite transactions. Combining lots of inputs happens quite a bit, and I wouldn't call it rubbish.

You can try mining to a wallet service that covers transaction fees for you, like coinbase. Just make sure not to keep too much BTC in there at a time.

makes sense....

Amusing that "Kano giving us pigs" comment.

I'd rather have chickens!!! Cheesy

after 29 hours..... I think we need the chicken brigade out now!

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Quote from: citronick on October 16, 2016, 11:19:46 AM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on October 16, 2016, 11:15:49 AM

Quote from: ARXANGEL on October 16, 2016, 09:42:13 AM

I'm on pool many time and at once with low power find block on pplns, but don't know that Kano put a pig to all of us.
Very good, that blocks accepted without comissions by pool.
But how we can spend this bitcoins? I try to move 1btc, but transaction weight about 100kb, because so many inputs. It's the biggest comission.
I think it not more good as SPV mining with empty blocks. Blocks with synthetical rubbish - analog of empty blocks for network.
For miners pool Kano is pool with hide comission about 5-10% for use mining bitcoins by time.
Of course, if you power more big - this comission less, but for big money you need too less inputs.
Therefore people go out from pool, because china frends not so honest, but not do this harm to their miners and network at all.
Pool is vitally important minimal limit settings for output.

I think I understand this. So first of all, the pool does take a comission - 0.9% off the block reward. How can you spend the Bitcoin? High fees because of the Bitcoin network isn't Kano's fault, though it could help if there was an option to set a payout threshold. If your not in a rush to send funds, you can send a small fee transaction (0.002 BTC fees for 100kb maybe) and eventually it will be confirmed, when the network isn't as busy. Kano confirms all non free transactions, so eventually it should be confirmed. SPV mining is worse because it might create a large orphan chain, as they don't verify the transactions and normal mining will confirm mostly legitimite transactions. Combining lots of inputs happens quite a bit, and I wouldn't call it rubbish.

You can try mining to a wallet service that covers transaction fees for you, like coinbase. Just make sure not to keep too much BTC in there at a time.

makes sense....

Amusing that "Kano giving us pigs" comment.

I'd rather have chickens!!! Cheesy

citronick

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on October 16, 2016, 11:15:49 AM

Quote from: ARXANGEL on October 16, 2016, 09:42:13 AM

I'm on pool many time and at once with low power find block on pplns, but don't know that Kano put a pig to all of us.
Very good, that blocks accepted without comissions by pool.
But how we can spend this bitcoins? I try to move 1btc, but transaction weight about 100kb, because so many inputs. It's the biggest comission.
I think it not more good as SPV mining with empty blocks. Blocks with synthetical rubbish - analog of empty blocks for network.
For miners pool Kano is pool with hide comission about 5-10% for use mining bitcoins by time.
Of course, if you power more big - this comission less, but for big money you need too less inputs.
Therefore people go out from pool, because china frends not so honest, but not do this harm to their miners and network at all.
Pool is vitally important minimal limit settings for output.

I think I understand this. So first of all, the pool does take a comission - 0.9% off the block reward. How can you spend the Bitcoin? High fees because of the Bitcoin network isn't Kano's fault, though it could help if there was an option to set a payout threshold. If your not in a rush to send funds, you can send a small fee transaction (0.002 BTC fees for 100kb maybe) and eventually it will be confirmed, when the network isn't as busy. Kano confirms all non free transactions, so eventually it should be confirmed. SPV mining is worse because it might create a large orphan chain, as they don't verify the transactions and normal mining will confirm mostly legitimite transactions. Combining lots of inputs happens quite a bit, and I wouldn't call it rubbish.

You can try mining to a wallet service that covers transaction fees for you, like coinbase. Just make sure not to keep too much BTC in there at a time.

makes sense....

Amusing that "Kano giving us pigs" comment.

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Quote from: ARXANGEL on October 16, 2016, 09:42:13 AM

I'm on pool many time and at once with low power find block on pplns, but don't know that Kano put a pig to all of us.
Very good, that blocks accepted without comissions by pool.
But how we can spend this bitcoins? I try to move 1btc, but transaction weight about 100kb, because so many inputs. It's the biggest comission.
I think it not more good as SPV mining with empty blocks. Blocks with synthetical rubbish - analog of empty blocks for network.
For miners pool Kano is pool with hide comission about 5-10% for use mining bitcoins by time.
Of course, if you power more big - this comission less, but for big money you need too less inputs.
Therefore people go out from pool, because china frends not so honest, but not do this harm to their miners and network at all.
Pool is vitally important minimal limit settings for output.

I think I understand this. So first of all, the pool does take a comission - 0.9% off the block reward. How can you spend the Bitcoin? High fees because of the Bitcoin network isn't Kano's fault, though it could help if there was an option to set a payout threshold. If your not in a rush to send funds, you can send a small fee transaction (0.002 BTC fees for 100kb maybe) and eventually it will be confirmed, when the network isn't as busy. Kano confirms all non free transactions, so eventually it should be confirmed. SPV mining is worse because it might create a large orphan chain, as they don't verify the transactions and normal mining will confirm mostly legitimite transactions. Combining lots of inputs happens quite a bit, and I wouldn't call it rubbish.

