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No it isn't.
His fee is higher and his long term luck is lower ...........

You really have to keep up if you are going to insist on being pig-headed .... there's no fee on slush.

Quote from: pekatete on August 04, 2015, 05:01:54 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12047491

It is true, merged mining NMC and no fee at slush since the start of this month (see their facebook page as they don't post in this forum much anymore). Thus, you are wrong, again.

Thus his official terms of service on his web site are wrong ... or you are wrong.
Maybe slush should keep it up to date ... if he has time to and can afford to?
I've no idea which, but I obviously have no want or desire to have an account on slush or follow crap on facedesk.
Since his official terms of service say he is charging you 2% ...
https://mining.bitcoin.cz/terms-of-service
then who knows ...

If you are correct and slush is wrong, then I'd be more worried about the fact that he effectively has no income supporting his pool according to your statement ... and we are heading for another BAN ... if he is forever charging no fees to anyone ever again.
Though of course your 0% fees since 1-Aug you are talking about, is less than 4 days of mining since however long way back when he finally dropped his fees to 2% ... and finishes when? Tongue

We digress, but yes, I am right and the info on the TOS is outdated, but more pertinent, you are wrong (as indeed anyone can be).
If you insist on sticking your head in the sand (even give the impression of doing so), thats your prerogative. Fact is, even before the demise of the fee on slush, actual payouts were better than kano.is expected (and actual) payouts.

Now that the fees on slush have been dropped AND merged mining NMC introduced, I am as sure as can be that payouts at slush will confortably exceed whatever kano.is can expect to payout, even with the supposed better luck that you claim for kano.is;

Your concerns as to how slush gets on without income are purely for anecdotal value as being the pioneer pool, I am confident they can get their numbers right.

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Quote from: kano on August 04, 2015, 04:45:48 AM

Quote from: pekatete on August 04, 2015, 03:43:41 AM

No it isn't.
His fee is higher and his long term luck is lower ...........

You really have to keep up if you are going to insist on being pig-headed .... there's no fee on slush.

Quote from: kano on August 04, 2015, 04:45:48 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12047491

It is true, merged mining NMC and no fee at slush since the start of this month (see their facebook page as they don't post in this forum much anymore). Thus, you are wrong, again.

Thus his official terms of service on his web site are wrong ... or you are wrong.
Maybe slush should keep it up to date ... if he has time to and can afford to?
I've no idea which, but I obviously have no want or desire to have an account on slush or follow crap on facedesk.
Since his official terms of service say he is charging you 2% ...
https://mining.bitcoin.cz/terms-of-service
then who knows ...

If you are correct and slush is wrong, then I'd be more worried about the fact that he effectively has no income supporting his pool according to your statement ... and we are heading for another BAN ... if he is forever charging no fees to anyone ever again.
Though of course your 0% fees since 1-Aug you are talking about, is less than 4 days of mining since however long way back when he finally dropped his fees to 2% ... and finishes when? Tongue

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Quote from: pekatete on August 04, 2015, 03:43:41 AM

No it isn't.
His fee is higher and his long term luck is lower ...........

You really have to keep up if you are going to insist on being pig-headed .... there's no fee on slush.

Quote from: pekatete on August 04, 2015, 03:43:41 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12047491

It is true, merged mining NMC and no fee at slush since the start of this month (see their facebook page as they don't post in this forum much anymore). Thus, you are wrong, again.

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No it isn't.
His fee is higher and his long term luck is lower ...........

You really have to keep up if you are going to insist on being pig-headed .... there's no fee on slush.

Quote from: tokingtoking on August 04, 2015, 04:38:12 AM

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i think he is talking about f2pool, or i missed something.

You did miss something. He's expressly talking about slush.

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Quote from: pekatete on August 04, 2015, 03:43:41 AM

No it isn't.
His fee is higher and his long term luck is lower ...........

You really have to keep up if you are going to insist on being pig-headed .... there's no fee on slush.

i think he is talking about f2pool, or i missed something.

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Quote from: Bink on August 04, 2015, 01:20:40 AM

No it isn't.
His fee is higher and his long term luck is lower ...........

You really have to keep up if you are going to insist on being pig-headed .... there's no fee on slush.

