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Topic: KanoPool kano.is lowest 0.9% fee 🐈 since 2014 - Worldwide - 2432 blocks - page 2036. (Read 5352086 times)

hero member
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No it isn't.
His fee is higher and his long term luck is lower ...........
You really have to keep up if you are going to insist on being pig-headed .... there's no fee on slush.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12047804
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12047491

It is true, merged mining NMC and no fee at slush since the start of this month (see their facebook page as they don't post in this forum much anymore). Thus, you are wrong, again.
legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
No it isn't.
His fee is higher and his long term luck is lower ...........
You really have to keep up if you are going to insist on being pig-headed .... there's no fee on slush.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12047804
hero member
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i think he is talking about f2pool, or i missed something.
You did miss something. He's expressly talking about slush.
full member
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No it isn't.
His fee is higher and his long term luck is lower ...........
You really have to keep up if you are going to insist on being pig-headed .... there's no fee on slush.

i think he is talking about f2pool, or i missed something.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
No it isn't.
His fee is higher and his long term luck is lower ...........
You really have to keep up if you are going to insist on being pig-headed .... there's no fee on slush.
legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
Our first 'almost' block - but it wasn't good enough.

ckpool submits the share as a block if it is within a small amount of being a block just to be sure.
So it shows up on the web site, but alas not good enough.

share block was: 52123573961.901596
but current diff is: 52278304845.59168243

It will show up as an orphan, but I guess I need to label it as something else later since it's not an orphan.

I think there are bigger issues, I see the Pool is on the SAME Block as the NETWORK now!!!
Not sure what you mean there?

All workinfos that ckpool works on are from calling bitcoind getblocktemplate
(yeah GBT is pretty poorly written in bitcoind but we call it since it is the reference standard code)

At the time when our "368348 block" was found we were working on confirming block height 368347.
Since our bitcoind rejected our "368348 block", we continued to build on block height 368347 that was before ckpool submitted the rejected block - since there was no new block known anywhere.
When some other pool found 368348, we then switched to building on their new 368348 block as expected.

We don't do SPV mining and we don't build empty blocks as an excuse for having crap slow pool code.
We don't need to, our block change handling is probably one of the fastest of all pools on the network.

At no point during that time when ckpool submitted our rejected "368348 block" did any miner on the pool begin work on building on our rejected "368348 block"
newbie
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Our first 'almost' block - but it wasn't good enough.

ckpool submits the share as a block if it is within a small amount of being a block just to be sure.
So it shows up on the web site, but alas not good enough.

share block was: 52123573961.901596
but current diff is: 52278304845.59168243

It will show up as an orphan, but I guess I need to label it as something else later since it's not an orphan.

I think there are bigger issues, I see the Pool is on the SAME Block as the NETWORK now!!!
legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
Our first 'almost' block - but it wasn't good enough.

ckpool submits the share as a block if it is within a small amount of being a block just to be sure.
So it shows up on the web site, but alas not good enough.

share block was: 52123573961.901596
but current diff is: 52278304845.59168243

It will show up as an orphan, but I guess I need to label it as something else later since it's not an orphan.
legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
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First off I don't use Slush anymore, I did several months back till I pointed my hash to Kano, but I did see that they dropped their 2% effective 8/1 and also started alt coin mining at the same time. But instead of giving you the alt coin, they instantly sell the alt coin and convert to BTC and add to miner rewards. Have no idea if that really makes a difference, but figured I'd chime in and make everyone aware.

Thanks,
https://mining.bitcoin.cz/terms-of-service
Still says 2%
(as does the wiki and the pools list here)
hero member
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I mined NMC with the "majority" because I had no choice....

Which places you firmly in the minority (akin to extremists in this forsaken landscape). Still, no skin off the majority's nostrils.
... well you missed one rather important point in my post:

F2Pool is 75% of the NMC mining and those mining there are averaging less payout than the expected average here.

... still sounds like a majority of fools to me.

You did miss that detail that I have NEVER mined at F2Pool then ... (as in no skin off my nose). Lets just say the "actual" average payout at slush is more than the "expected" average here. Now there.
No it isn't.
His fee is higher and his long term luck is lower ...........

First off I don't use Slush anymore, I did several months back till I pointed my hash to Kano, but I did see that they dropped their 2% effective 8/1 and also started alt coin mining at the same time. But instead of giving you the alt coin, they instantly sell the alt coin and convert to BTC and add to miner rewards. Have no idea if that really makes a difference, but figured I'd chime in and make everyone aware.

Thanks,
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
31 minutes since the network has solved a block... is that a long time or is it just me

Meh... they are all slow today

2 days ago I saw 57 minutes since the network solved a block, it was a period where about 70Ph fell off for a while, since the diff is based on network hash, then saw a large pool has issues and network looses 70ph, blocks can get quite long. I see that as an issue if say China lost all internet in a massive attack or natural disaster. Since more then 60% of all the hash is in China, we would be in deep dodo with blocks going days!

Maybe China should lose internet more often.  Roll Eyes

They already have too much hash and could do with less. A big portion of the hash is there and it kinda feel like centralization to me.