You can try mining to a wallet service that covers transaction fees for you, like coinbase. Just make sure not to keep too much BTC in there at a time.

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Quote from: wmabern on October 16, 2016, 10:16:34 AM

"Weir" everywhere! Grin

I make a lot of my own foodstuffs...bread, luncheon meat, bacon, dehydrating, etc... and I make my own super-premium ice cream. My favorite is a French vanilla/coffee infused sort that I proudly call "MIckey's Mocha." Grin

BTW...glad the rain bands didn't do you in. I've got friends down on the SE coast that weren't so lucky...but they'll be OK. Not the first time, and surely won't be the last.

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Quote from: firetreeactual on October 16, 2016, 10:13:08 AM

Quote from: wmabern on October 16, 2016, 07:56:08 AM

Quote from: Xircom on October 16, 2016, 02:40:07 AM

And wmabern (The Purple Teddy Bear) is back. Nice to see you again Grin

LOL. I saw your post on the last page but didn't relate it to me.

I haven't gone anywhere and have been here the whole time. Except on the day when Hurricane Mathew's rain bands were hitting my house and I had to shut down and close my windows.

BTW, the bear is a Grateful Dead "Dancing Bear" and not a "teddy bear" Cheesy

. I'm a Dead Head from way back and saw my first Grateful Dead show in 1977! Grin

EDIT: I've got a tattoo of the same bear on my arm except he is carrying a rose.

OMG...I knew that about the bear, but wasn't gonna say anything...another DeadHead! ~~Mine~~ Rock on!

"Weir" everywhere! Grin

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Quote from: wmabern on October 16, 2016, 07:56:08 AM

Quote from: Xircom on October 16, 2016, 02:40:07 AM

And wmabern (The Purple Teddy Bear) is back. Nice to see you again Grin

LOL. I saw your post on the last page but didn't relate it to me.

I haven't gone anywhere and have been here the whole time. Except on the day when Hurricane Mathew's rain bands were hitting my house and I had to shut down and close my windows.

BTW, the bear is a Grateful Dead "Dancing Bear" and not a "teddy bear" Cheesy

. I'm a Dead Head from way back and saw my first Grateful Dead show in 1977! Grin

EDIT: I've got a tattoo of the same bear on my arm except he is carrying a rose.

OMG...I knew that about the bear, but wasn't gonna say anything...another DeadHead! ~~Mine~~ Rock on!

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Quote from: ARXANGEL on October 16, 2016, 09:42:13 AM

I'm on pool many time and at once with low power find block on pplns, but don't know that Kano put a pig to all of us.
Very good, that blocks accepted without comissions by pool.
But how we can spend this bitcoins? I try to move 1btc, but transaction weight about 100kb, because so many inputs. It's the biggest comission.
I think it not more good as SPV mining with empty blocks. Blocks with synthetical rubbish - analog of empty blocks for network.
For miners pool Kano is pool with hide comission about 5-10% for use mining bitcoins by time.
Of course, if you power more big - this comission less, but for big money you need too less inputs.
Therefore people go out from pool, because china frends not so honest, but not do this harm to their miners and network at all.
Pool is vitally important minimal limit settings for output.

You should post your question or statement in your native language and let one of our multi-lingual members translate for you. I do not understand your post.

citronick

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Quote from: kano on October 15, 2016, 08:40:59 PM

Thanks to the person who pointed 1PH at my Kano account for a while (~1.6G accepted diff)
Much appreciated

Hope we get some more 1PH visits soon.... Huh

ZACHM

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I think Google translate may have missed a few things in that one.
Not really sure what is going on. Huh

Anyone going to try and decipher that?

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I'm on pool many time and at once with low power find block on pplns, but don't know that Kano put a pig to all of us.
Very good, that blocks accepted without comissions by pool.
But how we can spend this bitcoins? I try to move 1btc, but transaction weight about 100kb, because so many inputs. It's the biggest comission.
I think it not more good as SPV mining with empty blocks. Blocks with synthetical rubbish - analog of empty blocks for network.
For miners pool Kano is pool with hide comission about 5-10% for use mining bitcoins by time.
Of course, if you power more big - this comission less, but for big money you need less inputs too.
Therefore people go out from pool, because china frends not so honest, but not do this harm to their miners and network at all.
Pool is vitally important minimal limit settings for output.

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Quote from: Xircom on October 16, 2016, 02:40:07 AM

And wmabern (The Purple Teddy Bear) is back. Nice to see you again Grin

LOL. I saw your post on the last page but didn't relate it to me.

I haven't gone anywhere and have been here the whole time. Except on the day when Hurricane Mathew's rain bands were hitting my house and I had to shut down and close my windows.