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Quote from: kano on August 04, 2015, 12:58:18 AM

Our first 'almost' block - but it wasn't good enough.

ckpool submits the share as a block if it is within a small amount of being a block just to be sure.
So it shows up on the web site, but alas not good enough.

share block was: 52123573961.901596
but current diff is: 52278304845.59168243

It will show up as an orphan, but I guess I need to label it as something else later since it's not an orphan.

I think there are bigger issues, I see the Pool is on the SAME Block as the NETWORK now!!!

Not sure what you mean there?

All workinfos that ckpool works on are from calling bitcoind getblocktemplate
(yeah GBT is pretty poorly written in bitcoind but we call it since it is the reference standard code)

At the time when our "368348 block" was found we were working on confirming block height 368347.
Since our bitcoind rejected our "368348 block", we continued to build on block height 368347 that was before ckpool submitted the rejected block - since there was no new block known anywhere.
When some other pool found 368348, we then switched to building on their new 368348 block as expected.

We don't do SPV mining and we don't build empty blocks as an excuse for having crap slow pool code.
We don't need to, our block change handling is probably one of the fastest of all pools on the network.

At no point during that time when ckpool submitted our rejected "368348 block" did any miner on the pool begin work on building on our rejected "368348 block"

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Quote from: kano on August 04, 2015, 12:58:18 AM

Our first 'almost' block - but it wasn't good enough.

ckpool submits the share as a block if it is within a small amount of being a block just to be sure.
So it shows up on the web site, but alas not good enough.

share block was: 52123573961.901596
but current diff is: 52278304845.59168243

It will show up as an orphan, but I guess I need to label it as something else later since it's not an orphan.

I think there are bigger issues, I see the Pool is on the SAME Block as the NETWORK now!!!

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Our first 'almost' block - but it wasn't good enough.

ckpool submits the share as a block if it is within a small amount of being a block just to be sure.
So it shows up on the web site, but alas not good enough.

share block was: 52123573961.901596
but current diff is: 52278304845.59168243

It will show up as an orphan, but I guess I need to label it as something else later since it's not an orphan.

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Quote from: PPOC on August 03, 2015, 10:55:50 PM

...
First off I don't use Slush anymore, I did several months back till I pointed my hash to Kano, but I did see that they dropped their 2% effective 8/1 and also started alt coin mining at the same time. But instead of giving you the alt coin, they instantly sell the alt coin and convert to BTC and add to miner rewards. Have no idea if that really makes a difference, but figured I'd chime in and make everyone aware.

Thanks,

https://mining.bitcoin.cz/terms-of-service
Still says 2%
(as does the wiki and the pools list here)

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Quote from: pekatete on August 03, 2015, 08:04:42 PM

Quote from: pekatete on August 03, 2015, 07:55:42 PM

Quote from: TheAnalogKid on August 02, 2015, 05:34:40 PM

I mined NMC with the "majority" because I had no choice....

Which places you firmly in the minority (akin to extremists in this forsaken landscape). Still, no skin off the majority's nostrils.

... well you missed one rather important point in my post:

F2Pool is 75% of the NMC mining and those mining there are averaging less payout than the expected average here.

... still sounds like a majority of fools to me.

You did miss that detail that I have NEVER mined at F2Pool then ... (as in no skin off my nose). Lets just say the "actual" average payout at slush is more than the "expected" average here. Now there.

No it isn't.
His fee is higher and his long term luck is lower ...........

First off I don't use Slush anymore, I did several months back till I pointed my hash to Kano, but I did see that they dropped their 2% effective 8/1 and also started alt coin mining at the same time. But instead of giving you the alt coin, they instantly sell the alt coin and convert to BTC and add to miner rewards. Have no idea if that really makes a difference, but figured I'd chime in and make everyone aware.

Thanks,

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'The right to privacy matters'

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Quote from: innerchaos on August 02, 2015, 02:47:26 PM

31 minutes since the network has solved a block... is that a long time or is it just me

Meh... they are all slow today

2 days ago I saw 57 minutes since the network solved a block, it was a period where about 70Ph fell off for a while, since the diff is based on network hash, then saw a large pool has issues and network looses 70ph, blocks can get quite long. I see that as an issue if say China lost all internet in a massive attack or natural disaster. Since more then 60% of all the hash is in China, we would be in deep dodo with blocks going days!