I agree, less hash from China. But with the diff at 52+ it would take months if not years for the network diff if reduce enough to get 10 min block if 60-70 percent of the hash went away. The remaining miners would have to fork the chain to get back to 10m blocks in a reasonable time frame. My 2 cents
No, it would take to the next 2016 block re-adjustment to go down appropriately, at most two.  If we lost 60% of the hash rate today, next week the diff would adjust downward significantly and the following 2016 block adjustment would finish it off.
you are correct if 1/2 the network crashed today the time needed would double. We are 4.5 days out so that would mean 9 days. Then the next one would be about 21 days
legendary
Activity: 4592
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
For anyone mining as a username on the pool:
I've modified the Register and Settings pages to disallow hotmail

About 36 hours ago, email from my mail server got a "Service Unavailable" message when trying to send a message to someone with a hotmail account.
There's no information in the response as to why.
All messages to hotmail addresses since then have the same "Service Unavailable"
All previous messages went through OK
No other email adressess are having trouble

Once in the past (about 5 or 6 months ago) a person who uses my email server got a virus on their computer that sent out spam.
Once we'd sorted out the computer I then went and cleared all the spam blacklists (as is normal for how you deal with this)
hotmail had no option to clear such a block and was the only one that did not have a way to clear it.
The mail server log message back then actually implied that the block would not ever be cleared, but it did clear a day or 2 later.

I can only guess that something unexpected has triggered a block again and at this point I've decided to simply disallow hotmail
Use one of the good free email services instead Smiley
legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
I mined NMC with the "majority" because I had no choice....

Which places you firmly in the minority (akin to extremists in this forsaken landscape). Still, no skin off the majority's nostrils.
... well you missed one rather important point in my post:

F2Pool is 75% of the NMC mining and those mining there are averaging less payout than the expected average here.

... still sounds like a majority of fools to me.

You did miss that detail that I have NEVER mined at F2Pool then ... (as in no skin off my nose). Lets just say the "actual" average payout at slush is more than the "expected" average here. Now there.
No it isn't.
His fee is higher and his long term luck is lower ...........
legendary
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Go Big or Go Home.....
I mined NMC with the "majority" because I had no choice....

Which places you firmly in the minority (akin to extremists in this forsaken landscape). Still, no skin off the majority's nostrils.
... well you missed one rather important point in my post:

F2Pool is 75% of the NMC mining and those mining there are averaging less payout than the expected average here.

... still sounds like a majority of fools to me.

You did miss that detail that I have NEVER mined at F2Pool then ... (as in no skin off my nose). Lets just say the "actual" average payout at slush is more than the "expected" average here. Now there.

No it aint. Slush is pretty much always below averages even.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
I mined NMC with the "majority" because I had no choice....

Which places you firmly in the minority (akin to extremists in this forsaken landscape). Still, no skin off the majority's nostrils.
... well you missed one rather important point in my post:

F2Pool is 75% of the NMC mining and those mining there are averaging less payout than the expected average here.

... still sounds like a majority of fools to me.

You did miss that detail that I have NEVER mined at F2Pool then ... (as in no skin off my nose). Lets just say the "actual" average payout at slush is more than the "expected" average here. Now there.
legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
I mined NMC with the "majority" because I had no choice....

Which places you firmly in the minority (akin to extremists in this forsaken landscape). Still, no skin off the majority's nostrils.
... well you missed one rather important point in my post:

F2Pool is 75% of the NMC mining and those mining there are averaging less payout than the expected average here.

... still sounds like a majority of fools to me.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
I mined NMC with the "majority" because I had no choice....

Which places you firmly in the minority (akin to extremists in this forsaken coin-scape). Still, no skin off the majority's nostrils.
legendary
Activity: 3583
Merit: 1094
Think for yourself
denigrating what the majority of people mining BTC consider good value, but I'll leave you to your own devices.

I mined NMC with the "majority" because I had no choice, NOT because I thought it was a good value.  It's good to finally have a choice to not mine worthless alts.

Thanks for that Kano!
hero member
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I've actually never mined at F2Pool, but certainly have mined here, slush and GHash (however, there are choices galore!).
BTC is not a religion for you to froth at the mouth while denigrating what the majority of people mining BTC consider good value, but I'll leave you to your own devices.
legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
F2Pool risks SPV mining purely for profit and mines empty blocks, and does not care what effect that has on BTC, and has absolute control over an alt-coin ... wow gotta love the scams in the alt-coin world ... which is why this pool will not merge mine alt-coins.

Hopefully the value of NMC vs BTC will fall to zero once the fools who consider it has value, open their eyes and realise it has none ... and the coin will die.

It may indeed be that F2Pool risks SPV mining purely for their selfish short term profitability aim, but calling the people who consider NMC valuable fools, is ill advised, as they are the very same kind of people that will mine at your pool, for the universally simple aim of making a profit on their mining "operation". If, as we stand, NMC tops up that profitability then why not? If it ever looses value, then that bridge will be crossed then, but that little profit earned now will be banked (akin to the proverbial make hay while the sun shines!).

And last I checked, there were a lot more people (both in individual numbers and hash-speed) choosing to mine BTC with alt-coin at other pools (even slush offers NMC now!) than kano.is, so that's telling ......

Then don't mine here. I have no issue with that at all.
I still do call those who think NMC valuable, fools.

Almost none of them are mining NMC.
They get NMC because they are under the delusion that it is free to mine since you get free NMC merge mining on BTC.
I've posted about that in detail before.

I've yet to see anywhere else in the world where people value what is given to them for free, even if they don't want it.
Alt-coins are simply the ignorance of most people to see that they are scams.
Personally I've no interest at all in supporting scams even if I make a profit doing it.
True a lot of people care not how they get their money, and who loses out because of it, but I don't fall in that category and neither does my pool.

If you don't like that, then don't mine here where you are expected to get paid more than mining at F2Pool that does merged mining of NMC and currenlty is a 75% (i.e. 51% + 24% more) attack on NMC Smiley

I also don't care to support merge mining since it clearly shows that the merged coins have no value at all.
Yes they may have exchange value due to people's pushing that they have value and those wanting them, clearly interested in getting them to sell them immediately ... to avoid the day when they have no value ... but where does that value come from? Nowhere but leverage off merged mining BTC.
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