BTW, the bear is a Grateful Dead "Dancing Bear" and not a "teddy bear" Cheesy

. I'm a Dead Head from way back and saw my first Grateful Dead show in 1977! Grin

EDIT: I've got a tattoo of the same bear on my arm except he is carrying a rose.

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In case anyone noticed ... CKDB is restarting at the moment and should be finished restarting shortly.
There's a locking bug in the new code, I'll fix it shortly, it reports in detail what the problem is.
CKDB will be back up in a few minutes.
No miners were affected.

CKDB auto restart completed.
It identified the lock problem at 10:57:38 UTC and exited at 10:58:39 UTC
Restart completed at 11:06:17 UTC (~8.5mins - it was a full hour reload)

OK I've updated the code with the necessary fix.
I'll restart CKDB right now, since it's a specific web access that causes it and probably only one person has done it since the last restart.
The restart will be fast also since the last shift ended 1 minute after the hour.
Restarting ...

CKDB restart completed - bug update applied.
Restart was from 11:45:04 UTC to 11:52:11 UTC (~7mins)
As per normal, no miners were affected.

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And wmabern (The Purple Teddy Bear) is back. Nice to see you again Grin

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Quote from: wobbzz on October 15, 2016, 09:27:35 PM

...
Thanks Kano. I remember and appreciate your input back in August, however my concern is not entirely that my miner will completely stop. It's that I'll be operating in a reduced capacity for some time and not realize it. This is why I check the hash rate, and not the time since last share. It's my understanding that even if one blade of my miner goes down, I'm still operating at 66% capacity and will be submitting shares. Would time since last share field still be a good indicator in this situation?

Nope, in that case it wont help you with any certainty.

The pool adjusts the share rate to be 18 SPM, so the share diff changing by a large amount would be one way to identify it.
However, I'm not sure how quickly that changes, and it also has to be over a certain % before ckpool will change it.

The real issue though is that you can't tell, conclusively from the shares submitted, that a miner hash rate has dropped, for quite a while after the event.
The board failing would be known to cgminer, but that also depends on what Bitmain has is their API answers.

I guess the problem here is buying unreliable hardware and trying to make it less unreliable ...
Maybe Bitmain should consider making reliable hardware, with something like 100Million$ they make each year ...

The pool hash rate is based upon shares, so you can only detect a partial failure based on a slow to determine hash rate.
Monitoring the cgminer API, assuming Bitmain has made the appropriate information available, is your only way to identify that quickly.

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Quote from: kano on October 15, 2016, 07:15:07 PM

I'll add a reminder about that also from another recent post.

The number that matters about polling the API to see if a miner is OK, is the time since last share accepted "w_lastshareacc:N"

Here's the first worker from my API call

Code:

{"STAMP":"1476575097","rows":"10",
"workername:0":"Kano.A6","difficultydefault:0":"0","w_hashrate5m:0":"3178848226102.965820",
"w_hashrate1hr:0":"3113510633059.657227","w_hashrate24hr:0":"2147570918610.853516",
"w_elapsed:0":"2039775","w_lastshare:0":"1476575092","w_lastshareacc:0":"1476575092",
"w_lastdiff:0":"2496.000000","w_diffacc:0":"33527438.000000","w_diffinv:0":"113794.000000",
"w_diffsta:0":"112752.000000","w_diffdup:0":"1042.000000","w_diffhi:0":"0.000000",
"w_diffrej:0":"0.000000","w_shareacc:0":"13441.000000","w_shareinv:0":"46.000000",
"w_sharesta:0":"45.000000","w_sharedup:0":"1.000000","w_sharehi:0":"0.000000",
"w_sharerej:0":"0.000000","w_active_diffacc:0":"199680.000000","w_active_start:0":"1476574811","w_instances:0":"1",
...

For any single miner, 60 seconds since last share would be the time to send an alert.
So in the above when "STAMP":"1476575097" - "w_lastshareacc:0":"1476575092" is >= 60

For a single miner, 30s is expected to happen, on average, 3 times a day.
60s is expected to happen, on average, about once every 7 years per miner.

See more details here: (and why you may want to use 120s)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15998156

Edit: notice that there are 2 fields "w_lastshareacc:N" and "w_lastshare:N"
The "w_lastshareacc:N" field is the important one, since if your miner goes into convulsions and starts sending unacceptable shares, the other field will still update.

Thanks Kano. I remember and appreciate your input back in August, however my concern is not entirely that my miner will completely stop. It's that I'll be operating in a reduced capacity for some time and not realize it. This is why I check the hash rate, and not the time since last share. It's my understanding that even if one blade of my miner goes down, I'm still operating at 66% capacity and will be submitting shares. Would time since last share field still be a good indicator in this situation?

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Thanks to the person who pointed 1PH at my Kano account for a while (~1.6G accepted diff)
Much appreciated

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