Maybe China should lose internet more often. Roll Eyes

They already have too much hash and could do with less. A big portion of the hash is there and it kinda feel like centralization to me.

I agree, less hash from China. But with the diff at 52+ it would take months if not years for the network diff if reduce enough to get 10 min block if 60-70 percent of the hash went away. The remaining miners would have to fork the chain to get back to 10m blocks in a reasonable time frame. My 2 cents

No, it would take to the next 2016 block re-adjustment to go down appropriately, at most two. If we lost 60% of the hash rate today, next week the diff would adjust downward significantly and the following 2016 block adjustment would finish it off.

you are correct if 1/2 the network crashed today the time needed would double. We are 4.5 days out so that would mean 9 days. Then the next one would be about 21 days

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For anyone mining as a username on the pool:
I've modified the Register and Settings pages to disallow hotmail

About 36 hours ago, email from my mail server got a "Service Unavailable" message when trying to send a message to someone with a hotmail account.
There's no information in the response as to why.
All messages to hotmail addresses since then have the same "Service Unavailable"
All previous messages went through OK
No other email adressess are having trouble

Once in the past (about 5 or 6 months ago) a person who uses my email server got a virus on their computer that sent out spam.
Once we'd sorted out the computer I then went and cleared all the spam blacklists (as is normal for how you deal with this)
hotmail had no option to clear such a block and was the only one that did not have a way to clear it.
The mail server log message back then actually implied that the block would not ever be cleared, but it did clear a day or 2 later.

I can only guess that something unexpected has triggered a block again and at this point I've decided to simply disallow hotmail
Use one of the good free email services instead

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Quote from: pekatete on August 03, 2015, 08:04:42 PM

Quote from: pekatete on August 03, 2015, 07:55:42 PM

Quote from: pekatete on August 03, 2015, 08:04:42 PM

I mined NMC with the "majority" because I had no choice....

Which places you firmly in the minority (akin to extremists in this forsaken landscape). Still, no skin off the majority's nostrils.

... well you missed one rather important point in my post:

F2Pool is 75% of the NMC mining and those mining there are averaging less payout than the expected average here.

... still sounds like a majority of fools to me.

You did miss that detail that I have NEVER mined at F2Pool then ... (as in no skin off my nose). Lets just say the "actual" average payout at slush is more than the "expected" average here. Now there.

No it isn't.
His fee is higher and his long term luck is lower ...........

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Go Big or Go Home.....

Quote from: pekatete on August 03, 2015, 07:55:42 PM

I mined NMC with the "majority" because I had no choice....

Which places you firmly in the minority (akin to extremists in this forsaken landscape). Still, no skin off the majority's nostrils.

... well you missed one rather important point in my post:

F2Pool is 75% of the NMC mining and those mining there are averaging less payout than the expected average here.

... still sounds like a majority of fools to me.

You did miss that detail that I have NEVER mined at F2Pool then ... (as in no skin off my nose). Lets just say the "actual" average payout at slush is more than the "expected" average here. Now there.

No it aint. Slush is pretty much always below averages even.

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Quote from: pekatete on August 03, 2015, 07:55:42 PM

Quote from: pekatete on August 03, 2015, 07:55:42 PM

I mined NMC with the "majority" because I had no choice....

Which places you firmly in the minority (akin to extremists in this forsaken landscape). Still, no skin off the majority's nostrils.

... well you missed one rather important point in my post:

F2Pool is 75% of the NMC mining and those mining there are averaging less payout than the expected average here.

... still sounds like a majority of fools to me.

You did miss that detail that I have NEVER mined at F2Pool then ... (as in no skin off my nose). Lets just say the "actual" average payout at slush is more than the "expected" average here. Now there.

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I mined NMC with the "majority" because I had no choice....

Which places you firmly in the minority (akin to extremists in this forsaken landscape). Still, no skin off the majority's nostrils.

... well you missed one rather important point in my post:

F2Pool is 75% of the NMC mining and those mining there are averaging less payout than the expected average here.

... still sounds like a majority of fools to me.

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